K3III Delayed... indefinitely

starjedi · 02-17-2021, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Larrymc

Pure speculation on your part.

Ah, see the announcement “the judgment that it will take some time to achieve high performance and high quality suitable for the APS-C flagship model, we have decided to release it. I decided to change it.” I speculate from here...

Last edited by Sandy Hancock; 02-18-2021 at 02:56 AM. Reason: Quoted rudeness

**Larrymc** · 02-17-2021, 07:57 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mtkeller

The camera has been sent for certification. They’re not doing any redesign on it. This is purely down to getting the quality of parts that they were planning to use at a sufficient rate to produce the cameras. (For instance, not suddenly having to go the cheap route on something crucial like, I don’t know, part of the aperture control.)

Well stated!!

reh321 · 02-17-2021, 07:58 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Fenwoodian

2. Now they've got time to rethink the lack of a tilting LCD screen and will have the time to redesign the current non-movable one with this in demand feature

If you want a “flippy” LCD, get a KP tomorrow - the K-3iii is not going to change while they wait for parts to arrive {then they would have to order a new case and would just have another thing to wait for}

stevebrot · 02-17-2021, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by Larrymc

Pure speculation on your part.

Go easy! Being a ray of sunshine and good news is a hard job!

Steve

Last edited by Sandy Hancock; 02-18-2021 at 02:56 AM.

RobG · 02-17-2021, 08:00 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by noelpolar

mmmm...... "indefinitely" ..... not from what I've read...... delayed, postponed maybe.

Agreed - an unknown date does not equate to forever.

**Larrymc** · 02-17-2021, 08:01 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by starjedi

Ah, see the announcement “the judgment that it will take some time to achieve high performance and high quality suitable for the APS-C flagship model, we have decided to release it. I decided to change it.” I speculate from here...

Thats a google translation......read the english version that @stevebrot posted. its pretty clear that there is a supply chain problem and they don't want sub par part that will create problems for customers down the road.

RobG · 02-17-2021, 08:05 PM - **5 Likes**

Originally posted by luftfluss

Where are you getting "$2500 tag or even higher" from?

It was estimated based on the "high 20,000 yen" figure which was stated in one of the Pentax videos. However, we really can't make any assumptions based on the pricing in Japan. My experience has been that the Japanese prices are the highest in the world, and Japanese enthusiasts will pay a premium price to get their hands on the latest thing at release. They won't be able to price it too close to the K1ii. All we know is that it will be somewhere between the release prices of the KP and the K1ii. I think it's a shame that people are so quick to criticise based on speculation rather than fact.

**Larrymc** · 02-17-2021, 08:06 PM - **8 Likes**

Originally posted by stevebrot

Go easy! Being a ray of sunshine and good news is a hard job!

Steve

Steve, My Friend, it seems that the doom and gloom purveyors always have to come out at the most opportune time to shed a little darkness on everything. Instead of keeping an open mind about something like this they take advantage of the situation to inject as much negativity as they can. it's getting very tiring.

starjedi · 02-17-2021, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by RobG

It was estimated based on the "high 20,000 yen" figure which was stated in one of the Pentax videos. However, we really can't make any assumptions based on the pricing in Japan. My experience has been that the Japanese prices are the highest in the world, and Japanese enthusiasts will pay a premium price to get their hands on the latest thing at release. They won't be able to price it too close to the K1ii. All we know is that it will be somewhere between the release prices of the KP and the K1ii. I think it's a shame that people are so quick to criticise based on speculation rather than fact.

It is not speculation.. Apparently, K-3 iii launch price is to match or be higher than Nikon or Canon APS-c flagship D500 or Canon 7Dii. 25000 upper is reasonable for this goal...

