There's going to be a Pentax J Limited online event soon

Flubber · 09-07-2020, 06:45 AM

I'm 32 and I prefer OVF to EVF. Old school is still cool, so no worries!

reh321 · 09-07-2020, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by Flubber

Old school is still cool, so no worries!

I'm not so sure.
When we toured Lafitte National Park near New Orleans, a guy on the tour took a burst of three or four shots for every shot I took.
Most were of things not moving - or moving slowly, like alligators - so I couldn't see a film photographer wasting film like that, and he is not unusual in my experience.

**Serkevan** · 09-07-2020, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by Not a Number

I'm interested in what body that is in the photo. Not a KP, K-1ii, or K-70.

Not as it is, no. AFAIK no DSLR has a recessed X-Sync port (that's the one, right?). It's either a new camera or a pretty comprehensive mod of an existing one (which means either the K-1 or the 645Z, nothing else makes sense IMO).

tvdtvdtvd · 09-07-2020, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by house

1%er refers to motorcycle gangs like Hells Angels... They self identified as 1%ers after the main US motorcycle organisation published a statement that motorcyclists are good people except the 1% causing trouble. This has since expanded into custom culture (as in custom bikes and cars) and partially lost it's meaning. At least in Japan it seems. So my guess it now stands for custom mods with a tinge of rebel and connotations to custom bike culture.

Thanks for that clarification, that makes sense. Though there is an irony in that today the people purchasing OCC custom choppers and brand new shiny
Harley's straight from the factory are much more likely to be the 1% rich, (or better). Yes, the greasy, grubby fringe modders are still out there, but like tattoos,
custom bikes have more or less been adopted by the mainstream. I contend the image of the biker on the fringe of society is today more myth than reality,
which IMO makes the whole '1%er' doubly out of place as a branding image.

tvdtvdtvd · 09-07-2020, 07:47 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Serkevan

Not as it is, no. AFAIK no DSLR has a recessed X-Sync port (that's the one, right?). It's either a new camera or a pretty comprehensive mod of an existing one (which means either the K-1 or the 645Z, nothing else makes sense IMO).

At a guess, the K-New? J Limited version of the K-New would be the most logical thing to cross promote the launch of the new camera.

**Serkevan** · 09-07-2020, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd

Thanks for that clarification, that makes sense. Though there is an irony in that today the people purchasing OCC custom choppers and brand new shiny
Harley's straight from the factory are much more likely to be the 1% rich, (or better). Yes, the greasy, grubby fringe modders are still out there, but like tattoos,
custom bikes have more or less been adopted by the mainstream. I contend the image of the biker on the fringe of society is today more myth than reality,
which IMO makes the whole '1%er' doubly out of place as a branding image.

Japan has often tended to adopt whatever they think looks or sounds cool from Western cultures - I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't give it a lot of thought. If it's like the KP-J, then it's for their own market anyway so I doubt they took into account foreign sensitivities.

---------- Post added 09-07-20 at 07:50 AM ----------

Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd

At a guess, the K-New? J Limited version of the K-New would be the most logical thing to cross promote the launch of the new camera.

Possible, I guess? It would certainly be a higher impact decision, but it would also be a first to release two different "special" editions (Silver + J Limited) at launch... hmm. If Covid messed the release schedule and the K-New has been silently delayed from the intended timeframe, then it makes sense not to delay the (hypothetical) K-New J Limited just because.

reh321 · 09-07-2020, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by house

1%er refers to motorcycle gangs like Hells Angels... They self identified as 1%ers after the main US motorcycle organisation published a statement that motorcyclists are good people except the 1% causing trouble.

When I have heard the expression "1%'s" in the US it has been used in a context that would be largely unacceptable here - it is a political reference to the people who have "too much wealth", so they can to afford to 'drop' a few thousand on a 'trinket' such as a fancy camera that is produced in limited quantities.

**Fontan** · 09-07-2020, 07:54 AM

Knew = KJ?

house · 09-07-2020, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd

Harley's straight from the factory are much more likely to be the 1% rich, (or better)

I very much doubt that people rich enought to be part of the top 1% buy Harley's. They are unlikely to be able to move freely *at all*. They are mindbogglingly rich at a scale completely beyond consumer products. By the way the guy who allegedly coined the phrase 99% and 1%, David Graeber, died recently.

reh321 · 09-07-2020, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by totsmuyco

To be honest, I like the original KP than the J. I like the look of a retro camera. I held one with the large grip and, it's not that bad to hold. I would even think that a large grip and a battery grip would give a good balance. Still, holding a K-5II and a K-3II is much much better.

