Originally posted by Breakfastographer You realise that by replying to it, you're also continuing that discussion, right?
But to diffuse this new payload, there was also a time when people started buying cars or bikes with gears, after not buying them before. I hope this shows that this line of investigation gets us nowhere, and we can stop there.
It didn't stop there though, many others chose to keep expressing their disappointments.
As you say, cars and bikes didn't have gears, earlier Pentax cameras didn't have so many AF points, or a dedicated joystick to control them, or as many megapikles in a aps-c, or the best ever OVF in a aps-c camera.
only reason I'm responding, is to address the comments made after this.
Originally posted by normhead Expressing my disappointment. Given the numbers of times I've been branded a Pentax fanboy.....
I guess this thread is just for prospective purchasers.
Why is important, why not? isn't I get it.
And as for bashing the brand... biggest joke of the day. They made a mistake, that's all. I'll wait until they correct it in K-3iii 0.1.
There you go, bashing it again.
" They made a mistake, that's all. I'll wait until they correct it in K-3iii 0.1"
Just like you did to the K-1, I do have a memory, and remember all your comments as to why aps-c so so much better than FF,why you wouldn't get a FF, and the pixel density of the crop frame and frame rate ect ect ect, rememeber that???? and even your signature that stated all formats had there compromises, and aps-c was your choice, then, later you bought a K-1 and changed your signature.
No need to answer or deny it, we both know the truth of that.
and just for the record , from the dictionary
Deny - state that one refuses to admit the truth or existence of.
Originally posted by bxf Norm is sometimes vocal, and sometimes even abrasive
, and he has been lamenting the absence of a feature that he considers important for his use. I have not seen where he bashes Pentax.
He says , It's a mistake, he says the Nikon D500 is the only viable option.
A flippy screen, in a Camera designed to be a sports and action camera...... a sports and action camera with Pentax's best ever aps-c OVF and Pentax's best ever AF with 101 focus points...........
Lets read on..
Originally posted by normhead The K-3 is reduced to action and bird photography. I'm looking or camera that can do what both my K-3 and K-1 can do. Cameras like D500 remains the only viable looking option if I really want to go that route.
Maybe Pentax can make a go with this, cutting features from the K-3 series, maybe they can't. It's a gamble. Personally, I won't pay the projected price increase for a camera missing features I want. The question is will there be enough Pentax buyers to make this camera profitable if buyers like myself don't buy in. You assume there will be. They could also be an exodus of people moving to D500s. What we want is available, just not from Pentax.. But not for me.
"Nikon D500", Still , more expensive than the projected price of the K-3iii, yet, no astrotracer, and only aps-c.... yet you want the features of both the K-3 and K-1.
"Cutting features from the K-3 series."...... K-3 series, never had a flippy screen, K-3ii cut onboard flash, and put a GPS and astrotracer function onboard, obviously a step down from the K-3, it had a flash.
"Exodus of people leaving Pentax, Nikon is a better option, too expensive. K-3 is reduced to action and bird photography...Will there be enough people to buy this camera.."
Yes, there will be enough buying this camera, including Norm, later on, when he buys it.
Funny, in all the pre-release advertising for the K-3iii, OVF orientated , action and sports camera, that's exactly what they say they are making in the K-3iii. this is obviously about sports and action photography, with the latest AF , 101 focus points, a dedicated joystick for controlling the AF , the best ever OVF in a aps-c camera.... best ever OVF ...... Optical View Finder.... Liveview.... obviously, not an issue in the design of the camera.
Originally posted by Rondec I don't think he (or most of the others) are "bashing" Pentax. They are among the crowd who show up for any new piece of gear or glass to say, "This doesn't interest me so it probably won't sell well."
This has been true of every new release recently. K-1 II (not enough improvement over the K-1 and did I mention how terrible the accelerator is?), KP (horrible ergonomics and can you believe they took away a card slot?), DFA *50 (can you believe the size of this piece of glass and who in their right mind would pay over a thousand dollars for a fast 50? My FA 50 cost 200 dollars!), and now the K-3 III. I don't think Pentax is going to sell tons of them -- mainly because the price is going to be pretty high. At the same time, I expect them to actually turn a profit on each one they do sell and that is the more important thing.
We have seen from Olympus that selling lots of well reviewed cameras at a loss is a recipe for disaster. Better to sell fewer and actually turn a profit on those.
Firstly, Rondec, I highly respect you as a forum member and have always been a watcher of your posts, and your takeup on new gear .
You , were a first uptaker of the DFA 24-70, when it was only a aps-c option, no K-1 released.
K-1ii, has been a very high high seller, bringing many from the other brands to Pentax, the accelerator, is now a mute point, look at the baked in raw in Nikon and Canon Mirrorless cameras ... are you really that unsatisfied with your K-1ii????? I've seen so , so many stunning photos from the K-1ii I'm both unsure it"s such a issue and whatever Pentax has done, is all about photos.
KP, I believe there would be more than a few, heck, 1000's that would say the ergonomics are are anything but horrible..., and it has a flippy screen. I would have one yesterday, but, I just don't have the extra money.
I , bought the DFA 50/1.4. It's stunning, Have you seen the price and size of the latest high end ( high end ) 50mm/1.4 lenses from Nikon and Canon, and Sony? Also, have you seen the sales of the DFA85/1.4 ???
Pentax , will sell lots of this camera, and with so many users from Nikon and Canon, being unhappy with the shift to mirrrorless as a focus, we may very well see even more people migrating over to Pentax. With all the features tested in the K-3ii, that melded into the K-1 , imagine the what is coming in the K-1-iii
And , Yes, Pentax will turn a profit from its sales,
I'm sorry if I have offended anybody by my comments, but, I'm just calling it as I see it .
Lets all just wait till this camera actually gets released, lets see what it actually is. Lets not be daisy cutters before it sees the light of day.