[New video Oct 27] New information about upcoming APS-C flagship model

**tduell** · 10-27-2020, 10:16 PM - **1 Like**

Good to see flash sync speed is 1/200 sec. on K-3 III.
I didn't see anything about shutter life, hopefully it will be 300k like the K-1.

Cheers,
Terry

someasiancameraguy · 10-27-2020, 10:33 PM

Also is there anyone else aside from me worried about the price of the new K-3?

Plenty of forum members have stated their desire for a flippy screen and better video specs, and the Fuji X-S10 has both of these with the same sensor as the K-new in a body half the price. It even has some typical Pentax advantages (huge grip, DSLR like menus/buttons, IBIS). Unless someone really likes weather sealing or specifically looks at the viewfinder experience to see the difference between 1.05x to 0.62x magnification it's hard to see how an outsider looking to upgrade will choose Pentax.

Raffwal · 10-27-2020, 10:57 PM - **1 Like**

How I see Ricoh strategy today is that they can't (and perhaps aren't even trying to) attract new users. After all, most of traditional Pentax strengths (like WR, IBIS, compact size) can be today found in other brands. Often in cameras that are in other ways even better or cheaper. So Ricoh is today selling mostly to long time Pentax users, with either a significant investment in K mount lenses or a nostalgic brand loyalty. And because these customers are loyal, the company can charge above the relative value of the cameras.

surfar · 10-27-2020, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by someasiancameraguy

Plenty of forum members have stated their desire for a flippy screen and better video specs, and the Fuji X-S10 has both of these with the same sensor as the K-new in a body half the price. It even has some typical Pentax advantages (huge grip, DSLR like menus/buttons, IBIS). Unless someone really likes weather sealing or specifically looks at the viewfinder experience to see the difference between 1.05x to 0.62x magnification it's hard to see how an outsider looking to upgrade will choose Pentax.

This Fuji will be my next purchase once the price settles,almost half the weight of Knew.But will probably get the K-new once its price settles.

---------- Post added 10-28-20 at 05:31 PM ----------

Originally posted by someasiancameraguy

Also is there anyone else aside from me worried about the price of the new K-3?

Doesnt worry me,i can wait till it drops.

someasiancameraguy · 10-27-2020, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Raffwal

How I see Ricoh strategy today is that they can't (and perhaps aren't even trying to) attract new users. After all, most of traditional Pentax strengths (like WR, IBIS, compact size) can be today found in other brands. Often in cameras that are in other ways even better or cheaper. So Ricoh is today selling mostly to long time Pentax users, with either a significant investment in K mount lenses or a nostalgic brand loyalty. And because these customers are loyal, the company can charge above the relative value of the cameras.

I can understand this as a business decision, especially when other companies are desperately trying to gain new market share in the MILC world and hemorrhaging money in R&D. But I do feel that it is a departure from the ethos of most image quality/camera for your buck approach that I've associated with Pentax.

Originally posted by surfar

This Fuji will be my next purchase once the price settles,almost half the weight of Knew.But will probably get the K-new once its price settles.

Yeah, I'm thinking of getting this Fuji too. Now if only there was a K mount lens to X mount AF adapter...

**ben-pentax** · 10-28-2020, 12:01 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by someasiancameraguy

But I do feel that it is a departure from the ethos of most image quality/camera for your buck approach that I've associated with Pentax

Not necessarily. Let's wait for the reviews. The price might be higher then your expectations, but so might be the qualities of the camera also.

**EricBT** · 10-28-2020, 12:11 AM

On the Pentax site with the full spec sheet they have a drive mode called "Motion Bracketing". Anyone know what that could possibly be as I can't seem to find any references to such a mode online?

aure45 · 10-28-2020, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by joelbolden

If you mean without a tripod, then I've been using my K-70 with the motion on selected for years. I brace it steady with my arms/knees in a sitting or kneeling position, or brace up against a handy support of some sort, plus pay attention to breath control........works fine.

Yes I meant without a tripod ("hand-held" and not "hand-help" as I wrote).
I didn't know this feature already existed and I couldn't find it on the spec list of the K-1 / KP / K-70, so I guessed it was something new. Thank you for your answer.

