[New video Oct 27] New information about upcoming APS-C flagship model

The Squirrel Mafia · 10-27-2020, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by LeeRunge

As it's spec'd it's already behind the D500 in points and cross points and shows no 3d tracking system.

Hopefully it has some kind of "smart" tracking implementation similar to Nikon's 3D tracking where you place the point over the subject & the camera sticks to it like glue.

LeeRunge · 10-27-2020, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by gatorguy

IMO by the time you've reached 100+ AF points and cross points the distribution is as much or more important than the absolute number. I look for Pentax to have learned from the D500 implementation and improved on it. Another quarter from now we'll see how they've done.

Agreed, 100 is plenty. The D6 uses the Multicam 37k with 105 cross points and that's I think one of the fastest AF systems out there.

We shall see if they pull it off. Maybe. I'm pretty skeptical due to past Pentax claims vs what we got with the new SAFOX system though. I'm happy they can match the multicam 3500 FX 2 in the D750/780. It still gets the job done very well.

If Pentax can match any of those it would be fantastic.

---------- Post added 10-27-2020 at 09:34 AM ----------

Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia

Hopefully it has some kind of "smart" tracking implementation similar to Nikon's 3D tracking where you place the point over the subject & the camera sticks to it like glue.

I hope so. The 3d system in my D750 is great, locks on and follows in AF-C very well. Totally different story compared to the AF-C performance in my K-3.

That's all the performance I need so if they can match that AF module it would be excellent.

**FozzFoster** · 10-27-2020, 09:44 AM

I'm curious why they put the 'III' beside the 'K-3' lettering, instead of underneath it like the 'II' on the 'K-3 II'.
It almost looks a bit squished in there.
Really makes me think that it was named something else (K-2020?), and they had to cover up letter with the new name? haha idk

**TedH42** · 10-27-2020, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by surfar

Japanese prices are usually higher than US and Europe but upper 200k yen(9.46 in video)...I take as 270k ish yen which is almost 2600U$D

Thats a steep price but they always come down.

This is my estimate also.

If I do an African Safari for the big animals, I'll be taking one of these cameras for sure. And a DFA 150-450 too.

LeeRunge · 10-27-2020, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by TedH42

This is my estimate also.

If I do an African Safari for the big animals, I'll be taking one of these cameras for sure. And a DFA 150-450 too.

I bet it ends up being about 1700 at launch.

If they undercut the D500 too much anyone other than a Pentax user with a bunch of existing glass would likely just get that instead with a 150-600 as that combo is @ $2500. The K3 iii and 150-450 would be $3700 if it ends up at $1700 dollars.

gatorguy · 10-27-2020, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by clackers

The KP already has DOF bracketing, Steve.

it looks like that feature has been expanded for the K3 III.

**FozzFoster** · 10-27-2020, 10:00 AM

can we talk about the Viewfinder Overlay?
AF Points, Grid Display, Electronic Level, AF Frame, Spot Metering Frame, Crop, Smart Function, Operation Control Lock

Does the K-1 or KP have these functions? Crop? Smart Function?

repaap · 10-27-2020, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by LeeRunge

I bet it ends up being about 1700 at launch.

If they undercut the D500 too much anyone other than a Pentax user with a bunch of existing glass would likely just get that instead with a 150-600 as that combo is @ $2500. The K3 iii and 150-450 would be $3700 if it ends up at $1700 dollars.

I would not buy D500 + 150-600, because I have already big collection of great Pentax K stuff. I would not be able to use them with either of those new things.

Looks like preorder at Finland is 1990€ usually that means 1800-1900$.

house · 10-27-2020, 10:27 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

I'm curious why they put the 'III' beside the 'K-3' lettering, instead of underneath it like the 'II' on the 'K-3 II'.
It almost looks a bit squished in there.
Really makes me think that it was named something else (K-2020?), and they had to cover up letter with the new name? haha idk

They were left with less vertical space after shaping the edge that way. The grip rubber needs a few mm above the bevel to look right.

starjedi · 10-27-2020, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by ehrwien

Features and specifications:

1. The new optical viewfinder: 1.05x magnification
2. Outstanding operability: "greatly upgraded from its predecessor". New shutter control mechanism for sharp, accurate shutter action; touch-screen LCD panel; new grip.
3. The dramatic improvement of image quality: all main components, including image sensor, imaging engine and accelerator have been redesigned. Max ISO 1.6 million.
4. Continuous-shooting and image-tracking performance. Max. 12 fps. Autofocus improved to widen focus-point coverage and improve tracking performance for subjects in motion.

market price in the upper 200,000 ¥ range (200,000 ¥ is about $1900) (which means it will cost 250,000 ¥ to 290,000 ¥ or $2,400 to $2,800 ?)

