HD 77mm f/1.8 LTD!

Breakfastographer · 02-22-2021, 04:47 AM

Originally posted by BarneyL

Ricoh sees those HD-revisions as quick wins. I don't share this view.

Are you saying that from Ricoh's perspective or the consumer's?

In my opinion, adding WR or AW sure would further increase desirability of these reboots.

house · 02-22-2021, 04:59 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

I'll admit that I don't shoot out of focus branches against a totally burnt out, overexposed sky wide open

The 77 Limted is one of the sharpest lenses I've ever seen. Up there with the FA* 200 Macro....

From the dfa85 review...

^That is extremely painful and not super challenging subject or situation.

JPT · 02-22-2021, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by Breakfastographer

Are you saying that from Ricoh's perspective or the consumer's?

In my opinion, adding WR or AW sure would further increase desirability of these reboots.

True, but once you do that, you're practically rebuilding the whole lens, at which point it would be better to make a lens which fills a different whole in the line-up. It does look like that is what they are doing with the DFA Limited 21mm, but we haven't heard about that being ready for release yet. It will be a disappointment if none of the new lenses are ready for release this spring. These recoatings are welcome, but only if they are additional to some all-new designs.

Breakfastographer · 02-22-2021, 05:01 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by JPT

- Some people were hoping that this had been made to "modern" standards. Should it have been WR, SDM and with a faster new formula?

Adding a big motor to a lens prized for its compactness makes no sense to me.

**K(s)evin** · 02-22-2021, 05:03 AM

Just the coatings, thanks.

Breakfastographer · 02-22-2021, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by JPT

These recoatings are welcome, but only if they are additional to some all-new designs.

I don't understand what that's trying to say. Not "welcome"? "Don't improve my product"?

**pres589** · 02-22-2021, 05:10 AM - **1 Like**

I thought there was something about "HD" coatings being easier to apply than SMC which is part of why they were developed. This is probably at least part of why the price was reduced for the 77 HD FA.

I think it's odd to suggest that it's not possible to make a WR (or AW) in-lens-motor version of the 77. It wouldn't look at all the same when they were done but lifting the optics block out of the FA 77 and building an entirely new housing around the lens seems very doable. It would undoubtedly gain weight and size over the existing version. I kind of like that they didn't bother with that.

The black version of this lens would probably look great on my black MX...

biz-engineer · 02-22-2021, 05:11 AM

Originally posted by BarneyL

Ricoh sees those HD-revisions as quick wins. I don't share this view.

I guess Ricoh use product re-looking to fill gaps between truly new product releases, like all manufacturers do. There's nothing wrong with that.

**Serkevan** · 02-22-2021, 05:14 AM

Originally posted by house

From the dfa85 review...

Yep, that's exactly what I meant some posts back.

---------- Post added 02-22-21 at 05:15 AM ----------

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

The 77 Limted is one of the sharpest lenses I've ever seen. Up there with the FA* 200 Macro....

This is correct, but sharpness has nothing to do with fringing.

biz-engineer · 02-22-2021, 05:19 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

This is correct, but sharpness has nothing to do with fringing.

I see no fringing with my HD 35 2, it's sharp with nice color contrast and haven't see any fringing yet on the photos taken with that lens.

Let's look at tests done with the newly coated ltd lenses compared to smc versions before making any conclusion.

house · 02-22-2021, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

I see no fringing with my HD 35 2, it's sharp with nice color contrast and haven't see any fringing yet on the photos taken with that lens.

Let's look at tests done with the newly coated ltd lenses compared to smc versions before making any conclusion.

Sure it fringes. Not terribly though. I like my HD FA35 but I would never suggest CA removal in PP isn't part of the default settings I have for that lens.

biz-engineer · 02-22-2021, 05:38 AM

Originally posted by house

Sure it fringes. Not terribly though. I like my HD FA35 but I would never suggest CA removal in PP isn't part of the default settings I have for that lens.

All my lenses have CA, software corrects most of it. I don't think other brand lenses have less CA , but they are pre-corrected in raw files, which make them look good in internet reviews. There are lenses that are near perfection without capture correction, but they aren't cheap, we're talking about the Zeiss and Leica, or even the Pentax D-FA 85 1.4... not a cheap lens. The rare fully optically corrected lenses cost between $2K and $4K.

repaap · 02-22-2021, 06:03 AM

If HD coating will make fringing less apparemt and there for more easy to get rid of it in extreme situations, I might upgrade my FA 77. Not sure yet. FA 31 has it too, but for some reason I’m usually using it a wee a bit stopped down anyway. So it is not that bad. 77 I enjoy to use wide open, just because it is so good and nice.

Smolk · 02-22-2021, 06:06 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Serkevan

You sure it's the 77?

I love mine to bits, but any reflective highlight is gonna have a purple neon sign on it.

Pål may think it's just the northern lights

house · 02-22-2021, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by repaap

If HD coating will make fringing less apparemt and there for more easy to get rid of it in extreme situations, I might upgrade my FA 77. Not sure yet. FA 31 has it too, but for some reason I’m usually using it a wee a bit stopped down anyway. So it is not that bad. 77 I enjoy to use wide open, just because it is so good and nice.

The Cameraville guy saw more ca in his HD samples than in the smc samples of the FA35. It's pretty visible see https://youtu.be/Fr1HAJkdTyo?t=180

So we'll have to wait and se i guess.

