New K-New? Who Knew?

bobmaxja · 11-03-2020, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by taktoon

I really hope to see KP-II with FF sensor. Would be perfect!

KP is not a full frame, and KP II will not be full frame.

taktoon · 11-03-2020, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by bobmaxja

KP is not a full frame, and KP II will not be full frame.

or it will

petercc · 11-03-2020, 07:08 AM

i didnt

reh321 · 11-03-2020, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by bobmaxja

KP is not a full frame, and KP II will not be full frame.

but they could release a camera with KP internals in a K-1 body with a 24mp sensor.
That would be a nearly perfect system!

normhead · 11-03-2020, 07:40 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by reh321

but they could release a camera with KP internals in a K-1 body with a 24mp sensor.
That would be a nearly perfect system!

They almost certainly will. When the K-30 came out, it had significant improvements over the flagship K-5. The K-P has significant improvements over the K-3. Pentax doesn't hold back it's tech waiting for the most expensive camera to launch and then trickle down. Being a smaller company, every new camera tends to support the latest greatest tech available.

Pentax has never done that Nikon 3xxx, 5xxx, 7xxx thing where each cheaper camera is simply a stripped down version of the next one up.

dicki · 11-03-2020, 01:09 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

but they could release a camera with KP internals in a K-1 body with a 24mp sensor.
That would be a nearly perfect system!

Call it k1-2

**luftfluss** · 11-03-2020, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by dicki

Call it k1-2

There is already a K-1 Mk II, so that would be tough.

MikeyBugs95 · 11-03-2020, 01:47 PM

Maybe they could call it a K-1P? Even have a retro-esque style body like the KP sort of like what Nikon did with Df.

MMVIII · 11-03-2020, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by reh321

but they could release a camera with KP internals in a K-1 body with a 24mp sensor.
That would be a nearly perfect system!

I can't follow here. Why would they? KP internals are something that has been developed for the APS-C sensor with 24 Mp. What would you want to have in such a camera? The sensorchip would need to be another one. The processor and accellerator are the same generation as K1-II. The AF would be probably also the same, same with metering... and both are not the newest generation. If you want a new body and chassis that would be with magnesium and sealed it would cost at least as much as a K1-II. And probably downsampled 36 Mp would be indistinguishable from a 24 Mp one. Bringing a new FF with new tech from K-3III and keeping the K-1II with a reduced price (no development costs) would have the same effect.

reh321 · 11-03-2020, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by MMVIII

I can't follow here. Why would they? KP internals are something that has been developed for the APS-C sensor with 24 Mp. What would you want to have in such a camera? The sensorchip would need to be another one. The processor and accellerator are the same generation as K1-II. The AF would be probably also the same, same with metering... and both are not the newest generation. If you want a new body and chassis that would be with magnesium and sealed it would cost at least as much as a K1-II. And probably downsampled 36 Mp would be indistinguishable from a 24 Mp one. Bringing a new FF with new tech from K-3III and keeping the K-1II with a reduced price (no development costs) would have the same effect.

Amongst Nikon users, the D750 is valued much for its NR than the D500 is.
Combine the 24mp "FF" sensor with the 'accelerator' could be a real winner - but people here always seem to be looking for more and more mp.
A 24mp "FF" camera could be a great landscape photo machine!

Kunzite · 11-03-2020, 02:34 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

Combine the 24mp "FF" sensor with the 'accelerator' could be a real winner - but people here always seem to be looking for more and more mp.
A 24mp "FF" camera could be a great landscape photo machine!

I don't see how lowering the resolution (from the current 36MP) would make for a better landscape camera.

tvdtvdtvd · 11-03-2020, 02:40 PM - **2 Likes**

As Ricoh has decided to take the industry standard low road when it comes to camera 'names', then any vaguely unique yet
still ultimately nonsensical name will do. A few possibilities:

K-1 mk II varKP
KPFF
KP1
K1KP
KPtoobutnotquitebecauseit'sFFliketheK1

Oh Joy.......

gatorguy · 11-03-2020, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd

as ricoh has decided to take the industry standard low road when it comes to camera 'names', then any vaguely unique yet
still ultimately nonsensical name will do. A few possibilities:

K-1 mk ii varkp
kpff
kp1
k1kp
kptoobutnotquitebecauseit'sfflikethek1

k-90...