**DamienW** · 10-28-2020, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by EricBT

On the Pentax site with the full spec sheet they have a drive mode called "Motion Bracketing". Anyone know what that could possibly be as I can't seem to find any references to such a mode online?

Like an ND simulation? Stacking shots to get movement (like a long exposure on a waterfall)?

zapp · 10-28-2020, 01:06 AM - **14 Likes**

From the spec sheet Pentax addressed all major complaints of the last years. AF performance, speed-FPS, overall performance and now we wish flippy screens, complain about the possible drop of GNSS receivers, price... The camera looks perfect for photography, the size of the viewfinder is a big feature of differentiation. This camera will increase visibility and attract new users. Pentax cameras are replaced at slow pace, many of the new features will make this camera stand out for many years! DSLR is about the viewfinder, flippy screens are extra. Photography and video don’t go together that well. Concentrate on one thing. Pentax goes for quality and performance which is hard to find these days. For the performance we are getting, price is low or at least adequate. What a perfect camera and I am sure we have not seen everything yet.

troenaas · 10-28-2020, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by zapp

from the spec sheet pentax addressed all major complaints of the last years. Af performance, speed-fps, overall performance and now we wish flippy screens, complain about the possible drop of gnss receivers, price... The camera looks perfect for photography, the size of the viewfinder is a big feature of differentiation. This camera will increase visibility and attract new users. Pentax cameras are replaced at slow pace, many of the new features will make this camera stand out for many years! Dslr is about the viewfinder, flippy screens are extra. Photography and video don’t go together that well. Concentrate on one thing. Pentax goes for quality and performance which is hard to find these days. For the performance we are getting, price is low or at least adequate. What a perfect camera and i am sure we have not seen everything yet.

you nailed it!!!!!!

surfar · 10-28-2020, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by someasiancameraguy

a K mount lens to X mount AF adapter...

Yes,Id like one too.

However, there are plenty of Canon EF/s adapters and there is an abundance of good used Canon glass to adapt.

---------- Post added 10-28-20 at 08:11 PM ----------

Originally posted by zapp

Pentax cameras are replaced at slow pace,

Slow?

---------- Post added 10-28-20 at 08:13 PM ----------

Originally posted by zapp

Photography and video don’t go together that well.

True for some people but many others appreciate having a high level of both.

beholder3 · 10-28-2020, 02:35 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by EricBT

On the Pentax site with the full spec sheet they have a drive mode called "Motion Bracketing". Anyone know what that could possibly be as I can't seem to find any references to such a mode online?

I speculate:

"DoF-bracketing" = Av bracketing
"Motion bracketing" = Tv bracketing

Cynog Ap Brychan · 10-28-2020, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by someasiancameraguy

Plenty of forum members have stated their desire for a flippy screen and better video specs, and the Fuji X-S10 has both of these with the same sensor as the K-new in a body half the price. It even has some typical Pentax advantages (huge grip, DSLR like menus/buttons, IBIS). Unless someone really likes weather sealing or specifically looks at the viewfinder experience to see the difference between 1.05x to 0.62x magnification it's hard to see how an outsider looking to upgrade will choose Pentax.

They might choose Pentax if they want a DSLR. I have been using mirrorless for some time, and yesterday bought a new Fuji X-T3 (which at £899 I think is better value than the X-S10 for me, particularly with firmware 4.0), but I will not give up my Pentaxes as I prefer the OVF experience. I intend to buy the K-3 III when it come out next year.

Danas_Anis · 10-28-2020, 02:48 AM - **2 Likes**

For those excited about 4k video addition, well it's nice but questionable. I suspect it will be just a basic implementation that comes with the new chip. Spec sheet writes that live view focusing is contrast detect only, probably means no on sensor phase detect technology present. So no advanced stuff for live view shooting. That also could be a reason why they didn't bother to put any kind swivel or vary angle screen. Although I still think that phase detect auto focus during live view would be great for those odd angle shots. No log options could also indicate that devs didn't look much into it, no HLG also indicate that 4k video is only to match spec sheet with last years commons.

