Albert Siegel | K-3 Mark III Hands-On

**Madaboutpix** · 01-05-2021, 09:44 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Larrymc

Or you could just use DXO PhotoLab 4.1.1 and crank up the DeepPrime AI noise reduction and not worrying about having to brush anything thing to get excellent High ISO images. I still haven't really started cranking my K-3 ISO up much but PL has made my processing so much easier and shortens my time in front of my laptop. Its hard to start getting used to shooting at the upper useable ISO range.....Old habits are hard to break

Exactly. Except that I'm usually happy with what I get with DeepPrime at the magic-wand default levels, so no need to unduly sacrifice detail at all IMO. All three shot with my K-3 at ISO 5000:

That said, can't wait to see what will be possible with the K-3 III in the high-ISO department ...

**Larrymc** · 01-05-2021, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by reh321

The astronomer web-site didn't see any detail lost
Pentax K-1 Mark II Astrophotography Review – Lonely Speck

RE, the K-1II never entered the discussion, we were discussing DXO PhotoLab 4.1.1 DeepPrime noise reduction not the capabilities of the K-1II. Thanks for posting the link though.

reh321 · 01-05-2021, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by Larrymc

RE, the K-1II never entered the discussion, we were discussing DXO PhotoLab 4.1.1 DeepPrime noise reduction not the capabilities of the K-1II. Thanks for posting the link though.

A deep discussion of "PP" is inappropriate here, so I thought this discussion was primarily about what the 'accelerator' leaves to be done.
My point is that - based on past experience - no noise will remain up to about ISO 200K, and no details will be erased.

gatorguy · 01-05-2021, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by Larrymc

RE, the K-1II never entered the discussion, we were discussing DXO PhotoLab 4.1.1 DeepPrime noise reduction not the capabilities of the K-1II. Thanks for posting the link though.

You were also discussing it off-topic in a K3III thread. Please note my previous post referring you to our forum section on
Digital Processing, Software, and Printing - PentaxForums.com
if you wish to continue the DxO discussion.

gazonk · 01-05-2021, 10:04 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Larrymc

I think you will be pleasantly surprised with PhotoLab 4.1.1

I've just started using PhotoLab 4, and the noise reduction is mind blowing. I've just started re-processing some old K10D pictures shot at ISO 800 and 1600, and now I can lift the shadows somewhat without destroying the images with noise!

**Larrymc** · 01-05-2021, 10:05 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Madaboutpix

Exactly. Except that I'm usually happy with what I get with DeepPrime at the magic-wand default levels, so no need to unduly sacrifice detail at all IMO. All three shot with my K-3 at ISO 5000:

That said, can't wait to see what will be possible with the K-3 III in the high-ISO department ...

Marc, you images are great examples of what DeepPrime at the default setting can do! This breathes new life into cameras like the K-3 and if the K-3 A/F and tracking were more capable I wouldn't even consider the K-3 MkIII right now but I am looking forward to the K-3 MkIII too!!

gatorguy · 01-05-2021, 10:06 AM

...Final warning on the discussion of photo processing in this thread before posts get removed and warnings meted out.

**Madaboutpix** · 01-05-2021, 10:19 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by gatorguy

...Final warning on the discussion of photo processing in this thread before posts get removed.

Sorry, just couldn't resist. I usually try to stay on topic. With its BSI sensor, Accelerator Unit and all, I wouldn't be surprised if the K-3 III gave us 1 or 2 stops more of perfectly usuable high-ISO room. (Mere speculation at this point, of course.)

**Larrymc** · 01-05-2021, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by gatorguy

...Final warning on the discussion of photo processing in this thread before posts get removed and warnings meted out.

Shut it down, this thread hasn't been on topic for at least 15 pages with multiple guilty parties discussing all sorts of off topic subjects.

Wheatfield · 01-05-2021, 03:50 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by nzondlo

**inappropriate comment deleted by mod**

This should be interesting.......

gatorguy · 01-05-2021, 04:20 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by Wheatfield

This should be interesting.......