MMVIII · 11-03-2020, 03:08 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

Amongst Nikon users, the D750 is valued much for its NR than the D500 is.
Combine the 24mp "FF" sensor with the 'accelerator' could be a real winner - but people here always seem to be looking for more and more mp.
A 24mp "FF" camera could be a great landscape photo machine!

Sorry, still can't follow this notion.
The K-1 II is already much better than all cameras you mentioned, especially for landscape. If this is about the old "idea" that the D750 would be better for low light, the K-1II beats it visibly in high ISO already. Especially when downsampled to 24 MP, both in detail and in noise:
Image comparison: Digital Photography Review

And I would assume that landscape is about detail, mainly at base ISO, often tripod work.

I think I know where you want to go, but I don't see this a way there. If it's about a cheap FF, it will be hard for Ricoh to bring something cheaper than the K-1 II, especially if they could just lower the price by 200-300€ if a new model would come.
"Cheap" FF, like the strange Sony ...x is not close to the K-1 II, I included it in the comparison.

What I could see would be a size reduced K1, well, why not in style with KP, but just keep the imaging pipeline. It probably won't be "cheap" either, but still be great IQ wise, and, well, maybe appeal to some who want "less" body wise.

reh321 · 11-03-2020, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I don't see how lowering the resolution (from the current 36MP) would make for a better landscape camera.

Better DR, less noise if higher ISO is needed, possibly more accurate colors.
Often 24mp give plenty of details.
We need to see what the photographer saw - certainly not the cells on the leaves.

11-03-2020, 07:40 AM - 2 Likes	#185
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by reh321 but they could release a camera with KP internals in a K-1 body with a 24mp sensor. That would be a nearly perfect system! They almost certainly will. When the K-30 came out, it had significant improvements over the flagship K-5. The K-P has significant improvements over the K-3. Pentax doesn't hold back it's tech waiting for the most expensive camera to launch and then trickle down. Being a smaller company, every new camera tends to support the latest greatest tech available. Pentax has never done that Nikon 3xxx, 5xxx, 7xxx thing where each cheaper camera is simply a stripped down version of the next one up. Last edited by normhead; 11-03-2020 at 08:16 AM.

11-03-2020, 03:08 PM - 1 Like	#194
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by reh321 Amongst Nikon users, the D750 is valued much for its NR than the D500 is. Combine the 24mp "FF" sensor with the 'accelerator' could be a real winner - but people here always seem to be looking for more and more mp. A 24mp "FF" camera could be a great landscape photo machine! Sorry, still can't follow this notion. The K-1 II is already much better than all cameras you mentioned, especially for landscape. If this is about the old "idea" that the D750 would be better for low light, the K-1II beats it visibly in high ISO already. Especially when downsampled to 24 MP, both in detail and in noise: Image comparison: Digital Photography Review And I would assume that landscape is about detail, mainly at base ISO, often tripod work. I think I know where you want to go, but I don't see this a way there. If it's about a cheap FF, it will be hard for Ricoh to bring something cheaper than the K-1 II, especially if they could just lower the price by 200-300€ if a new model would come. "Cheap" FF, like the strange Sony ...x is not close to the K-1 II, I included it in the comparison. What I could see would be a size reduced K1, well, why not in style with KP, but just keep the imaging pipeline. It probably won't be "cheap" either, but still be great IQ wise, and, well, maybe appeal to some who want "less" body wise. Last edited by MMVIII; 11-03-2020 at 03:15 PM.

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11-03-2020, 05:05 AM	#181
bobmaxja Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Laval, Quebec Canada Posts: 2,171	Originally posted by taktoon I really hope to see KP-II with FF sensor. Would be perfect! KP is not a full frame, and KP II will not be full frame.