$2400-2800 will defintely be outragous, at least in US. We can even get a new Sony Alpha7RIV for $2500 during deal time, whose APS-C crop mode has 26.2MP too.

Pentikonian · 10-27-2020, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by someasiancameraguy

There seems to be an 'M.UP' symbol in the new viewfinder. I'm assuming that's a symbol for mirror up, which only makes sense if there was a hybrid viewfinder right?

Originally posted by bencoskater

It's what I'm assuming too lol

Unless I missed it, I haven't seen any responses to these...

M.Up doesn't mean hybrid viewfinder. 645D, 645Z, K1 have M.Up, other past and current cameras have/ have had this functionality as well.

**Larrymc** · 10-27-2020, 10:44 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

I'm curious why they put the 'III' beside the 'K-3' lettering, instead of underneath it like the 'II' on the 'K-3 II'.
It almost looks a bit squished in there.
Really makes me think that it was named something else (K-2020?), and they had to cover up letter with the new name? haha idk

They put it there so it would be easier to cover with that little piece of tape that was used when they showed the prototype.

I suspect the name has been there since it was first shown with the tape in place.

Raffwal · 10-27-2020, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by repaap

Looks like preorder at Finland is 1990€.

1999€. Expected availability March 31st.

Wheatfield · 10-27-2020, 11:15 AM - **7 Likes**

Originally posted by nzondlo

All the geriatrics here were screaming about how it's not a problem that we're moving to niche. Well, get ready to pay niche prices

.

We don’t hold your youth and inexperience against you.

surfar · 10-27-2020, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by starjedi

$2400-2800 will defintely be outragous, at least in US. We can even get a new Sony Alpha7RIV for $2500 during deal time, whose APS-C crop mode has 26.2MP too.

That will be JAPanese pricing which is always higher than US and Europe.The wafer that the 26mp sensor is cut from is the same as the 61mp in the A7r4(and fuji 100).

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10-27-2020, 09:23 AM	#166
The Squirrel Mafia Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,054	Originally posted by LeeRunge As it's spec'd it's already behind the D500 in points and cross points and shows no 3d tracking system. Hopefully it has some kind of "smart" tracking implementation similar to Nikon's 3D tracking where you place the point over the subject & the camera sticks to it like glue.

10-27-2020, 09:32 AM	#167
LeeRunge Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 993	Originally posted by gatorguy IMO by the time you've reached 100+ AF points and cross points the distribution is as much or more important than the absolute number. I look for Pentax to have learned from the D500 implementation and improved on it. Another quarter from now we'll see how they've done. Agreed, 100 is plenty. The D6 uses the Multicam 37k with 105 cross points and that's I think one of the fastest AF systems out there. We shall see if they pull it off. Maybe. I'm pretty skeptical due to past Pentax claims vs what we got with the new SAFOX system though. I'm happy they can match the multicam 3500 FX 2 in the D750/780. It still gets the job done very well. If Pentax can match any of those it would be fantastic. ---------- Post added 10-27-2020 at 09:34 AM ---------- Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia Hopefully it has some kind of "smart" tracking implementation similar to Nikon's 3D tracking where you place the point over the subject & the camera sticks to it like glue. I hope so. The 3d system in my D750 is great, locks on and follows in AF-C very well. Totally different story compared to the AF-C performance in my K-3. That's all the performance I need so if they can match that AF module it would be excellent.

10-27-2020, 09:53 AM	#169
TedH42 F/8 & Somewhere Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Colorado Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,412	Originally posted by surfar Japanese prices are usually higher than US and Europe but upper 200k yen(9.46 in video)...I take as 270k ish yen which is almost 2600U$D Thats a steep price but they always come down. This is my estimate also. If I do an African Safari for the big animals, I'll be taking one of these cameras for sure. And a DFA 150-450 too.

10-27-2020, 09:57 AM	#170
LeeRunge Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 993	Originally posted by TedH42 This is my estimate also. If I do an African Safari for the big animals, I'll be taking one of these cameras for sure. And a DFA 150-450 too. I bet it ends up being about 1700 at launch. If they undercut the D500 too much anyone other than a Pentax user with a bunch of existing glass would likely just get that instead with a 150-600 as that combo is @ $2500. The K3 iii and 150-450 would be $3700 if it ends up at $1700 dollars.