- Pentax K-1 Mark II - 254,000 yen
- Pentax K-3 Mark III (expected) - 250,000 to 299,000
- Nikon D500 - 259,000 yen
- Fujifilm X-T4 - 225,000 yen
- Fujifilm X-Pro3 - 236,000 yen
- Canon 90D - 162,000 yen
- Canon 7D Mark II - 225,000 yen
- Sony a6600 - 176,000 yen

For the prices in yen,
I quoted from The price of the K-3 III (context/speculation, not inside info) - PentaxForums.com

Okay, it is still speculation and canon 7d ii and d500 actually launched below $2000 in US

**aaront** · 02-17-2021, 08:29 PM - **1 Like**

Pretty disappointing for sure, but 99% sure that this is the global chip shortage at play. Really causing a ton of havoc across the tech industry.

For ex., Canon was going to debut a new body at CP+, but looks like that's also delayed: New Canon camera delayed?! | Digital Camera World

**Larrymc** · 02-17-2021, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by starjedi

It is not speculation.. Apparently, K-3 iii launch price is to match or be higher than Nikon or Canon APS-c flagship D500 or Canon 7Dii. 25000 upper is reasonable for this goal...

- Pentax K-1 Mark II - 254,000 yen
- Pentax K-3 Mark III (expected) - 250,000 to 299,000
- Nikon D500 - 259,000 yen
- Fujifilm X-T4 - 225,000 yen
- Fujifilm X-Pro3 - 236,000 yen
- Canon 90D - 162,000 yen
- Canon 7D Mark II - 225,000 yen
- Sony a6600 - 176,000 yen

For the prices in yen,
I quoted from The price of the K-3 III (context/speculation, not inside info) - PentaxForums.com

Okay, it is still speculation and canon 7d ii and d500 actually launched below $2000 in US

Where is it apparent that the K-3III launch price is to match or be higher than Canon or Nikon APS-C flagships? What source are you using for your assumptions? Please post your information so we all can read it and reach the same conclusions you have reached.

starjedi · 02-17-2021, 08:39 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Larrymc

Where is it apparent that the K-3III launch price is to match or be higher than Canon or Nikon APS-C flagships? What source are you using for your assumptions? Please post your information so we all can read it and reach the same conclusions you have reached.

Everyone heard 20000 yen upper (25000-30000 Yen) from official Pentax (Mr. Takahashi as President of Ricoh Imaging) and it is higher than Canon/Nikon APS-C flagship launch price... If you want a link, I quote here. For the video, check 9:47...

**Larrymc** · 02-17-2021, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by starjedi

Everyone heard 20000 yen upper (25000-30000 Yen) from official Pentax reports and it is higher than Canon/Nikon APS-C flagship launch price... If you want a link, I quote here

That was not a firm price, I remember Takahashi-san saying the expected price not the price will be.......quite a bit of difference.

MMVIII · 02-17-2021, 08:53 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by starjedi

Everyone heard 20000 yen upper (25000-30000 Yen) from official Pentax reports and it is higher than Canon/Nikon APS-C flagship launch price...

Dealers in Germany hinted a 1900€. In your words this would fit with the "subpar" features of this flagship. I absolutely don't see any point in deriving speculation on the performance of the camera on pure guesswork.

The good thing is: your "speculation" will still soon be tested against the real release price. I make a note: starjedi is convinced the relase price will for sure be 2500-3000$. Let's chack back later.

Edit: the same german dealer also mentioned a delayed availability in shops. He expects it to be there in April.

starjedi · 02-17-2021, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by MMVIII

Dealers in Germany hinted a 1900€. In your words this would fit with the "subpar" features of this flagship. I absolutely don't see any point in deriving speculation on the performance of the camera on pure guesswork.

The good thing is: your "speculation" will still soon be tested against the real release price. I make a note: starjedi is convinced the relase price will for sure be 2500-3000$. Let's chack back later.

