New K-New? Who Knew?

maw · 10-03-2020, 04:27 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

If Pentax is working on other stuff, I would bet that everything is "FF".

Rationally I would like to think about a new FF (after all it is well known that the FF and 645 lines will continue) rather than the video,

I don't know you and the other Pentaxians, how many videos have you made with Pentax, if I had to make videos I certainly wouldn't watch in Pentax house (if not at amateur level),
so it seems a bit unlikely.

Have you seen what Canon did? When cornered by Sony and the other sisters, accelerated the projects that had in the pipeline two machines that rightly or wrongly were praised and even criticized,
but the professionals remain on Canon's side. We make do with these rumors, which at least keep us awake and more motivated....

The Squirrel Mafia · 10-03-2020, 05:05 PM - **1 Like**

Maybe it's a KP II or K-90? That's if this rumor is actually true.

**ramseybuckeye** · 10-03-2020, 05:14 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

Not sure if there is any teeth to this one, but over on 'that other site'...

A second new dslr? Improved video functions?

Ricoh is rumored to be working on another Pentax APS-C DSLR camera - Pentax Rumors

It only makes sense if you look at the recent history. In the six years from 2013 through 2018 eight new DSLRs (six APS-C and two full frame) cameras were produced. You could add one more if you want to include the 645z. Each time they have created a new flagship with new features, some of those features have been used in other new cameras shortly after along with some other improvements. One way to get more return on your investments is to use them in multiple products, and attract different customers, look at the numbers of K-5s, K-30s, and K-50s that were sold, if it had only been the K-5, a lot of sales would have been lost. The covid situation may have an effect, but I certainly expect a couple of new cameras in the next year, probably one full frame.

sculptor666 · 10-03-2020, 05:25 PM - **1 Like**

the k-1 sensor is now two generations behind what sony is offering in ff, and 645 is a generation behind what fuji are offering in mf. no doubt they are working on some killer cameras, but two aspc releases close together? don't think so. can't wait, i'm sure they're going to be good.

totsmuyco · 10-03-2020, 05:32 PM - **3 Likes**

I don't really trust rumors unless it's a leak from Ricoh. But if it's true, I hope it's a KPII. I hope this model continues and will maintain its retro look.

Class A · 10-03-2020, 05:53 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Kunzite

My memory is vague...

I can help you.

It had something to do with a designer who aims to see his products in art galleries and museums rather than in the hands of users.

stevebrot · 10-03-2020, 05:57 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Class A

I can help you.

It had something to do with a designer who aims to see his products in art galleries and museums rather than in the hands of users.

Unless those users have LEGO hands.

Steve

Paul the Sunman · 10-03-2020, 07:10 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ramseybuckeye

Each time they have created a new flagship with new features, some of those features have been used in other new cameras shortly after along with some other improvements. One way to get more return on your investments is to use them in multiple products, and attract different customers, look at the numbers of K-5s, K-30s, and K-50s that were sold, if it had only been the K-5, a lot of sales would have been lost.

This makes sense, and I have been half-expecting it. Drip-feeding information about the APS-C flagship and keeping completely quiet about a lower level release also makes sense, to make a splash. The KP is nearly 4yo now, and the K-70 is 6 months older; either or both would no-doubt benefit from a refresh based on some of the improved tech from the K-new. This would also go a long way to appeasing the potential buyers not happy about the lack of an articulating screen on the K-new, and makes that choice more understandable. I suspect an accompanying FF update is some time off though, or else those stumping up for the new K-1II Silver may feel aggrieved.

Let's look at the history of ILC camera announcements from Pentax since 2010 (ignoring Q and 645 for the moment). It is not unusual for different-rung cameras to be released in close proximity, sporting the same generation of tech but different feature levels.

2010 Sep 9 K-r
2010 Sep 20 K-5

2012 Feb 2 K-01
2012 May 21 K-30
2012 Sep 10 K-5 II, K-5IIs

2013 Jun 12 K-500, K-50
2013 Oct 7 K-3

2014 Aug 27 K-S1

2015 Feb 9 K-S2
2015 Apr 22 K-3II

2016 Feb 17 K-1
2016 Jun 8 K-70

2017 Jan 25 KP

2018 Feb 21 K-1II

**FozzFoster** · 10-03-2020, 07:18 PM - **5 Likes**

Originally posted by Paul the Sunman

2010 Sep 9 K-r
2010 Sep 20 K-5

2012 Feb 2 K-01
2012 May 21 K-30
2012 Sep 10 K-5 II, K-5IIs

2013 Jun 12 K-500, K-50
2013 Oct 7 K-3

2014 Aug 27 K-S1

2015 Feb 9 K-S2
2015 Apr 22 K-3II

2016 Feb 17 K-1
2016 Jun 8 K-70

2017 Jan 25 KP

2018 Feb 21 K-1II

imo, it's too bad that 2019 wasn't met with more than a hotshoe cover.

