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Kunzite · 03-05-2021, 04:50 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

I find your second sentence completely unrealistic. Pentax have always camera projects in progress. Or is their camera developing team unemployed?

They're playing janken* on which camera project will be next

* what we know as rock-scissors-paper

**Pål Jensen** · 03-05-2021, 05:13 AM

Originally posted by lemono

Sigma and Ricoh have that new full frame sensor.Nikon has no money for that new full frame sensor.Ricoh and Sigma have exclusive period.Sigma has held the new sensor for half a year, and still have half a year exclusive period.
That's what Sony employees told me.

Provided this is true, it means that Pentax can have a 60mp FF camera a year from now. This seems to in conflict with the notion that Pentax have no camera projects in progress....

**Serkevan** · 03-05-2021, 05:23 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Providing this is true, it means that Pentax can have a 60mp FF camera a year from now. This seems to in conflict with the notion that Pentax have no camera projects in progress....

"In progress" might mean "actively worked on to bring to production". The camera might well have the component list and specs already drafted. The pentaprism of the K-3iii might already be worked on to adjust for FF, the new mirror/shutter assemblies might be being tested, etc.

Once the basic building blocks are sorted out "the camera" can go from design to prototype fairly quickly - seeing as the AF system will likely be the K-3iii's one (therefore not needing major work), the electronics will also probably be lifted from the same camera, etc... I wouldn't worry.

repaap · 03-05-2021, 06:08 AM

This is interesting. I was bummered by the new rumour/news flash at first. This does make sense that Ooku also implied in other thread that next K-1 model would have 61 MP and there was reason for that too. Unless OoKu is Lemono or other way around, 2 with similar thoughts make it more plausible. I'm all down for waiting for new K-1, since I can't probably resist K-3III or can I?

I can also understand that 645Z successor was terminated. Probably no IBIS and GFX100s already made a big splash and they(ricoh) will probably want to see how that will float.

Interesting times!

---------- Post added 03-05-21 at 15:09 ----------

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Providing this is true, it means that Pentax can have a 60mp FF camera a year from now. This seems to in conflict with the notion that Pentax have no camera projects in progress....

Actually 6 months, if 6 months has been already used by Sigma with their exclusive 1 year tryout period.

UlrichSchiegg · 03-05-2021, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by UlrichSchiegg

Mr. Lemono is the new rumour star. Congratulation.

Originally posted by lemono

[...] No, I just hope to share some more accurate information I get with more Pentax users in this chaotic period.
If the information I get is not accurate or has no more details, I will choose to wait instead of post it.
And my English is not well,very dependent on translation machines.

I am sure you just boosted a thread that turned into a discussion without much content into the sky.

BarneyL · 03-05-2021, 06:26 AM

lemono, do you know anything about the new lenses maybe? What's in the development besides the 16-50 and 21 limited?

**Pål Jensen** · 03-05-2021, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

"In progress" might mean "actively worked on to bring to production".

I don't think anyone believes that is the case anyway. Releasing an FF body immediately after the K3III is probably not on anyone's high-probability list.....

ncallender · 03-05-2021, 06:52 AM

My bet is the k70 and KP will be merged and updated with tech from the K3iii and then the K1ii will get updated next.

lemono · 03-05-2021, 07:00 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Providing this is true, it means that Pentax can have a 60mp FF camera a year from now. This seems to in conflict with the notion that Pentax have no camera projects in progress....

I think the translation machine can not express my meaning very well.The new full frame sensor will have to wait half a year.
When I used Ricoh to get the news of the new sensor and asked if the full frame camera had started, the answer was No, still no project about it.
Now, Ricoh now has sensors cover APSC, full frame(after half a year), 44x33, but still no information can show us what is next camera.It can be confirmed that the full frame camera project has not started yet.
So, that's all I know. My guess is K-90, but it could also be K-1III. And the status may soon be changed in just a few weeks. It's like new 645 camera was suddenly suspended.

---------- Post added 03-05-21 at 07:12 AM ----------

Originally posted by BarneyL

lemono, do you know anything about the new lenses maybe? What's in the development besides the 16-50 and 21 limited?