My statement here is that if the specification changes to 30fps and 4K 120p , the price will be $2500- $3000.... Let's wait and see

02-17-2021, 08:12 PM	#39
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932	Originally posted by RobG It was estimated based on the "high 20,000 yen" figure which was stated in one of the Pentax videos. However, we really can't make any assumptions based on the pricing in Japan. My experience has been that the Japanese prices are the highest in the world, and Japanese enthusiasts will pay a premium price to get their hands on the latest thing at release. They won't be able to price it too close to the K1ii. All we know is that it will be somewhere between the release prices of the KP and the K1ii. I think it's a shame that people are so quick to criticise based on speculation rather than fact. It is not speculation.. Apparently, K-3 iii launch price is to match or be higher than Nikon or Canon APS-c flagship D500 or Canon 7Dii. 25000 upper is reasonable for this goal... - Pentax K-1 Mark II - 254,000 yen - Pentax K-3 Mark III (expected) - 250,000 to 299,000 - Nikon D500 - 259,000 yen - Fujifilm X-T4 - 225,000 yen - Fujifilm X-Pro3 - 236,000 yen - Canon 90D - 162,000 yen - Canon 7D Mark II - 225,000 yen - Sony a6600 - 176,000 yen For the prices in yen, I quoted from The price of the K-3 III (context/speculation, not inside info) - PentaxForums.com Okay, it is still speculation and canon 7d ii and d500 actually launched below $2000 in US Last edited by starjedi; 02-17-2021 at 08:22 PM.

02-17-2021, 08:39 PM - 1 Like	#42
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932	Originally posted by Larrymc Where is it apparent that the K-3III launch price is to match or be higher than Canon or Nikon APS-C flagships? What source are you using for your assumptions? Please post your information so we all can read it and reach the same conclusions you have reached. Everyone heard 20000 yen upper (25000-30000 Yen) from official Pentax (Mr. Takahashi as President of Ricoh Imaging) and it is higher than Canon/Nikon APS-C flagship launch price... If you want a link, I quote here. For the video, check 9:47... Last edited by starjedi; 02-17-2021 at 08:53 PM.

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02-17-2021, 07:54 PM	#31
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932	Originally posted by Larrymc Pure speculation on your part. Ah, see the announcement “the judgment that it will take some time to achieve high performance and high quality suitable for the APS-C flagship model, we have decided to release it. I decided to change it.” I speculate from here... Last edited by Sandy Hancock; 02-18-2021 at 02:56 AM. Reason: Quoted rudeness

02-17-2021, 07:57 PM - 1 Like	#32
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251	Originally posted by mtkeller The camera has been sent for certification. They’re not doing any redesign on it. This is purely down to getting the quality of parts that they were planning to use at a sufficient rate to produce the cameras. (For instance, not suddenly having to go the cheap route on something crucial like, I don’t know, part of the aperture control.) Well stated!!

02-17-2021, 07:58 PM - 3 Likes	#33
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,175	Originally posted by Fenwoodian 2. Now they've got time to rethink the lack of a tilting LCD screen and will have the time to redesign the current non-movable one with this in demand feature If you want a “flippy” LCD, get a KP tomorrow - the K-3iii is not going to change while they wait for parts to arrive {then they would have to order a new case and would just have another thing to wait for}

02-17-2021, 07:58 PM	#34
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Larrymc Pure speculation on your part. Go easy! Being a ray of sunshine and good news is a hard job! Steve Last edited by Sandy Hancock; 02-18-2021 at 02:56 AM.

02-17-2021, 08:00 PM - 2 Likes	#35
RobG Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Canberra Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,881	Originally posted by noelpolar mmmm...... "indefinitely" ..... not from what I've read...... delayed, postponed maybe. Agreed - an unknown date does not equate to forever.

02-17-2021, 08:01 PM - 4 Likes	#36
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251	Originally posted by starjedi Ah, see the announcement “the judgment that it will take some time to achieve high performance and high quality suitable for the APS-C flagship model, we have decided to release it. I decided to change it.” I speculate from here... Thats a google translation......read the english version that @stevebrot posted. its pretty clear that there is a supply chain problem and they don't want sub par part that will create problems for customers down the road.