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02-22-2021, 04:47 AM	#46
Breakfastographer Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 673	Originally posted by BarneyL Ricoh sees those HD-revisions as quick wins. I don't share this view. Are you saying that from Ricoh's perspective or the consumer's? In my opinion, adding WR or AW sure would further increase desirability of these reboots.

02-22-2021, 04:59 AM - 2 Likes	#47
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by Pål Jensen I'll admit that I don't shoot out of focus branches against a totally burnt out, overexposed sky wide open The 77 Limted is one of the sharpest lenses I've ever seen. Up there with the FA* 200 Macro.... From the dfa85 review... ^That is extremely painful and not super challenging subject or situation.

02-22-2021, 05:00 AM	#48
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Originally posted by Breakfastographer Are you saying that from Ricoh's perspective or the consumer's? In my opinion, adding WR or AW sure would further increase desirability of these reboots. True, but once you do that, you're practically rebuilding the whole lens, at which point it would be better to make a lens which fills a different whole in the line-up. It does look like that is what they are doing with the DFA Limited 21mm, but we haven't heard about that being ready for release yet. It will be a disappointment if none of the new lenses are ready for release this spring. These recoatings are welcome, but only if they are additional to some all-new designs.

02-22-2021, 05:01 AM - 1 Like	#49
Breakfastographer Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 673	Originally posted by JPT - Some people were hoping that this had been made to "modern" standards. Should it have been WR, SDM and with a faster new formula? Adding a big motor to a lens prized for its compactness makes no sense to me.

02-22-2021, 05:03 AM	#50
K(s)evin Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Colorado Posts: 476	Just the coatings, thanks.

02-22-2021, 05:04 AM	#51
Breakfastographer Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 673	Originally posted by JPT These recoatings are welcome, but only if they are additional to some all-new designs. I don't understand what that's trying to say. Not "welcome"? "Don't improve my product"?

02-22-2021, 05:10 AM - 1 Like	#52
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,533	I thought there was something about "HD" coatings being easier to apply than SMC which is part of why they were developed. This is probably at least part of why the price was reduced for the 77 HD FA. I think it's odd to suggest that it's not possible to make a WR (or AW) in-lens-motor version of the 77. It wouldn't look at all the same when they were done but lifting the optics block out of the FA 77 and building an entirely new housing around the lens seems very doable. It would undoubtedly gain weight and size over the existing version. I kind of like that they didn't bother with that. The black version of this lens would probably look great on my black MX...

02-22-2021, 05:11 AM	#53
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,239	Originally posted by BarneyL Ricoh sees those HD-revisions as quick wins. I don't share this view. I guess Ricoh use product re-looking to fill gaps between truly new product releases, like all manufacturers do. There's nothing wrong with that.

02-22-2021, 05:14 AM	#54
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by house From the dfa85 review... Yep, that's exactly what I meant some posts back. ---------- Post added 02-22-21 at 05:15 AM ---------- Originally posted by Pål Jensen The 77 Limted is one of the sharpest lenses I've ever seen. Up there with the FA* 200 Macro.... This is correct, but sharpness has nothing to do with fringing.

02-22-2021, 05:19 AM	#55
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,239	Originally posted by Serkevan This is correct, but sharpness has nothing to do with fringing. I see no fringing with my HD 35 2, it's sharp with nice color contrast and haven't see any fringing yet on the photos taken with that lens. Let's look at tests done with the newly coated ltd lenses compared to smc versions before making any conclusion.

02-22-2021, 05:27 AM	#56
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by biz-engineer I see no fringing with my HD 35 2, it's sharp with nice color contrast and haven't see any fringing yet on the photos taken with that lens. Let's look at tests done with the newly coated ltd lenses compared to smc versions before making any conclusion. Sure it fringes. Not terribly though. I like my HD FA35 but I would never suggest CA removal in PP isn't part of the default settings I have for that lens.

02-22-2021, 05:38 AM	#57
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,239	Originally posted by house Sure it fringes. Not terribly though. I like my HD FA35 but I would never suggest CA removal in PP isn't part of the default settings I have for that lens. All my lenses have CA, software corrects most of it. I don't think other brand lenses have less CA , but they are pre-corrected in raw files, which make them look good in internet reviews. There are lenses that are near perfection without capture correction, but they aren't cheap, we're talking about the Zeiss and Leica, or even the Pentax D-FA 85 1.4... not a cheap lens. The rare fully optically corrected lenses cost between $2K and $4K.

02-22-2021, 06:03 AM	#58
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	If HD coating will make fringing less apparemt and there for more easy to get rid of it in extreme situations, I might upgrade my FA 77. Not sure yet. FA 31 has it too, but for some reason I’m usually using it a wee a bit stopped down anyway. So it is not that bad. 77 I enjoy to use wide open, just because it is so good and nice.

02-22-2021, 06:06 AM - 1 Like	#59
Smolk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Eerbeek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,857	Originally posted by Serkevan You sure it's the 77? I love mine to bits, but any reflective highlight is gonna have a purple neon sign on it. Pål may think it's just the northern lights

02-22-2021, 06:34 AM	#60
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by repaap If HD coating will make fringing less apparemt and there for more easy to get rid of it in extreme situations, I might upgrade my FA 77. Not sure yet. FA 31 has it too, but for some reason I’m usually using it a wee a bit stopped down anyway. So it is not that bad. 77 I enjoy to use wide open, just because it is so good and nice. The Cameraville guy saw more ca in his HD samples than in the smc samples of the FA35. It's pretty visible see https://youtu.be/Fr1HAJkdTyo?t=180 So we'll have to wait and se i guess.