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reh321 · 03-05-2021, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

It's almost like it's a subjective thing.

Originally posted by Parry

It's still ugly. ��

It is a subjective thing.
If it were in my price range, I would be perfectly happy with one - I am more interested in function than in appearance.

Last edited by reh321; 03-06-2021 at 06:56 AM.

hcem · 03-06-2021, 03:06 AM - **1 Like**

Very ugly

BarneyL · 03-06-2021, 11:44 AM

What's the big prism cover made of?

stevejo · 03-06-2021, 11:46 AM - **3 Likes**

Condensed ugly juice ?

wkraus · 03-06-2021, 03:17 PM - **3 Likes**

Can we move on?

**jatrax** · 03-06-2021, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by wkraus

Can we move on?

Yes please.........

Really tempted to preorder one of the 'new' limiteds. Those three have been on my list for a long time but I never pulled the trigger for some reason. But which to buy first?

**luftfluss** · 03-06-2021, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by jatrax

Yes please.........

Really tempted to preorder one of the 'new' limiteds. Those three have been on my list for a long time but I never pulled the trigger for some reason. But which to buy first?

I've occasionally had the crazy notion of selling nearly all my gear and "starting fresh" with only a K-1 and 31 Ltd.

So IMO it's the 31 you should buy first.

**robbiec** · 03-06-2021, 05:22 PM

I'm doing the single in Challenge with the 31 this month and I'm wondering if the new coatings might just suit it down to the ground. I'm seeing a good bit of purple and green fringing. Sharpness wise and bokeh wise it is excellent to my eyes even wide open and pretty stellar at f/8.
The extra roundening of the blades on the 43 might tame its sometimes busy bokeh too, just hoping it doesn't dilute the magic wide open at 8 to 12 feet for 3D pop.

**luftfluss** · 03-06-2021, 08:14 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by robbiec

I'm doing the single in Challenge with the 31 this month and I'm wondering if the new coatings might just suit it down to the ground. I'm seeing a good bit of purple and green fringing. Sharpness wise and bokeh wise it is excellent to my eyes even wide open and pretty stellar at f/8.
The extra roundening of the blades on the 43 might tame its sometimes busy bokeh too, just hoping it doesn't dilute the magic wide open at 8 to 12 feet for 3D pop.

FWIW, I've owned five of the DA Limited lenses in both SMC and HD flavors and have not noticed any difference in CA or PF. What I have noticed is the HD versions provide cooler colors, better flare control, more contrast, and slightly more prominent rendering of fine detail.

reh321 · 03-06-2021, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by luftfluss

So IMO it's the 31 you should buy first.

I don’t think I would be satisfied with any one focal length,
so I guess I should get the DA 20-40mm.

**luftfluss** · 03-06-2021, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by reh321

I don’t think I would be satisfied with any one focal length,
so I guess I should get the DA 20-40mm.

I owned the DA 20-40 for two days... I returned it because my copy was a lemon. However, the snaps I took with it demonstrated rich color, strong contrast, and well-structured images that had a strong sense of dimensionality. It is really the nicest-rendering lens I've ever used, even better than the other DA Limiteds. I have the 20-40mm range covered capably by the DA 17-70/4, but it is hard to ignore how special the DA 20-40 can be.

Unfortunately for @jatrax and other K-1 shooters, there isn't an equivalent for FF.

reh321 · 03-06-2021, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by luftfluss

Unfortunately for @jatrax and other K-1 shooters, there isn't an equivalent for FF.

However, it does have 'HD' coating already, so your words should encourage them.

JPT · 03-06-2021, 11:27 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by luftfluss

I owned the DA 20-40 for two days... I returned it because my copy was a lemon. However, the snaps I took with it demonstrated rich color, strong contrast, and well-structured images that had a strong sense of dimensionality. It is really the nicest-rendering lens I've ever used, even better than the other DA Limiteds. I have the 20-40mm range covered capably by the DA 17-70/4, but it is hard to ignore how special the DA 20-40 can be.

Unfortunately for @jatrax and other K-1 shooters, there isn't an equivalent for FF.

I got the DA20-40 last summer but have not had a lot of chance to go out shooting with it. The one time I took it out for a family event, it really produced nice shots (mainly single/group portraits). I like the kind of background blur where the subject is isolated but you can still make out the context. The DA 20-40 met my expectation in this respect, without any visually distracting bokeh. It handled the sun and extremes of light and shadow very well too. These are the things I'd enjoyed in my other limited lenses, so I think it deserves the Limited name.

Having said that, I think it's best to think of it as a 30mm lens with some room for adjustment, or a two-in-one (DA21 and DA40 in one package). When I first tried it in a shop I saw it as another zoom and I thought "Really? Is that it?" So it took me a while to realize that it would be a convenient main lens to slot between my 15mm and 77mm.

MMVIII · 03-07-2021, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by JPT

I like the kind of background blur where the subject is isolated but you can still make out the context.

This! Most of the times I'm getting annoyed by those fast wide open shallow bokeh shots. It's like drawing a red circle around the subject. As a viewer I find it patronising and I much prefer what you describe. Maybe this is also the reason why I love the 20-40.

thibs · 03-07-2021, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by luftfluss

Unfortunately for @jatrax and other K-1 shooters, there isn't an equivalent for FF.

Yet?
I wouldn't be surprised....