DA*16-50plm already on the way.DFA21 have some minor problems, but I can not get more details about "problems", although I repeated inquiries.The confidentiality of dfa21 is much higher than I expected.
The information about dfa21 comes from photographers close to Ricoh.

thibs · 03-05-2021, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by lemono

When the k3III goes on sale, Ricoh will not get the full frame sensor. Unless Ricoh deliberately shut down for a while to wait for a new sensor, the new full frame camera will appear later than the successor of K-70. And new 645 camera of originally scheduled for release this year, has actually been discontinued. The impact of gfx100s on Ricoh is too big. Ricoh has to readjust their plan.
Of course, it is also possible that the successors of K-70 and K-1 will develop at the same time and release them in diferrent time.(K-70 and K-1 were release in the same year)

Is the K70 EOL'ed ?
We know the KP is, hence, the KP may be replaced before the K70 (if it is replaced at all).

**Serkevan** · 03-05-2021, 09:47 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by thibs

Is the K70 EOL'ed ?
We know the KP is, hence, the KP may be replaced before the K70 (if it is replaced at all).

Or the product lines get consolidated into one entry-level camera (KP-level construction, K-70 features and body?).

texandrews · 03-05-2021, 10:56 AM

I am certainly hoping this news about a 645Z successor is not true, and that the next FF camera also comes sooner that what seems to be indicated here.

reh321 · 03-05-2021, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by texandrews

I am certainly hoping this news about a 645Z successor is not true, and that the next FF camera also comes sooner that what seems to be indicated here.

Ricoh/Pentax has shown real reluctance to talk about the '645Z' for the past few years, so they may be very ambivalent about continuing it - especially now that the K-1ii has "dynamic pixel shift".

Tesla · 03-05-2021, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by repaap

...
I can also understand that 645Z successor was terminated. Probably no IBIS and GFX100s already made a big splash and they(ricoh) will probably want to see how that will float.

Interesting times!
...

Yes, the FUJIFILM GFX 100S is an amazing camera!

biz-engineer · 03-05-2021, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Ricoh/Pentax has shown real reluctance to talk about the '645Z' for the past few years, so they may be very ambivalent about continuing it - especially now that the K-1ii has "dynamic pixel shift".

Well. Ricoh could have a reason for not investing in 645z. With a Pentax K1 , good glass and pixel shift (or SR, depending on cases) is still smaller and cheaper than a 645z kit, and in many cases deliver images as good or better.

03-05-2021, 05:13 AM	#122
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by lemono Sigma and Ricoh have that new full frame sensor.Nikon has no money for that new full frame sensor.Ricoh and Sigma have exclusive period.Sigma has held the new sensor for half a year, and still have half a year exclusive period. That's what Sony employees told me. Provided this is true, it means that Pentax can have a 60mp FF camera a year from now. This seems to in conflict with the notion that Pentax have no camera projects in progress.... Last edited by Pål Jensen; 03-05-2021 at 09:37 AM.

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03-05-2021, 04:50 AM - 1 Like	#121
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Pål Jensen I find your second sentence completely unrealistic. Pentax have always camera projects in progress. Or is their camera developing team unemployed? They're playing janken* on which camera project will be next * what we know as rock-scissors-paper

03-05-2021, 05:23 AM - 1 Like	#123
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Pål Jensen Providing this is true, it means that Pentax can have a 60mp FF camera a year from now. This seems to in conflict with the notion that Pentax have no camera projects in progress.... "In progress" might mean "actively worked on to bring to production". The camera might well have the component list and specs already drafted. The pentaprism of the K-3iii might already be worked on to adjust for FF, the new mirror/shutter assemblies might be being tested, etc. Once the basic building blocks are sorted out "the camera" can go from design to prototype fairly quickly - seeing as the AF system will likely be the K-3iii's one (therefore not needing major work), the electronics will also probably be lifted from the same camera, etc... I wouldn't worry.

03-05-2021, 06:08 AM	#124
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	This is interesting. I was bummered by the new rumour/news flash at first. This does make sense that Ooku also implied in other thread that next K-1 model would have 61 MP and there was reason for that too. Unless OoKu is Lemono or other way around, 2 with similar thoughts make it more plausible. I'm all down for waiting for new K-1, since I can't probably resist K-3III or can I? I can also understand that 645Z successor was terminated. Probably no IBIS and GFX100s already made a big splash and they(ricoh) will probably want to see how that will float. Interesting times! ---------- Post added 03-05-21 at 15:09 ---------- Originally posted by Pål Jensen Providing this is true, it means that Pentax can have a 60mp FF camera a year from now. This seems to in conflict with the notion that Pentax have no camera projects in progress.... Actually 6 months, if 6 months has been already used by Sigma with their exclusive 1 year tryout period.