Sometimes it's just better to ignore a comment or two

My wife tells her friends that's how we've managed to make it past 25 years without a lethal incident.

Class A · 01-05-2021, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Rondec

if you need that sort of speed then it will still be better to go with APS-C.

Or you use an FF camera in crop mode.

Even the K-1 II sports a decent 6.5fps when used in APS-C mode.

Personally, I hope it won't take too long for Ricoh to produce a successor to the K-1 II.

reh321 · 01-05-2021, 08:04 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by Wheatfield

This should be interesting.......

I hope not.

I was active in another photo discussion forum in which "moderation" was vested only in the owner.
He treated it as a 9-to-5 job, and as a result little was moderate except when he was around.
The atmosphere is much better here.

added: No, I didn't post this as a means of currying favor with the moderators, but I do think they do a good job, and I don't say that nearly often enough, so I'll take this opportunity to say so despite the times I create work for them to do.

**Rondec** · 01-06-2021, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by Class A

Or you use an FF camera in crop mode.

Even the K-1 II sports a decent 6.5fps when used in APS-C mode.

Personally, I hope it won't take too long for Ricoh to produce a successor to the K-1 II.

Sure. I still expect the K-3 III to be faster than the K-1 III, even in crop mode. I don't happen to need really fast frame rates. If they just take care of the slow buffer issues with the K-1 I would be fine with it. I know they'll add other things as well, but I am not an action photographer by any means.

reh321 · 01-12-2021, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

Sure. I still expect the K-3 III to be faster than the K-1 III, even in crop mode. I don't happen to need really fast frame rates. If they just take care of the slow buffer issues with the K-1 I would be fine with it. I know they'll add other things as well, but I am not an action photographer by any means.

I suspect that the "slow buffer" issues are connected to the processor.
Hopefully the K-3iii uses a new processor, which will propagate through new camera bodies.

01-05-2021, 09:56 AM	#228
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by Larrymc RE, the K-1II never entered the discussion, we were discussing DXO PhotoLab 4.1.1 DeepPrime noise reduction not the capabilities of the K-1II. Thanks for posting the link though. A deep discussion of "PP" is inappropriate here, so I thought this discussion was primarily about what the 'accelerator' leaves to be done. My point is that - based on past experience - no noise will remain up to about ISO 200K, and no details will be erased. Last edited by reh321; 01-05-2021 at 10:44 AM.

01-05-2021, 03:50 PM - 3 Likes	#235
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,987	Originally posted by nzondlo inappropriate comment deleted by mod This should be interesting....... Last edited by Parallax; 01-05-2021 at 04:28 PM.

01-05-2021, 08:04 PM - 4 Likes	#238
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by Wheatfield This should be interesting....... I hope not. I was active in another photo discussion forum in which "moderation" was vested only in the owner. He treated it as a 9-to-5 job, and as a result little was moderate except when he was around. The atmosphere is much better here. added: No, I didn't post this as a means of currying favor with the moderators, but I do think they do a good job, and I don't say that nearly often enough, so I'll take this opportunity to say so despite the times I create work for them to do. Last edited by reh321; 01-05-2021 at 08:46 PM.

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01-05-2021, 09:44 AM - 1 Like	#226
Madaboutpix Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Rhine-Westphalia Posts: 1,446	Originally posted by Larrymc Or you could just use DXO PhotoLab 4.1.1 and crank up the DeepPrime AI noise reduction and not worrying about having to brush anything thing to get excellent High ISO images. I still haven't really started cranking my K-3 ISO up much but PL has made my processing so much easier and shortens my time in front of my laptop. Its hard to start getting used to shooting at the upper useable ISO range.....Old habits are hard to break Exactly. Except that I'm usually happy with what I get with DeepPrime at the magic-wand default levels, so no need to unduly sacrifice detail at all IMO. All three shot with my K-3 at ISO 5000: That said, can't wait to see what will be possible with the K-3 III in the high-ISO department ...

