2021 CP+ going online only

JPT · 03-10-2021, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by texandrews

Perfect board room manure! If that is true, it explains a lot. Overestimating your potential buyers can be a disaster, but so can not thinking beyond the inside of your window. Compelling to whom? Pretty damn compelling to those of us outside of Japan. Especially if it had PS. I might be more interested in a 100mp crop frame camera that has it than a FF one w/o.I agree with you that a FF model would be new, and would immediately differentiate Pentax from Fuji, its main competitor here. And I hope that they see the value of supporting the system beyond those elderly Japanese guys....

OK. I should probably keep my opinions about systems I don't use to myself. This was just my observation and it's not necessarily how Ricoh views the system.

I think you use your 645 equipment for museum/archival work. I know that Ricoh is aware of that category of users because they had a booth at CP+ a few years ago showing how the 645z is used for that kind of work.

house · 03-11-2021, 12:46 AM - **1 Like**

In one of the new cp+ videos they show the new da* 16-50. It looks like a slightly shortened dfa 70-200. Not a lens for me but looking forward to seeing how it performs.

https://youtu.be/snQ5bF71bLQ?t=3776

*changed youtube link to correct time

texandrews · 03-11-2021, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

There’s a scenario that could be appealing to a broad range of photographers with the 645Z and a couple of its developments, which is to keep the present 645Z (assuming the sensor can continue to be had, and I think I read somewhere that it might not be) as a cheaper entry-level MF body (as they did with the 645D for a while), but provide a couple of variants: one with the higher pixel-count crop sensor plus PS and the other with a full-frame sensor. Both of the latter would benefit from the improved AF system in the K-3iii (the eye AF would be good for portraiture) and the better glass in the prism.

I see it exactly this way as well. It might even be possible to tweak the "low end" Z just a bit to make it more attractive

Quote:

Whether or not their margin on sales would be attractive enough to invest in the redesign is the question, but that would involve the transition of existing systems or components to an existing and fairly capacious body, rather than ground-up design on all counts, which would have to be considerably more expensive.

Yes again. I'll add that their capacity to have 3 medium format bodies at the same time may also be a question, and then there is the matter of what sensor to put in the low end model, as it may be the existing one is no longer made. And I feel the same way about the lenses---I'd wager there are ways to improve the existing models w/o a ground up re-design, and maybe a way to make a higher end version of a couple. I've already discussed elsewhere the possibility of using the 6x7 45 as a base for a tilt-shift lens.

Quote:

Of course, you can imagine more sophisticated variants with removable viewfinders, like the 67 bodies or the LX, but there’d be a lot more development involved, and I doubt there’d be sufficient of a market to justify it.

no....but worth thinking about....

house · 03-11-2021, 11:28 AM - **6 Likes**

some images of the da*16-50 from the above linked video

mee · 03-11-2021, 11:31 AM

Looks huge. Likely optically pleasant. I wonder how much coverage is available on full frame?

house · 03-11-2021, 11:38 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mee

I wonder how much coverage is available on full frame?

haha, the typical crazy pentaxian question. Judging from previous discussions pentaxians will view it as near flawless on FF, just a bit of vignetting wide open...

it *will* probably we way better on FF that most of the vintage lenses people rave about. That doesn't say much though. You will pay an awful lot of money for that vignetting wide open.

**jersey** · 03-11-2021, 11:50 AM

HUGE. Or the camera is so small, but last pic. Nope, huge. I think I go 20-40 Ltd. instead. Still probably will be great lens for people who need such.

BTW - anyone knows what the heck is that know on pentaprism? Above SR button?

**mlt** · 03-11-2021, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by jersey

HUGE. Or the camera is so small, but last pic. Nope, huge. I think I go 20-40 Ltd. instead. Still probably will be great lens for people who need such.

BTW - anyone knows what the heck is that know on pentaprism? Above SR button?

That should be the flash pc plug

repaap · 03-11-2021, 01:00 PM

It does not look so much larger than original 16-50. just a tad. Focus ring is bigger. DA*16-50 SDM is not so 'small' either. It does fit well to my hand actually.

**ffking** · 03-11-2021, 01:41 PM

That looks like some serious image-making is going to happen

repaap · 03-11-2021, 01:45 PM

If I’ll have this in the other shoulder 16-50 plm + K-3III and DFA*70-200 +K-1 on the other shoulder, it would make nice combo for many events

them(lenses) having similar look would be so nice.

house · 03-11-2021, 02:11 PM

Do we know if it's an internal zoom?

angerdan · 03-11-2021, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by house

Do we know if it's an internal zoom?

I'd post an answer in the dedicated thread about the new HD DA* 16-50mm PLM AW:
HD Pentax DA * 16-50mm F2.8ED PLM AW is the second one. - Page 4 - PentaxForums.com

mtkeller · 03-11-2021, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by jersey

HUGE. Or the camera is so small, but last pic. Nope, huge. I think I go 20-40 Ltd. instead. Still probably will be great lens for people who need such.

This is what I’m thinking right now. Focus on the 20-40 Ltd is fast and quiet, and I’m rarely wanting f/2.8. Light and compact is important to me at that focal length. Keep saving to dump the Sigma 10-20 f/3.5 for the DA* 11-18.

**Nakedgun** · 03-11-2021, 09:10 PM

I'm sure this will be nice, but I will wait for testing against the Sigma 17-50.