02-17-2021, 08:05 PM - 5 Likes	#37
RobG Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Canberra Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,881	Originally posted by luftfluss Where are you getting "$2500 tag or even higher" from? It was estimated based on the "high 20,000 yen" figure which was stated in one of the Pentax videos. However, we really can't make any assumptions based on the pricing in Japan. My experience has been that the Japanese prices are the highest in the world, and Japanese enthusiasts will pay a premium price to get their hands on the latest thing at release. They won't be able to price it too close to the K1ii. All we know is that it will be somewhere between the release prices of the KP and the K1ii. I think it's a shame that people are so quick to criticise based on speculation rather than fact.

02-17-2021, 08:06 PM - 8 Likes	#38
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251	Originally posted by stevebrot Go easy! Being a ray of sunshine and good news is a hard job! Steve Steve, My Friend, it seems that the doom and gloom purveyors always have to come out at the most opportune time to shed a little darkness on everything. Instead of keeping an open mind about something like this they take advantage of the situation to inject as much negativity as they can. it's getting very tiring.

02-17-2021, 08:29 PM - 1 Like	#40
aaront Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 20	Pretty disappointing for sure, but 99% sure that this is the global chip shortage at play. Really causing a ton of havoc across the tech industry. For ex., Canon was going to debut a new body at CP+, but looks like that's also delayed: New Canon camera delayed?! \| Digital Camera World

02-17-2021, 08:36 PM	#41
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251	Originally posted by starjedi It is not speculation.. Apparently, K-3 iii launch price is to match or be higher than Nikon or Canon APS-c flagship D500 or Canon 7Dii. 25000 upper is reasonable for this goal... - Pentax K-1 Mark II - 254,000 yen - Pentax K-3 Mark III (expected) - 250,000 to 299,000 - Nikon D500 - 259,000 yen - Fujifilm X-T4 - 225,000 yen - Fujifilm X-Pro3 - 236,000 yen - Canon 90D - 162,000 yen - Canon 7D Mark II - 225,000 yen - Sony a6600 - 176,000 yen For the prices in yen, I quoted from The price of the K-3 III (context/speculation, not inside info) - PentaxForums.com Okay, it is still speculation and canon 7d ii and d500 actually launched below $2000 in US Where is it apparent that the K-3III launch price is to match or be higher than Canon or Nikon APS-C flagships? What source are you using for your assumptions? Please post your information so we all can read it and reach the same conclusions you have reached.

02-17-2021, 08:50 PM	#43
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251	Originally posted by starjedi Everyone heard 20000 yen upper (25000-30000 Yen) from official Pentax reports and it is higher than Canon/Nikon APS-C flagship launch price... If you want a link, I quote here That was not a firm price, I remember Takahashi-san saying the expected price not the price will be.......quite a bit of difference.

02-17-2021, 08:53 PM - 1 Like	#44
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by starjedi Everyone heard 20000 yen upper (25000-30000 Yen) from official Pentax reports and it is higher than Canon/Nikon APS-C flagship launch price... Dealers in Germany hinted a 1900€. In your words this would fit with the "subpar" features of this flagship. I absolutely don't see any point in deriving speculation on the performance of the camera on pure guesswork. The good thing is: your "speculation" will still soon be tested against the real release price. I make a note: starjedi is convinced the relase price will for sure be 2500-3000$. Let's chack back later. Edit: the same german dealer also mentioned a delayed availability in shops. He expects it to be there in April.

02-17-2021, 08:58 PM	#45
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932	Originally posted by MMVIII Dealers in Germany hinted a 1900€. In your words this would fit with the "subpar" features of this flagship. I absolutely don't see any point in deriving speculation on the performance of the camera on pure guesswork. The good thing is: your "speculation" will still soon be tested against the real release price. I make a note: starjedi is convinced the relase price will for sure be 2500-3000$. Let's chack back later. My statement here is that if the specification changes to 30fps and 4K 120p , the price will be $2500- $3000.... Let's wait and see

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