03-05-2021, 06:21 AM	#125
UlrichSchiegg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 298	Originally posted by UlrichSchiegg Mr. Lemono is the new rumour star. Congratulation. Originally posted by lemono [...] No, I just hope to share some more accurate information I get with more Pentax users in this chaotic period. If the information I get is not accurate or has no more details, I will choose to wait instead of post it. And my English is not well,very dependent on translation machines. I am sure you just boosted a thread that turned into a discussion without much content into the sky.

03-05-2021, 06:26 AM	#126
BarneyL Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 900	lemono, do you know anything about the new lenses maybe? What's in the development besides the 16-50 and 21 limited?

03-05-2021, 06:44 AM	#127
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by Serkevan "In progress" might mean "actively worked on to bring to production". I don't think anyone believes that is the case anyway. Releasing an FF body immediately after the K3III is probably not on anyone's high-probability list.....

03-05-2021, 06:52 AM	#128
ncallender Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 128	My bet is the k70 and KP will be merged and updated with tech from the K3iii and then the K1ii will get updated next.

03-05-2021, 07:00 AM - 3 Likes	#129
lemono Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 111	Originally posted by Pål Jensen Providing this is true, it means that Pentax can have a 60mp FF camera a year from now. This seems to in conflict with the notion that Pentax have no camera projects in progress.... I think the translation machine can not express my meaning very well.The new full frame sensor will have to wait half a year. When I used Ricoh to get the news of the new sensor and asked if the full frame camera had started, the answer was No, still no project about it. Now, Ricoh now has sensors cover APSC, full frame(after half a year), 44x33, but still no information can show us what is next camera.It can be confirmed that the full frame camera project has not started yet. So, that's all I know. My guess is K-90, but it could also be K-1III. And the status may soon be changed in just a few weeks. It's like new 645 camera was suddenly suspended. ---------- Post added 03-05-21 at 07:12 AM ---------- Originally posted by BarneyL lemono, do you know anything about the new lenses maybe? What's in the development besides the 16-50 and 21 limited? DA*16-50plm already on the way.DFA21 have some minor problems, but I can not get more details about "problems", although I repeated inquiries.The confidentiality of dfa21 is much higher than I expected. The information about dfa21 comes from photographers close to Ricoh.

03-05-2021, 09:23 AM	#130
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by lemono When the k3III goes on sale, Ricoh will not get the full frame sensor. Unless Ricoh deliberately shut down for a while to wait for a new sensor, the new full frame camera will appear later than the successor of K-70. And new 645 camera of originally scheduled for release this year, has actually been discontinued. The impact of gfx100s on Ricoh is too big. Ricoh has to readjust their plan. Of course, it is also possible that the successors of K-70 and K-1 will develop at the same time and release them in diferrent time.(K-70 and K-1 were release in the same year) Is the K70 EOL'ed ? We know the KP is, hence, the KP may be replaced before the K70 (if it is replaced at all).

03-05-2021, 09:47 AM - 2 Likes	#131
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by thibs Is the K70 EOL'ed ? We know the KP is, hence, the KP may be replaced before the K70 (if it is replaced at all). Or the product lines get consolidated into one entry-level camera (KP-level construction, K-70 features and body?).

03-05-2021, 10:56 AM	#132
texandrews Moderator Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Baltimore Photos: Albums Posts: 3,400	I am certainly hoping this news about a 645Z successor is not true, and that the next FF camera also comes sooner that what seems to be indicated here.

03-05-2021, 12:46 PM	#133
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,186	Originally posted by texandrews I am certainly hoping this news about a 645Z successor is not true, and that the next FF camera also comes sooner that what seems to be indicated here. Ricoh/Pentax has shown real reluctance to talk about the '645Z' for the past few years, so they may be very ambivalent about continuing it - especially now that the K-1ii has "dynamic pixel shift".

03-05-2021, 01:56 PM	#134
Tesla Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Washington State Posts: 589	Originally posted by repaap ... I can also understand that 645Z successor was terminated. Probably no IBIS and GFX100s already made a big splash and they(ricoh) will probably want to see how that will float. Interesting times! ... Yes, the FUJIFILM GFX 100S is an amazing camera!

03-05-2021, 02:22 PM	#135
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,253	Originally posted by reh321 Ricoh/Pentax has shown real reluctance to talk about the '645Z' for the past few years, so they may be very ambivalent about continuing it - especially now that the K-1ii has "dynamic pixel shift". Well. Ricoh could have a reason for not investing in 645z. With a Pentax K1 , good glass and pixel shift (or SR, depending on cases) is still smaller and cheaper than a 645z kit, and in many cases deliver images as good or better.

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