I actually briefly considered a "KP J" at one time - but I already had a 'silver KP' and there was no functional reason to get one, even though I managed to crack the flash housing on mine and accidentally glued it down while using Gorilla Glue to 'stabilize' it.

sundown · 09-07-2020, 08:04 AM

Maybe the new crop body will be called J-1?

K (mount) for full frame and J (from Japan) for crop

Not a Number · 09-07-2020, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by sundown

Maybe the new crop body will be called J-1?

K (mount) for full frame and J (from Japan) for crop

I think Ricoh has established any camera they produce with a K mount will start with the letter K in the model name.

Let's not get into another round of speculation of what the name of the new crop body could be. We've covered that ground in other threads and many of the same old suggestions that came prior to the release of the yet unnamed K-1, K-70 and KP come up over and over again.

tvdtvdtvd · 09-07-2020, 08:14 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Fontan

Knew = KJ?

It would be a very big surprise if they took every aspect of the new camera down that rabbit hole. I think the "J" of J Limited is quite
independent of whatever the K-New will be called.

At this point I'm thinking the K-New may very likely >not< be a 'K' camera and may very likely have an all together new name. After all,
Pentax camera names are currently at a dead end. The only logical name for the K-New would be 'K-2'. That could be a possibility,
but it still leaves the problem to the next flagship. Might as well cut ties with the 'K' names and start anew.

reh321 · 09-07-2020, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd

It would be a very big surprise if they took every aspect of the new camera down that rabbit hole. I think the "J" of J Limited is quite
independent of whatever the K-New will be called.

At this point I'm thinking the K-New may very likely >not< be a 'K' camera and may very likely have an all together new name. After all,
Pentax camera names are currently at a dead end. The only logical name for the K-New would be 'K-2'. That could be a possibility,
but it still leaves the problem to the next flagship. Might as well cut ties with the 'K' names and start anew.

or use a name like "KR".

thibs · 09-07-2020, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd

It would be a very big surprise if they took every aspect of the new camera down that rabbit hole. I think the "J" of J Limited is quite
independent of whatever the K-New will be called.

At this point I'm thinking the K-New may very likely >not< be a 'K' camera and may very likely have an all together new name. After all,
Pentax camera names are currently at a dead end. The only logical name for the K-New would be 'K-2'. That could be a possibility,
but it still leaves the problem to the next flagship. Might as well cut ties with the 'K' names and start anew.

Usually there's not much logic there in their name choices so...

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09-07-2020, 06:45 AM	#16
Flubber Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 150	I'm 32 and I prefer OVF to EVF. Old school is still cool, so no worries!

09-07-2020, 07:30 AM	#17
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Flubber Old school is still cool, so no worries! I'm not so sure. When we toured Lafitte National Park near New Orleans, a guy on the tour took a burst of three or four shots for every shot I took. Most were of things not moving - or moving slowly, like alligators - so I couldn't see a film photographer wasting film like that, and he is not unusual in my experience.

09-07-2020, 07:39 AM	#18
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Not a Number I'm interested in what body that is in the photo. Not a KP, K-1ii, or K-70. Not as it is, no. AFAIK no DSLR has a recessed X-Sync port (that's the one, right?). It's either a new camera or a pretty comprehensive mod of an existing one (which means either the K-1 or the 645Z, nothing else makes sense IMO).

09-07-2020, 07:45 AM	#19
tvdtvdtvd Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,665	Originally posted by house 1%er refers to motorcycle gangs like Hells Angels... They self identified as 1%ers after the main US motorcycle organisation published a statement that motorcyclists are good people except the 1% causing trouble. This has since expanded into custom culture (as in custom bikes and cars) and partially lost it's meaning. At least in Japan it seems. So my guess it now stands for custom mods with a tinge of rebel and connotations to custom bike culture. Thanks for that clarification, that makes sense. Though there is an irony in that today the people purchasing OCC custom choppers and brand new shiny Harley's straight from the factory are much more likely to be the 1% rich, (or better). Yes, the greasy, grubby fringe modders are still out there, but like tattoos, custom bikes have more or less been adopted by the mainstream. I contend the image of the biker on the fringe of society is today more myth than reality, which IMO makes the whole '1%er' doubly out of place as a branding image.

09-07-2020, 07:47 AM - 1 Like	#20
tvdtvdtvd Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,665	Originally posted by Serkevan Not as it is, no. AFAIK no DSLR has a recessed X-Sync port (that's the one, right?). It's either a new camera or a pretty comprehensive mod of an existing one (which means either the K-1 or the 645Z, nothing else makes sense IMO). At a guess, the K-New? J Limited version of the K-New would be the most logical thing to cross promote the launch of the new camera.