**ramseybuckeye** · 10-03-2020, 08:15 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Paul the Sunman

This would also go a long way to appeasing the potential buyers not happy about the lack of an articulating screen on the K-new, and makes that choice more understandable.

I didn't say that because I didn't want to ruffle the feathers of those who don't think it is important. Since having the KP, I don't think I could buy a new camera without it, I really like to shoot from low vantage points. And video is certainly a big need for some people, as stated in another new post today.

Originally posted by FozzFoster

imo, it's too bad that 2019 wasn't met with more than a hotshoe cover.

LOL, That was a little weak for the anniversary year

maw · 10-03-2020, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by FozzFoster

imo, it's too bad that 2019 wasn't met with more than a hotshoe cover.

Originally posted by ramseybuckeye

LOL, That was a little weak for the anniversary year

Indeed, one remembers very vain things, not to say useless, and Pentax would have deserved more respect, but fortunately we are the ones who remember it.

Mario

totsmuyco · 10-03-2020, 09:02 PM

Maybe the K-new's development started late that they weren't able to complete it last year. Maybe Ricoh didn't care much about Pentax's anniversary as long as they can keep the brand alive.

But yes, the celebration for the 100th anniversary wasn't that great at all.

yucafrita · 10-03-2020, 11:59 PM

Bill Murray somewhere? Groundhog day again?

ebk · 10-04-2020, 01:41 AM

fairy tales

**Rondec** · 10-04-2020, 02:56 AM

The K-70, K-1 II and 645z are all do for sequels.

As to the video piece, my guess is that it will have to be at least a little better than existing cameras, it would be surprising if that weren't true. At the same time, I think it unlikely that Ricoh shifts their focus to video as a main point of concern.

10-03-2020, 08:15 PM - 2 Likes	#25
ramseybuckeye Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hampstead, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 17,291	Originally posted by Paul the Sunman This would also go a long way to appeasing the potential buyers not happy about the lack of an articulating screen on the K-new, and makes that choice more understandable. I didn't say that because I didn't want to ruffle the feathers of those who don't think it is important. Since having the KP, I don't think I could buy a new camera without it, I really like to shoot from low vantage points. And video is certainly a big need for some people, as stated in another new post today. Originally posted by FozzFoster imo, it's too bad that 2019 wasn't met with more than a hotshoe cover. LOL, That was a little weak for the anniversary year Last edited by ramseybuckeye; 10-03-2020 at 08:22 PM.

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10-03-2020, 04:27 PM - 1 Like	#16
maw Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Sassari (Italy) Posts: 1,118	Originally posted by reh321 If Pentax is working on other stuff, I would bet that everything is "FF". Rationally I would like to think about a new FF (after all it is well known that the FF and 645 lines will continue) rather than the video, I don't know you and the other Pentaxians, how many videos have you made with Pentax, if I had to make videos I certainly wouldn't watch in Pentax house (if not at amateur level), so it seems a bit unlikely. Have you seen what Canon did? When cornered by Sony and the other sisters, accelerated the projects that had in the pipeline two machines that rightly or wrongly were praised and even criticized, but the professionals remain on Canon's side. We make do with these rumors, which at least keep us awake and more motivated....

10-03-2020, 05:05 PM - 1 Like	#17
The Squirrel Mafia Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,054	Maybe it's a KP II or K-90? That's if this rumor is actually true.

10-03-2020, 05:14 PM - 3 Likes	#18
ramseybuckeye Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hampstead, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 17,291	Originally posted by FozzFoster Not sure if there is any teeth to this one, but over on 'that other site'... A second new dslr? Improved video functions? Ricoh is rumored to be working on another Pentax APS-C DSLR camera - Pentax Rumors It only makes sense if you look at the recent history. In the six years from 2013 through 2018 eight new DSLRs (six APS-C and two full frame) cameras were produced. You could add one more if you want to include the 645z. Each time they have created a new flagship with new features, some of those features have been used in other new cameras shortly after along with some other improvements. One way to get more return on your investments is to use them in multiple products, and attract different customers, look at the numbers of K-5s, K-30s, and K-50s that were sold, if it had only been the K-5, a lot of sales would have been lost. The covid situation may have an effect, but I certainly expect a couple of new cameras in the next year, probably one full frame.