11-03-2020, 05:09 AM	#182
taktoon Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 605	Originally posted by bobmaxja KP is not a full frame, and KP II will not be full frame. or it will

11-03-2020, 07:08 AM	#183
petercc New Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 7	i didnt

11-03-2020, 07:22 AM	#184
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by bobmaxja KP is not a full frame, and KP II will not be full frame. but they could release a camera with KP internals in a K-1 body with a 24mp sensor. That would be a nearly perfect system!

11-03-2020, 01:09 PM - 1 Like	#186
dicki Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 180	Originally posted by reh321 but they could release a camera with KP internals in a K-1 body with a 24mp sensor. That would be a nearly perfect system! Call it k1-2

11-03-2020, 01:20 PM	#187
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	Originally posted by dicki Call it k1-2 There is already a K-1 Mk II, so that would be tough.

11-03-2020, 01:47 PM	#188
MikeyBugs95 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,206	Maybe they could call it a K-1P? Even have a retro-esque style body like the KP sort of like what Nikon did with Df.

11-03-2020, 02:08 PM	#189
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by reh321 but they could release a camera with KP internals in a K-1 body with a 24mp sensor. That would be a nearly perfect system! I can't follow here. Why would they? KP internals are something that has been developed for the APS-C sensor with 24 Mp. What would you want to have in such a camera? The sensorchip would need to be another one. The processor and accellerator are the same generation as K1-II. The AF would be probably also the same, same with metering... and both are not the newest generation. If you want a new body and chassis that would be with magnesium and sealed it would cost at least as much as a K1-II. And probably downsampled 36 Mp would be indistinguishable from a 24 Mp one. Bringing a new FF with new tech from K-3III and keeping the K-1II with a reduced price (no development costs) would have the same effect.

11-03-2020, 02:29 PM	#190
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by MMVIII I can't follow here. Why would they? KP internals are something that has been developed for the APS-C sensor with 24 Mp. What would you want to have in such a camera? The sensorchip would need to be another one. The processor and accellerator are the same generation as K1-II. The AF would be probably also the same, same with metering... and both are not the newest generation. If you want a new body and chassis that would be with magnesium and sealed it would cost at least as much as a K1-II. And probably downsampled 36 Mp would be indistinguishable from a 24 Mp one. Bringing a new FF with new tech from K-3III and keeping the K-1II with a reduced price (no development costs) would have the same effect. Amongst Nikon users, the D750 is valued much for its NR than the D500 is. Combine the 24mp "FF" sensor with the 'accelerator' could be a real winner - but people here always seem to be looking for more and more mp. A 24mp "FF" camera could be a great landscape photo machine!

11-03-2020, 02:34 PM - 1 Like	#191
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by reh321 Combine the 24mp "FF" sensor with the 'accelerator' could be a real winner - but people here always seem to be looking for more and more mp. A 24mp "FF" camera could be a great landscape photo machine! I don't see how lowering the resolution (from the current 36MP) would make for a better landscape camera.

11-03-2020, 02:40 PM - 2 Likes	#192
tvdtvdtvd Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,665	As Ricoh has decided to take the industry standard low road when it comes to camera 'names', then any vaguely unique yet still ultimately nonsensical name will do. A few possibilities: K-1 mk II varKP KPFF KP1 K1KP KPtoobutnotquitebecauseit'sFFliketheK1 Oh Joy.......

11-03-2020, 02:51 PM	#193
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,092	Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd as ricoh has decided to take the industry standard low road when it comes to camera 'names', then any vaguely unique yet still ultimately nonsensical name will do. A few possibilities: K-1 mk ii varkp kpff kp1 k1kp kptoobutnotquitebecauseit'sfflikethek1 k-90...

11-03-2020, 03:26 PM	#195
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by Kunzite I don't see how lowering the resolution (from the current 36MP) would make for a better landscape camera. Better DR, less noise if higher ISO is needed, possibly more accurate colors. Often 24mp give plenty of details. We need to see what the photographer saw - certainly not the cells on the leaves.