09-07-2020, 07:48 AM	#21
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd Thanks for that clarification, that makes sense. Though there is an irony in that today the people purchasing OCC custom choppers and brand new shiny Harley's straight from the factory are much more likely to be the 1% rich, (or better). Yes, the greasy, grubby fringe modders are still out there, but like tattoos, custom bikes have more or less been adopted by the mainstream. I contend the image of the biker on the fringe of society is today more myth than reality, which IMO makes the whole '1%er' doubly out of place as a branding image. Japan has often tended to adopt whatever they think looks or sounds cool from Western cultures - I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't give it a lot of thought. If it's like the KP-J, then it's for their own market anyway so I doubt they took into account foreign sensitivities. ---------- Post added 09-07-20 at 07:50 AM ---------- Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd At a guess, the K-New? J Limited version of the K-New would be the most logical thing to cross promote the launch of the new camera. Possible, I guess? It would certainly be a higher impact decision, but it would also be a first to release two different "special" editions (Silver + J Limited) at launch... hmm. If Covid messed the release schedule and the K-New has been silently delayed from the intended timeframe, then it makes sense not to delay the (hypothetical) K-New J Limited just because.

09-07-2020, 07:51 AM	#22
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by house 1%er refers to motorcycle gangs like Hells Angels... They self identified as 1%ers after the main US motorcycle organisation published a statement that motorcyclists are good people except the 1% causing trouble. When I have heard the expression "1%'s" in the US it has been used in a context that would be largely unacceptable here - it is a political reference to the people who have "too much wealth", so they can to afford to 'drop' a few thousand on a 'trinket' such as a fancy camera that is produced in limited quantities.

09-07-2020, 07:54 AM	#23
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	Knew = KJ?

09-07-2020, 07:59 AM	#24
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd Harley's straight from the factory are much more likely to be the 1% rich, (or better) I very much doubt that people rich enought to be part of the top 1% buy Harley's. They are unlikely to be able to move freely at all. They are mindbogglingly rich at a scale completely beyond consumer products. By the way the guy who allegedly coined the phrase 99% and 1%, David Graeber, died recently.

09-07-2020, 08:03 AM	#25
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by totsmuyco To be honest, I like the original KP than the J. I like the look of a retro camera. I held one with the large grip and, it's not that bad to hold. I would even think that a large grip and a battery grip would give a good balance. Still, holding a K-5II and a K-3II is much much better. I actually briefly considered a "KP J" at one time - but I already had a 'silver KP' and there was no functional reason to get one, even though I managed to crack the flash housing on mine and accidentally glued it down while using Gorilla Glue to 'stabilize' it.

09-07-2020, 08:04 AM	#26
sundown Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 588	Maybe the new crop body will be called J-1? K (mount) for full frame and J (from Japan) for crop

09-07-2020, 08:13 AM	#27
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Originally posted by sundown Maybe the new crop body will be called J-1? K (mount) for full frame and J (from Japan) for crop I think Ricoh has established any camera they produce with a K mount will start with the letter K in the model name. Let's not get into another round of speculation of what the name of the new crop body could be. We've covered that ground in other threads and many of the same old suggestions that came prior to the release of the yet unnamed K-1, K-70 and KP come up over and over again.

09-07-2020, 08:14 AM - 1 Like	#28
tvdtvdtvd Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,665	Originally posted by Fontan Knew = KJ? It would be a very big surprise if they took every aspect of the new camera down that rabbit hole. I think the "J" of J Limited is quite independent of whatever the K-New will be called. At this point I'm thinking the K-New may very likely >not< be a 'K' camera and may very likely have an all together new name. After all, Pentax camera names are currently at a dead end. The only logical name for the K-New would be 'K-2'. That could be a possibility, but it still leaves the problem to the next flagship. Might as well cut ties with the 'K' names and start anew.

09-07-2020, 08:27 AM	#29
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd It would be a very big surprise if they took every aspect of the new camera down that rabbit hole. I think the "J" of J Limited is quite independent of whatever the K-New will be called. At this point I'm thinking the K-New may very likely >not< be a 'K' camera and may very likely have an all together new name. After all, Pentax camera names are currently at a dead end. The only logical name for the K-New would be 'K-2'. That could be a possibility, but it still leaves the problem to the next flagship. Might as well cut ties with the 'K' names and start anew. or use a name like "KR".

09-07-2020, 08:31 AM	#30
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd It would be a very big surprise if they took every aspect of the new camera down that rabbit hole. I think the "J" of J Limited is quite independent of whatever the K-New will be called. At this point I'm thinking the K-New may very likely >not< be a 'K' camera and may very likely have an all together new name. After all, Pentax camera names are currently at a dead end. The only logical name for the K-New would be 'K-2'. That could be a possibility, but it still leaves the problem to the next flagship. Might as well cut ties with the 'K' names and start anew. Usually there's not much logic there in their name choices so...