10-03-2020, 05:25 PM - 1 Like	#19
sculptor666 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: PA Photos: Gallery Posts: 675	the k-1 sensor is now two generations behind what sony is offering in ff, and 645 is a generation behind what fuji are offering in mf. no doubt they are working on some killer cameras, but two aspc releases close together? don't think so. can't wait, i'm sure they're going to be good.

10-03-2020, 05:32 PM - 3 Likes	#20
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	I don't really trust rumors unless it's a leak from Ricoh. But if it's true, I hope it's a KPII. I hope this model continues and will maintain its retro look.

10-03-2020, 05:53 PM - 3 Likes	#21
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by Kunzite My memory is vague... I can help you. It had something to do with a designer who aims to see his products in art galleries and museums rather than in the hands of users.

10-03-2020, 05:57 PM - 2 Likes	#22
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Class A I can help you. It had something to do with a designer who aims to see his products in art galleries and museums rather than in the hands of users. Unless those users have LEGO hands. Steve

10-03-2020, 07:10 PM - 1 Like	#23
Paul the Sunman Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,843	Originally posted by ramseybuckeye Each time they have created a new flagship with new features, some of those features have been used in other new cameras shortly after along with some other improvements. One way to get more return on your investments is to use them in multiple products, and attract different customers, look at the numbers of K-5s, K-30s, and K-50s that were sold, if it had only been the K-5, a lot of sales would have been lost. This makes sense, and I have been half-expecting it. Drip-feeding information about the APS-C flagship and keeping completely quiet about a lower level release also makes sense, to make a splash. The KP is nearly 4yo now, and the K-70 is 6 months older; either or both would no-doubt benefit from a refresh based on some of the improved tech from the K-new. This would also go a long way to appeasing the potential buyers not happy about the lack of an articulating screen on the K-new, and makes that choice more understandable. I suspect an accompanying FF update is some time off though, or else those stumping up for the new K-1II Silver may feel aggrieved. Let's look at the history of ILC camera announcements from Pentax since 2010 (ignoring Q and 645 for the moment). It is not unusual for different-rung cameras to be released in close proximity, sporting the same generation of tech but different feature levels. 2010 Sep 9 K-r 2010 Sep 20 K-5 2012 Feb 2 K-01 2012 May 21 K-30 2012 Sep 10 K-5 II, K-5IIs 2013 Jun 12 K-500, K-50 2013 Oct 7 K-3 2014 Aug 27 K-S1 2015 Feb 9 K-S2 2015 Apr 22 K-3II 2016 Feb 17 K-1 2016 Jun 8 K-70 2017 Jan 25 KP 2018 Feb 21 K-1II

10-03-2020, 07:18 PM - 5 Likes	#24
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806 Original Poster	Originally posted by Paul the Sunman 2010 Sep 9 K-r 2010 Sep 20 K-5 2012 Feb 2 K-01 2012 May 21 K-30 2012 Sep 10 K-5 II, K-5IIs 2013 Jun 12 K-500, K-50 2013 Oct 7 K-3 2014 Aug 27 K-S1 2015 Feb 9 K-S2 2015 Apr 22 K-3II 2016 Feb 17 K-1 2016 Jun 8 K-70 2017 Jan 25 KP 2018 Feb 21 K-1II imo, it's too bad that 2019 wasn't met with more than a hotshoe cover.

10-03-2020, 08:44 PM	#26
maw Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Sassari (Italy) Posts: 1,118	Originally posted by FozzFoster imo, it's too bad that 2019 wasn't met with more than a hotshoe cover. Originally posted by ramseybuckeye LOL, That was a little weak for the anniversary year Indeed, one remembers very vain things, not to say useless, and Pentax would have deserved more respect, but fortunately we are the ones who remember it. Mario

10-03-2020, 09:02 PM	#27
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	Maybe the K-new's development started late that they weren't able to complete it last year. Maybe Ricoh didn't care much about Pentax's anniversary as long as they can keep the brand alive. But yes, the celebration for the 100th anniversary wasn't that great at all.

10-03-2020, 11:59 PM	#28
yucafrita Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 459	Bill Murray somewhere? Groundhog day again?

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ebk Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Utrecht Posts: 148	fairy tales

10-04-2020, 02:56 AM	#30
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	The K-70, K-1 II and 645z are all do for sequels. As to the video piece, my guess is that it will have to be at least a little better than existing cameras, it would be surprising if that weren't true. At the same time, I think it unlikely that Ricoh shifts their focus to video as a main point of concern.