Anyway, exciting to see news from Pentax, should be great camera for photography, I miss the ergonomics of Pentax quite a lot. Pentax is slow to introduce things nowadays, but it puts smile and joy on me when I see news from Pentax.

10-27-2020, 10:57 PM - 1 Like	#243
Raffwal Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The North Posts: 879	How I see Ricoh strategy today is that they can't (and perhaps aren't even trying to) attract new users. After all, most of traditional Pentax strengths (like WR, IBIS, compact size) can be today found in other brands. Often in cameras that are in other ways even better or cheaper. So Ricoh is today selling mostly to long time Pentax users, with either a significant investment in K mount lenses or a nostalgic brand loyalty. And because these customers are loyal, the company can charge above the relative value of the cameras. Last edited by Raffwal; 10-27-2020 at 11:20 PM.

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10-27-2020, 10:16 PM - 1 Like	#241
tduell Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,513	Good to see flash sync speed is 1/200 sec. on K-3 III. I didn't see anything about shutter life, hopefully it will be 300k like the K-1. Cheers, Terry

10-27-2020, 10:33 PM	#242
someasiancameraguy Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 419	Also is there anyone else aside from me worried about the price of the new K-3? Plenty of forum members have stated their desire for a flippy screen and better video specs, and the Fuji X-S10 has both of these with the same sensor as the K-new in a body half the price. It even has some typical Pentax advantages (huge grip, DSLR like menus/buttons, IBIS). Unless someone really likes weather sealing or specifically looks at the viewfinder experience to see the difference between 1.05x to 0.62x magnification it's hard to see how an outsider looking to upgrade will choose Pentax.

10-27-2020, 11:29 PM	#244
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,137	Originally posted by someasiancameraguy Plenty of forum members have stated their desire for a flippy screen and better video specs, and the Fuji X-S10 has both of these with the same sensor as the K-new in a body half the price. It even has some typical Pentax advantages (huge grip, DSLR like menus/buttons, IBIS). Unless someone really likes weather sealing or specifically looks at the viewfinder experience to see the difference between 1.05x to 0.62x magnification it's hard to see how an outsider looking to upgrade will choose Pentax. This Fuji will be my next purchase once the price settles,almost half the weight of Knew.But will probably get the K-new once its price settles. ---------- Post added 10-28-20 at 05:31 PM ---------- Originally posted by someasiancameraguy Also is there anyone else aside from me worried about the price of the new K-3? Doesnt worry me,i can wait till it drops.

10-27-2020, 11:50 PM	#245
someasiancameraguy Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 419	Originally posted by Raffwal How I see Ricoh strategy today is that they can't (and perhaps aren't even trying to) attract new users. After all, most of traditional Pentax strengths (like WR, IBIS, compact size) can be today found in other brands. Often in cameras that are in other ways even better or cheaper. So Ricoh is today selling mostly to long time Pentax users, with either a significant investment in K mount lenses or a nostalgic brand loyalty. And because these customers are loyal, the company can charge above the relative value of the cameras. I can understand this as a business decision, especially when other companies are desperately trying to gain new market share in the MILC world and hemorrhaging money in R&D. But I do feel that it is a departure from the ethos of most image quality/camera for your buck approach that I've associated with Pentax. Originally posted by surfar This Fuji will be my next purchase once the price settles,almost half the weight of Knew.But will probably get the K-new once its price settles. Yeah, I'm thinking of getting this Fuji too. Now if only there was a K mount lens to X mount AF adapter...

10-28-2020, 12:01 AM - 1 Like	#246
ben-pentax Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 133	Originally posted by someasiancameraguy But I do feel that it is a departure from the ethos of most image quality/camera for your buck approach that I've associated with Pentax Not necessarily. Let's wait for the reviews. The price might be higher then your expectations, but so might be the qualities of the camera also.

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EricBT Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Melbourne Posts: 109	On the Pentax site with the full spec sheet they have a drive mode called "Motion Bracketing". Anyone know what that could possibly be as I can't seem to find any references to such a mode online?