03-11-2021, 12:46 AM - 1 Like	#227
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	In one of the new cp+ videos they show the new da* 16-50. It looks like a slightly shortened dfa 70-200. Not a lens for me but looking forward to seeing how it performs. https://youtu.be/snQ5bF71bLQ?t=3776 changed youtube link to correct time Last edited by house; 03-11-2021 at 10:51 AM.*

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03-10-2021, 06:57 PM	#226
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Originally posted by texandrews Perfect board room manure! If that is true, it explains a lot. Overestimating your potential buyers can be a disaster, but so can not thinking beyond the inside of your window. Compelling to whom? Pretty damn compelling to those of us outside of Japan. Especially if it had PS. I might be more interested in a 100mp crop frame camera that has it than a FF one w/o.I agree with you that a FF model would be new, and would immediately differentiate Pentax from Fuji, its main competitor here. And I hope that they see the value of supporting the system beyond those elderly Japanese guys.... OK. I should probably keep my opinions about systems I don't use to myself. This was just my observation and it's not necessarily how Ricoh views the system. I think you use your 645 equipment for museum/archival work. I know that Ricoh is aware of that category of users because they had a booth at CP+ a few years ago showing how the 645z is used for that kind of work.

03-11-2021, 08:41 AM	#228
texandrews Moderator Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Baltimore Photos: Albums Posts: 3,390	Originally posted by RobA_Oz There’s a scenario that could be appealing to a broad range of photographers with the 645Z and a couple of its developments, which is to keep the present 645Z (assuming the sensor can continue to be had, and I think I read somewhere that it might not be) as a cheaper entry-level MF body (as they did with the 645D for a while), but provide a couple of variants: one with the higher pixel-count crop sensor plus PS and the other with a full-frame sensor. Both of the latter would benefit from the improved AF system in the K-3iii (the eye AF would be good for portraiture) and the better glass in the prism. I see it exactly this way as well. It might even be possible to tweak the "low end" Z just a bit to make it more attractive Quote: Whether or not their margin on sales would be attractive enough to invest in the redesign is the question, but that would involve the transition of existing systems or components to an existing and fairly capacious body, rather than ground-up design on all counts, which would have to be considerably more expensive. Yes again. I'll add that their capacity to have 3 medium format bodies at the same time may also be a question, and then there is the matter of what sensor to put in the low end model, as it may be the existing one is no longer made. And I feel the same way about the lenses---I'd wager there are ways to improve the existing models w/o a ground up re-design, and maybe a way to make a higher end version of a couple. I've already discussed elsewhere the possibility of using the 6x7 45 as a base for a tilt-shift lens. Quote: Of course, you can imagine more sophisticated variants with removable viewfinders, like the 67 bodies or the LX, but there’d be a lot more development involved, and I doubt there’d be sufficient of a market to justify it. no....but worth thinking about....

03-11-2021, 11:28 AM - 6 Likes	#229
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	some images of the da*16-50 from the above linked video

03-11-2021, 11:31 AM	#230
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Looks huge. Likely optically pleasant. I wonder how much coverage is available on full frame?

03-11-2021, 11:38 AM - 1 Like	#231
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by mee I wonder how much coverage is available on full frame? haha, the typical crazy pentaxian question. Judging from previous discussions pentaxians will view it as near flawless on FF, just a bit of vignetting wide open... it will probably we way better on FF that most of the vintage lenses people rave about. That doesn't say much though. You will pay an awful lot of money for that vignetting wide open.

03-11-2021, 11:50 AM	#232
jersey Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: 3City agglomeration Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,054	HUGE. Or the camera is so small, but last pic. Nope, huge. I think I go 20-40 Ltd. instead. Still probably will be great lens for people who need such. BTW - anyone knows what the heck is that know on pentaprism? Above SR button?

03-11-2021, 12:03 PM	#233
mlt Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,159 Original Poster	Originally posted by jersey HUGE. Or the camera is so small, but last pic. Nope, huge. I think I go 20-40 Ltd. instead. Still probably will be great lens for people who need such. BTW - anyone knows what the heck is that know on pentaprism? Above SR button? That should be the flash pc plug

03-11-2021, 01:00 PM	#234
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	It does not look so much larger than original 16-50. just a tad. Focus ring is bigger. DA*16-50 SDM is not so 'small' either. It does fit well to my hand actually.

03-11-2021, 01:41 PM	#235
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	That looks like some serious image-making is going to happen

03-11-2021, 01:45 PM	#236
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	If I’ll have this in the other shoulder 16-50 plm + K-3III and DFA*70-200 +K-1 on the other shoulder, it would make nice combo for many events them(lenses) having similar look would be so nice.

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03-11-2021, 02:11 PM	#237
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Do we know if it's an internal zoom?

03-11-2021, 02:26 PM	#238
angerdan Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,639	Originally posted by house Do we know if it's an internal zoom? I'd post an answer in the dedicated thread about the new HD DA* 16-50mm PLM AW: HD Pentax DA * 16-50mm F2.8ED PLM AW is the second one. - Page 4 - PentaxForums.com

03-11-2021, 04:38 PM	#239
mtkeller Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Sioux City, IA Photos: Gallery Posts: 938	Originally posted by jersey HUGE. Or the camera is so small, but last pic. Nope, huge. I think I go 20-40 Ltd. instead. Still probably will be great lens for people who need such. This is what I’m thinking right now. Focus on the 20-40 Ltd is fast and quiet, and I’m rarely wanting f/2.8. Light and compact is important to me at that focal length. Keep saving to dump the Sigma 10-20 f/3.5 for the DA* 11-18.

03-11-2021, 09:10 PM	#240
Nakedgun Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Southwest Posts: 1,365	I'm sure this will be nice, but I will wait for testing against the Sigma 17-50.