New K-New? Who Knew?

k1man · 12-29-2020, 01:22 AM

Hi all, read an article this morning and the bloke from Pentax said that they are sticking with DSLR and not going mirrorless so hopefully a new K1 will be in the offing soon, Ian

**Cerebum** · 12-29-2020, 04:47 AM

Thatll be this one

Pentax 'Cannot' Go Mirrorless: Ricoh Imaging CEO

house · 12-29-2020, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by k1man

Hi all, read an article this morning and the bloke from Pentax said that they are sticking with DSLR and not going mirrorless so hopefully a new K1 will be in the offing soon, Ian

They also say that the same team works on GR and Pentax alternating the two brands. We've had suggestions the next camera is a GR so I wont expect any new Pentax model on the heels of k-33.

Kunzite · 12-29-2020, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by house

They also say that the same team works on GR and Pentax alternating the two brands. We've had suggestions the next camera is a GR so I wont expect any new Pentax model on the heels of k-33.

A lot of false assumptions are needed in order to make this interpretation work. "Same team" doesn't even make sense, given the huge range of domains that it would have to cover.

house · 12-29-2020, 07:38 AM

I don't understand why you think the same team can't design the GR and the K3-III. Please explain how the "huge range of domains" fail to overlap between the GR and the Pentax. I dont trust the translation to be accurate so you might well be correct however

Quote:

The production base has also been switched from the Ricoh factory in China, where it was until the GR II, to the Hanoi factory in Vietnam, where Pentax lenses were made. Both GR and PENTAX are made by the same people, and development is carried out alternately. What emerged was a sense of unity. After all, all of our staff members love cameras, and they work together with the sole purpose of making better products.

Kunzite · 12-29-2020, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by house

I don't understand why you think the same team can't design the GR and the K3-III. Please explain how the "huge range of domains" fail to overlap between the GR and the Pentax. I dont trust the translation to be accurate so you might well be correct however

I'm saying there's no single team. Even for a lens there's mechanical, optical, electronics, software - and that's just to mention some very general domains.
If you think of one single team now working on the GR, now on Pentax - it doesn't make any sense to me. You'd get a lot of people sitting idle because they did their part, and the next project didn't even start...

house · 12-29-2020, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I'm saying there's no single team. Even for a lens there's mechanical, optical, electronics, software - and that's just to mention some very general domains.
If you think of one single team now working on the GR, now on Pentax - it doesn't make any sense to me. You'd get a lot of people sitting idle because they did their part, and the next project didn't even start...

So its the word team. You use it in a more specific way.

Kunzite · 12-29-2020, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by house

So its the word team. You use it in a more specific way.

You were the one making assumptions and drawing conclusions about the upcoming products.

reh321 · 12-29-2020, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I'm saying there's no single team. Even for a lens there's mechanical, optical, electronics, software - and that's just to mention some very general domains.
If you think of one single team now working on the GR, now on Pentax - it doesn't make any sense to me. You'd get a lot of people sitting idle because they did their part, and the next project didn't even start...

But it does help to explain recent timing - why, for example, the GRRRR seems to have slowed down progress on K-products.
The members who finish things couldn't finish the K-3iii until the GRRRR was finished.

Kunzite · 12-29-2020, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by reh321

But it does help to explain recent timing - why, for example, the GRRRR seems to have slowed down progress on K-products.
The members who finish things couldn't finish the K-3iii until the GRRRR was finished.

They never made a GRRRR camera.

You're talking about finishing cameras, I'm talking about working on cameras - where I'm sure there is some parallelization.
For example, work on various K-3 III components (like the new pentaprism) was ongoing while they were working on the GR III and the K-1 II.

I expect a new K-1 earlier than if they'd only start working on it after they'd finish some new GR.

reh321 · 12-29-2020, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

They never made a GRRRR camera.