10-27-2020, 09:58 AM	#171
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,092	Originally posted by clackers The KP already has DOF bracketing, Steve. it looks like that feature has been expanded for the K3 III.

10-27-2020, 10:00 AM	#172
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	can we talk about the Viewfinder Overlay? AF Points, Grid Display, Electronic Level, AF Frame, Spot Metering Frame, Crop, Smart Function, Operation Control Lock Does the K-1 or KP have these functions? Crop? Smart Function?

10-27-2020, 10:20 AM	#173
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by LeeRunge I bet it ends up being about 1700 at launch. If they undercut the D500 too much anyone other than a Pentax user with a bunch of existing glass would likely just get that instead with a 150-600 as that combo is @ $2500. The K3 iii and 150-450 would be $3700 if it ends up at $1700 dollars. I would not buy D500 + 150-600, because I have already big collection of great Pentax K stuff. I would not be able to use them with either of those new things. Looks like preorder at Finland is 1990€ usually that means 1800-1900$.

10-27-2020, 10:27 AM - 1 Like	#174
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by FozzFoster I'm curious why they put the 'III' beside the 'K-3' lettering, instead of underneath it like the 'II' on the 'K-3 II'. It almost looks a bit squished in there. Really makes me think that it was named something else (K-2020?), and they had to cover up letter with the new name? haha idk They were left with less vertical space after shaping the edge that way. The grip rubber needs a few mm above the bevel to look right.

10-27-2020, 10:35 AM	#175
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932	Originally posted by ehrwien Features and specifications: 1. The new optical viewfinder: 1.05x magnification 2. Outstanding operability: "greatly upgraded from its predecessor". New shutter control mechanism for sharp, accurate shutter action; touch-screen LCD panel; new grip. 3. The dramatic improvement of image quality: all main components, including image sensor, imaging engine and accelerator have been redesigned. Max ISO 1.6 million. 4. Continuous-shooting and image-tracking performance. Max. 12 fps. Autofocus improved to widen focus-point coverage and improve tracking performance for subjects in motion. market price in the upper 200,000 ¥ range (200,000 ¥ is about $1900) (which means it will cost 250,000 ¥ to 290,000 ¥ or $2,400 to $2,800 ?) $2400-2800 will defintely be outragous, at least in US. We can even get a new Sony Alpha7RIV for $2500 during deal time, whose APS-C crop mode has 26.2MP too.

10-27-2020, 10:40 AM	#176
Pentikonian Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Arizona Posts: 780	Originally posted by someasiancameraguy There seems to be an 'M.UP' symbol in the new viewfinder. I'm assuming that's a symbol for mirror up, which only makes sense if there was a hybrid viewfinder right? Originally posted by bencoskater It's what I'm assuming too lol Unless I missed it, I haven't seen any responses to these... M.Up doesn't mean hybrid viewfinder. 645D, 645Z, K1 have M.Up, other past and current cameras have/ have had this functionality as well.

10-27-2020, 10:44 AM - 1 Like	#177
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by FozzFoster I'm curious why they put the 'III' beside the 'K-3' lettering, instead of underneath it like the 'II' on the 'K-3 II'. It almost looks a bit squished in there. Really makes me think that it was named something else (K-2020?), and they had to cover up letter with the new name? haha idk They put it there so it would be easier to cover with that little piece of tape that was used when they showed the prototype. I suspect the name has been there since it was first shown with the tape in place.

10-27-2020, 10:56 AM	#178
Raffwal Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The North Posts: 879	Originally posted by repaap Looks like preorder at Finland is 1990€. 1999€. Expected availability March 31st.

10-27-2020, 11:15 AM - 7 Likes	#179
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by nzondlo All the geriatrics here were screaming about how it's not a problem that we're moving to niche. Well, get ready to pay niche prices . We don’t hold your youth and inexperience against you.

10-27-2020, 11:17 AM	#180
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	Originally posted by starjedi $2400-2800 will defintely be outragous, at least in US. We can even get a new Sony Alpha7RIV for $2500 during deal time, whose APS-C crop mode has 26.2MP too. That will be JAPanese pricing which is always higher than US and Europe.The wafer that the 26mp sensor is cut from is the same as the 61mp in the A7r4(and fuji 100).