10-28-2020, 12:15 AM	#248
aure45 Forum Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Compiègne, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 93	Originally posted by joelbolden If you mean without a tripod, then I've been using my K-70 with the motion on selected for years. I brace it steady with my arms/knees in a sitting or kneeling position, or brace up against a handy support of some sort, plus pay attention to breath control........works fine. Yes I meant without a tripod ("hand-held" and not "hand-help" as I wrote). I didn't know this feature already existed and I couldn't find it on the spec list of the K-1 / KP / K-70, so I guessed it was something new. Thank you for your answer.

10-28-2020, 12:43 AM	#249
DamienW Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 847	Originally posted by EricBT On the Pentax site with the full spec sheet they have a drive mode called "Motion Bracketing". Anyone know what that could possibly be as I can't seem to find any references to such a mode online? Like an ND simulation? Stacking shots to get movement (like a long exposure on a waterfall)?

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zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,385	From the spec sheet Pentax addressed all major complaints of the last years. AF performance, speed-FPS, overall performance and now we wish flippy screens, complain about the possible drop of GNSS receivers, price... The camera looks perfect for photography, the size of the viewfinder is a big feature of differentiation. This camera will increase visibility and attract new users. Pentax cameras are replaced at slow pace, many of the new features will make this camera stand out for many years! DSLR is about the viewfinder, flippy screens are extra. Photography and video don’t go together that well. Concentrate on one thing. Pentax goes for quality and performance which is hard to find these days. For the performance we are getting, price is low or at least adequate. What a perfect camera and I am sure we have not seen everything yet.

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10-28-2020, 02:08 AM	#252
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,137	Originally posted by someasiancameraguy a K mount lens to X mount AF adapter... Yes,Id like one too. However, there are plenty of Canon EF/s adapters and there is an abundance of good used Canon glass to adapt. ---------- Post added 10-28-20 at 08:11 PM ---------- Originally posted by zapp Pentax cameras are replaced at slow pace, Slow? ---------- Post added 10-28-20 at 08:13 PM ---------- Originally posted by zapp Photography and video don’t go together that well. True for some people but many others appreciate having a high level of both.

10-28-2020, 02:35 AM - 1 Like	#253
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	Originally posted by EricBT On the Pentax site with the full spec sheet they have a drive mode called "Motion Bracketing". Anyone know what that could possibly be as I can't seem to find any references to such a mode online? I speculate: "DoF-bracketing" = Av bracketing "Motion bracketing" = Tv bracketing

10-28-2020, 02:38 AM	#254
Cynog Ap Brychan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by someasiancameraguy Plenty of forum members have stated their desire for a flippy screen and better video specs, and the Fuji X-S10 has both of these with the same sensor as the K-new in a body half the price. It even has some typical Pentax advantages (huge grip, DSLR like menus/buttons, IBIS). Unless someone really likes weather sealing or specifically looks at the viewfinder experience to see the difference between 1.05x to 0.62x magnification it's hard to see how an outsider looking to upgrade will choose Pentax. They might choose Pentax if they want a DSLR. I have been using mirrorless for some time, and yesterday bought a new Fuji X-T3 (which at £899 I think is better value than the X-S10 for me, particularly with firmware 4.0), but I will not give up my Pentaxes as I prefer the OVF experience. I intend to buy the K-3 III when it come out next year.

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Danas_Anis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 198	For those excited about 4k video addition, well it's nice but questionable. I suspect it will be just a basic implementation that comes with the new chip. Spec sheet writes that live view focusing is contrast detect only, probably means no on sensor phase detect technology present. So no advanced stuff for live view shooting. That also could be a reason why they didn't bother to put any kind swivel or vary angle screen. Although I still think that phase detect auto focus during live view would be great for those odd angle shots. No log options could also indicate that devs didn't look much into it, no HLG also indicate that 4k video is only to match spec sheet with last years commons. Anyway, exciting to see news from Pentax, should be great camera for photography, I miss the ergonomics of Pentax quite a lot. Pentax is slow to introduce things nowadays, but it puts smile and joy on me when I see news from Pentax.