You're talking about finishing cameras, I'm talking about working on cameras - where I'm sure there is some parallelization.
For example, work on various K-3 III components (like the new pentaprism) was ongoing while they were working on the GR III and the K-1 II.

I expect a new K-1 earlier than if they'd only start working on it after they'd finish some new GR.

Yes I did say finish - in this case the K-mount camera may have had to wait for the ‘fInishing’ team.
It looks like the K-3iii will be three years after the K-1ii.
Only time will tell how much time will pass until the next K-mount camera.

Kunzite · 12-29-2020, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Yes I did say finish - in this case the K-mount camera may have had to wait for the ‘fInishing’ team.
It looks like the K-3iii will be three years after the K-1ii.
Only time will tell how much time will pass until the next K-mount camera.

A year or so? Maybe?

You forget how the K-3 III is a completely new camera, with tons of newly developed technologies. I believe that's the reason for the "gap".

reh321 · 12-29-2020, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

A year or so? Maybe?

You forget how the K-3 III is a completely new camera, with tons of newly developed technologies. I believe that's the reason for the "gap".

A “K-mount” team or teams could have worked at getting the K-3iii close - but three years, even for a completely new camera, is a long time.
Covid-19 could explain part of it, but only part.
The “K-3 shelf” has been empty for a long time now.

I don’t care - I am happy with my KP.

Kunzite · 12-29-2020, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by reh321

A “K-mount” team or teams could have worked at getting the K-3iii close - but three years, even for a completely new camera, is a long time.
Covid-19 could explain part of it, but only part.
The “K-3 shelf” has been empty for a long time now.

I don’t care - I am happy with my KP.

I'd say it's a reasonable time. The K-3 being discontinued has nothing to do with it, you can't hurry up the development just by wishing to have a new product.

reh321 · 12-29-2020, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I'd say it's a reasonable time. The K-3 being discontinued has nothing to do with it, you can't hurry up the development just by wishing to have a new product.

One would hope that their planning would have depended on getting production on one product meeting end of remaining stock of product it is replacing.

But I am personally happy with my KP - this is a matter between Pentax and their K-3 line customers for whom the KP does not meet their needs.

12-29-2020, 03:28 PM	#405
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by Kunzite I'd say it's a reasonable time. The K-3 being discontinued has nothing to do with it, you can't hurry up the development just by wishing to have a new product. One would hope that their planning would have depended on getting production on one product meeting end of remaining stock of product it is replacing. But I am personally happy with my KP - this is a matter between Pentax and their K-3 line customers for whom the KP does not meet their needs. Last edited by reh321; 12-29-2020 at 03:33 PM.

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12-29-2020, 06:09 AM	#393
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by k1man Hi all, read an article this morning and the bloke from Pentax said that they are sticking with DSLR and not going mirrorless so hopefully a new K1 will be in the offing soon, Ian They also say that the same team works on GR and Pentax alternating the two brands. We've had suggestions the next camera is a GR so I wont expect any new Pentax model on the heels of k-33.

12-29-2020, 07:11 AM	#394
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by house They also say that the same team works on GR and Pentax alternating the two brands. We've had suggestions the next camera is a GR so I wont expect any new Pentax model on the heels of k-33. A lot of false assumptions are needed in order to make this interpretation work. "Same team" doesn't even make sense, given the huge range of domains that it would have to cover.

12-29-2020, 07:38 AM	#395
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	I don't understand why you think the same team can't design the GR and the K3-III. Please explain how the "huge range of domains" fail to overlap between the GR and the Pentax. I dont trust the translation to be accurate so you might well be correct however Quote: The production base has also been switched from the Ricoh factory in China, where it was until the GR II, to the Hanoi factory in Vietnam, where Pentax lenses were made. Both GR and PENTAX are made by the same people, and development is carried out alternately. What emerged was a sense of unity. After all, all of our staff members love cameras, and they work together with the sole purpose of making better products.