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03-05-2021, 03:26 PM	#391
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,186	Originally posted by Serkevan It's almost like it's a subjective thing. Originally posted by Parry It's still ugly. �� It is a subjective thing. If it were in my price range, I would be perfectly happy with one - I am more interested in function than in appearance. Last edited by reh321; 03-06-2021 at 06:56 AM.

03-06-2021, 03:06 AM - 1 Like	#392
hcem New Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 3	Very ugly

03-06-2021, 11:44 AM	#393
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03-06-2021, 11:46 AM - 3 Likes	#394
stevejo Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Worcestershire, UK Photos: Albums Posts: 527	Condensed ugly juice ?

03-06-2021, 03:17 PM - 3 Likes	#395
wkraus Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Near Vienna, Austria Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,067	Can we move on?

03-06-2021, 03:55 PM	#396
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,992	Originally posted by wkraus Can we move on? Yes please......... Really tempted to preorder one of the 'new' limiteds. Those three have been on my list for a long time but I never pulled the trigger for some reason. But which to buy first?

03-06-2021, 04:19 PM	#397
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,629	Originally posted by jatrax Yes please......... Really tempted to preorder one of the 'new' limiteds. Those three have been on my list for a long time but I never pulled the trigger for some reason. But which to buy first? I've occasionally had the crazy notion of selling nearly all my gear and "starting fresh" with only a K-1 and 31 Ltd. So IMO it's the 31 you should buy first.

03-06-2021, 05:22 PM	#398
robbiec Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cork Photos: Albums Posts: 1,882	I'm doing the single in Challenge with the 31 this month and I'm wondering if the new coatings might just suit it down to the ground. I'm seeing a good bit of purple and green fringing. Sharpness wise and bokeh wise it is excellent to my eyes even wide open and pretty stellar at f/8. The extra roundening of the blades on the 43 might tame its sometimes busy bokeh too, just hoping it doesn't dilute the magic wide open at 8 to 12 feet for 3D pop.

03-06-2021, 08:14 PM - 1 Like	#399
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,629	Originally posted by robbiec I'm doing the single in Challenge with the 31 this month and I'm wondering if the new coatings might just suit it down to the ground. I'm seeing a good bit of purple and green fringing. Sharpness wise and bokeh wise it is excellent to my eyes even wide open and pretty stellar at f/8. The extra roundening of the blades on the 43 might tame its sometimes busy bokeh too, just hoping it doesn't dilute the magic wide open at 8 to 12 feet for 3D pop. FWIW, I've owned five of the DA Limited lenses in both SMC and HD flavors and have not noticed any difference in CA or PF. What I have noticed is the HD versions provide cooler colors, better flare control, more contrast, and slightly more prominent rendering of fine detail.

03-06-2021, 08:54 PM	#400
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,186	Originally posted by luftfluss So IMO it's the 31 you should buy first. I don’t think I would be satisfied with any one focal length, so I guess I should get the DA 20-40mm.

03-06-2021, 09:16 PM	#401
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,629	Originally posted by reh321 I don’t think I would be satisfied with any one focal length, so I guess I should get the DA 20-40mm. I owned the DA 20-40 for two days... I returned it because my copy was a lemon. However, the snaps I took with it demonstrated rich color, strong contrast, and well-structured images that had a strong sense of dimensionality. It is really the nicest-rendering lens I've ever used, even better than the other DA Limiteds. I have the 20-40mm range covered capably by the DA 17-70/4, but it is hard to ignore how special the DA 20-40 can be. Unfortunately for @jatrax and other K-1 shooters, there isn't an equivalent for FF.

03-06-2021, 09:31 PM	#402
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,186	Originally posted by luftfluss Unfortunately for @jatrax and other K-1 shooters, there isn't an equivalent for FF. However, it does have 'HD' coating already, so your words should encourage them.

03-06-2021, 11:27 PM - 2 Likes	#403
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821 Original Poster	Originally posted by luftfluss I owned the DA 20-40 for two days... I returned it because my copy was a lemon. However, the snaps I took with it demonstrated rich color, strong contrast, and well-structured images that had a strong sense of dimensionality. It is really the nicest-rendering lens I've ever used, even better than the other DA Limiteds. I have the 20-40mm range covered capably by the DA 17-70/4, but it is hard to ignore how special the DA 20-40 can be. Unfortunately for @jatrax and other K-1 shooters, there isn't an equivalent for FF. I got the DA20-40 last summer but have not had a lot of chance to go out shooting with it. The one time I took it out for a family event, it really produced nice shots (mainly single/group portraits). I like the kind of background blur where the subject is isolated but you can still make out the context. The DA 20-40 met my expectation in this respect, without any visually distracting bokeh. It handled the sun and extremes of light and shadow very well too. These are the things I'd enjoyed in my other limited lenses, so I think it deserves the Limited name. Having said that, I think it's best to think of it as a 30mm lens with some room for adjustment, or a two-in-one (DA21 and DA40 in one package). When I first tried it in a shop I saw it as another zoom and I thought "Really? Is that it?" So it took me a while to realize that it would be a convenient main lens to slot between my 15mm and 77mm.

03-07-2021, 12:15 AM	#404
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by JPT I like the kind of background blur where the subject is isolated but you can still make out the context. This! Most of the times I'm getting annoyed by those fast wide open shallow bokeh shots. It's like drawing a red circle around the subject. As a viewer I find it patronising and I much prefer what you describe. Maybe this is also the reason why I love the 20-40.

03-07-2021, 12:53 AM	#405
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by luftfluss Unfortunately for @jatrax and other K-1 shooters, there isn't an equivalent for FF. Yet? I wouldn't be surprised....

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