01-05-2021, 09:53 AM	#227
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by reh321 The astronomer web-site didn't see any detail lost Pentax K-1 Mark II Astrophotography Review – Lonely Speck RE, the K-1II never entered the discussion, we were discussing DXO PhotoLab 4.1.1 DeepPrime noise reduction not the capabilities of the K-1II. Thanks for posting the link though.

01-05-2021, 09:56 AM	#229
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,094	Originally posted by Larrymc RE, the K-1II never entered the discussion, we were discussing DXO PhotoLab 4.1.1 DeepPrime noise reduction not the capabilities of the K-1II. Thanks for posting the link though. You were also discussing it off-topic in a K3III thread. Please note my previous post referring you to our forum section on Digital Processing, Software, and Printing - PentaxForums.com if you wish to continue the DxO discussion.

01-05-2021, 10:04 AM - 2 Likes	#230
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Larrymc I think you will be pleasantly surprised with PhotoLab 4.1.1 I've just started using PhotoLab 4, and the noise reduction is mind blowing. I've just started re-processing some old K10D pictures shot at ISO 800 and 1600, and now I can lift the shadows somewhat without destroying the images with noise!

01-05-2021, 10:05 AM - 1 Like	#231
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by Madaboutpix Exactly. Except that I'm usually happy with what I get with DeepPrime at the magic-wand default levels, so no need to unduly sacrifice detail at all IMO. All three shot with my K-3 at ISO 5000: That said, can't wait to see what will be possible with the K-3 III in the high-ISO department ... Marc, you images are great examples of what DeepPrime at the default setting can do! This breathes new life into cameras like the K-3 and if the K-3 A/F and tracking were more capable I wouldn't even consider the K-3 MkIII right now but I am looking forward to the K-3 MkIII too!!

01-05-2021, 10:06 AM	#232
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,094	...Final warning on the discussion of photo processing in this thread before posts get removed and warnings meted out.

01-05-2021, 10:19 AM - 2 Likes	#233
Madaboutpix Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Rhine-Westphalia Posts: 1,446	Originally posted by gatorguy ...Final warning on the discussion of photo processing in this thread before posts get removed. Sorry, just couldn't resist. I usually try to stay on topic. With its BSI sensor, Accelerator Unit and all, I wouldn't be surprised if the K-3 III gave us 1 or 2 stops more of perfectly usuable high-ISO room. (Mere speculation at this point, of course.)

01-05-2021, 11:16 AM	#234
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by gatorguy ...Final warning on the discussion of photo processing in this thread before posts get removed and warnings meted out. Shut it down, this thread hasn't been on topic for at least 15 pages with multiple guilty parties discussing all sorts of off topic subjects.

01-05-2021, 04:20 PM - 4 Likes	#236
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,094	Originally posted by Wheatfield This should be interesting....... Sometimes it's just better to ignore a comment or two My wife tells her friends that's how we've managed to make it past 25 years without a lethal incident.

01-05-2021, 05:52 PM	#237
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by Rondec if you need that sort of speed then it will still be better to go with APS-C. Or you use an FF camera in crop mode. Even the K-1 II sports a decent 6.5fps when used in APS-C mode. Personally, I hope it won't take too long for Ricoh to produce a successor to the K-1 II.

01-06-2021, 03:43 AM	#239
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,663	Originally posted by Class A Or you use an FF camera in crop mode. Even the K-1 II sports a decent 6.5fps when used in APS-C mode. Personally, I hope it won't take too long for Ricoh to produce a successor to the K-1 II. Sure. I still expect the K-3 III to be faster than the K-1 III, even in crop mode. I don't happen to need really fast frame rates. If they just take care of the slow buffer issues with the K-1 I would be fine with it. I know they'll add other things as well, but I am not an action photographer by any means.

01-12-2021, 09:00 AM	#240
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by Rondec Sure. I still expect the K-3 III to be faster than the K-1 III, even in crop mode. I don't happen to need really fast frame rates. If they just take care of the slow buffer issues with the K-1 I would be fine with it. I know they'll add other things as well, but I am not an action photographer by any means. I suspect that the "slow buffer" issues are connected to the processor. Hopefully the K-3iii uses a new processor, which will propagate through new camera bodies.