12-29-2020, 08:53 AM	#396
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by house I don't understand why you think the same team can't design the GR and the K3-III. Please explain how the "huge range of domains" fail to overlap between the GR and the Pentax. I dont trust the translation to be accurate so you might well be correct however I'm saying there's no single team. Even for a lens there's mechanical, optical, electronics, software - and that's just to mention some very general domains. If you think of one single team now working on the GR, now on Pentax - it doesn't make any sense to me. You'd get a lot of people sitting idle because they did their part, and the next project didn't even start...

12-29-2020, 08:57 AM	#397
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by Kunzite I'm saying there's no single team. Even for a lens there's mechanical, optical, electronics, software - and that's just to mention some very general domains. If you think of one single team now working on the GR, now on Pentax - it doesn't make any sense to me. You'd get a lot of people sitting idle because they did their part, and the next project didn't even start... So its the word team. You use it in a more specific way.

12-29-2020, 08:58 AM	#398
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by house So its the word team. You use it in a more specific way. You were the one making assumptions and drawing conclusions about the upcoming products.

12-29-2020, 11:09 AM	#399
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by Kunzite I'm saying there's no single team. Even for a lens there's mechanical, optical, electronics, software - and that's just to mention some very general domains. If you think of one single team now working on the GR, now on Pentax - it doesn't make any sense to me. You'd get a lot of people sitting idle because they did their part, and the next project didn't even start... But it does help to explain recent timing - why, for example, the GRRRR seems to have slowed down progress on K-products. The members who finish things couldn't finish the K-3iii until the GRRRR was finished.

12-29-2020, 12:17 PM	#400
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by reh321 But it does help to explain recent timing - why, for example, the GRRRR seems to have slowed down progress on K-products. The members who finish things couldn't finish the K-3iii until the GRRRR was finished. They never made a GRRRR camera. You're talking about finishing cameras, I'm talking about working on cameras - where I'm sure there is some parallelization. For example, work on various K-3 III components (like the new pentaprism) was ongoing while they were working on the GR III and the K-1 II. I expect a new K-1 earlier than if they'd only start working on it after they'd finish some new GR.

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12-29-2020, 12:25 PM	#401
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by Kunzite They never made a GRRRR camera. You're talking about finishing cameras, I'm talking about working on cameras - where I'm sure there is some parallelization. For example, work on various K-3 III components (like the new pentaprism) was ongoing while they were working on the GR III and the K-1 II. I expect a new K-1 earlier than if they'd only start working on it after they'd finish some new GR. Yes I did say finish - in this case the K-mount camera may have had to wait for the ‘fInishing’ team. It looks like the K-3iii will be three years after the K-1ii. Only time will tell how much time will pass until the next K-mount camera.

12-29-2020, 01:05 PM	#402
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by reh321 Yes I did say finish - in this case the K-mount camera may have had to wait for the ‘fInishing’ team. It looks like the K-3iii will be three years after the K-1ii. Only time will tell how much time will pass until the next K-mount camera. A year or so? Maybe? You forget how the K-3 III is a completely new camera, with tons of newly developed technologies. I believe that's the reason for the "gap".

12-29-2020, 02:02 PM	#403
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by Kunzite A year or so? Maybe? You forget how the K-3 III is a completely new camera, with tons of newly developed technologies. I believe that's the reason for the "gap". A “K-mount” team or teams could have worked at getting the K-3iii close - but three years, even for a completely new camera, is a long time. Covid-19 could explain part of it, but only part. The “K-3 shelf” has been empty for a long time now. I don’t care - I am happy with my KP.

12-29-2020, 02:52 PM	#404
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by reh321 A “K-mount” team or teams could have worked at getting the K-3iii close - but three years, even for a completely new camera, is a long time. Covid-19 could explain part of it, but only part. The “K-3 shelf” has been empty for a long time now. I don’t care - I am happy with my KP. I'd say it's a reasonable time. The K-3 being discontinued has nothing to do with it, you can't hurry up the development just by wishing to have a new product.