Tanaka san - Wakashiro san online seminar about K-3 III (CP+ 2021)

Fogel70 · 02-28-2021, 02:44 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ffking

(from the earlier seminar) -the comment of feeding new subject-specific algorithms to the recognition system got me thinking about whether they could produce optional subject specific packs for different types of photography in future, and wondering if that would be a good idea - any thoughts?

I doubt they designed the camera to support this other than with general firmware updates.

Otherwise it sounds like Minoltas Creative Expansion Card system, where film cameras had a card slot to add features not included in the base camera.
Minolta Creative Expansion Card (1988 - 1997) | Museum of Obsolete Media

BarneyL · 02-28-2021, 02:57 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by JPT

Wakashiro-san mentioned that Pentax is committed to moving a head with both APS-C and full frame lines. It just happens that this major release is an APS-C one. Part of the reason for their continued commitment to APS-C is the range of high quality lenses they have brought out over the years.

Anything about 645?

**ffking** · 02-28-2021, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by Fogel70

I doubt they designed the camera to support this other than with general firmware updates.

Just for clarity, this is the bit of the OPs post I was referring to:

'It's possible to feed lots of e.g. airplane pictures to train the deep learning algorithm, which could then be released as the new firmware. (Wakashiro san didn't say that that's what they'll do.)'

Which to me implies they could - I'm sort of interested in the would and should

Originally posted by Fogel70

Otherwise it sounds like Minoltas Creative Expansion Card system, where film cameras had a card slot to add features not included in the base camera

Ah yes - I'd forgotten about that - things have moved on though -time to try again?

The only real logic to this is that it prevents even more memory and computing space being taken up by features that individual photographers might not want - but my abilities such as they are are as a photographer, not a programmer or electronic engineer, so I'm really talking on a philosophical level about whether that sort of thing is a good idea,

mannyquinto · 02-28-2021, 03:34 AM

Thanks for sharing! It seems that a lot of us are getting seriously interested in having the k3iii. Now, I just need to figure out to increase my fund allocation to buy the camera when it is available.

**Yaki** · 02-28-2021, 03:52 AM

Did no one on all those seminars show or comment on how to use the joystick while looking through the viewfinder?
I'm starting to doubt if it can be used that way at all, and that disappoints me somewhat.
The main reason I expect the new K3 III is exactly that option. I hope It will make the AF as close to the manual focus as possible as a process, with higher precision. Or maybe my dreams are too brave

**ffking** · 02-28-2021, 03:58 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Yaki

Did no one on all those seminars show or comment on how to use the joystick while looking through the viewfinder?
I'm starting to doubt if it can be used that way at all, and that disappoints me somewhat.

It seems the only rationale for having a joystick, so perhaps people are just taking it for granted that that will be the implementation, as Pentax are about the last to have one.

**Yaki** · 02-28-2021, 04:07 AM

Originally posted by ffking

It seems the only rationale for having a joystick, so perhaps people are just taking it for granted that that will be the implementation, as Pentax are about the last to have one.

I hadn't thought of that. Now that you mention it, it is very likely to be so. Thanks.

JPT · 02-28-2021, 04:32 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Yaki

I hadn't thought of that. Now that you mention it, it is very likely to be so. Thanks.

Yes. It's a direct control for selecting the AF point

In fact there was a part of the interview with Tanaka-san where he was saying that he doesn't want to change the focus point, so he was wondering why it could not be assigned to anything else. This is despite the fact that there are no less than 10 other physical buttons that can be customized to one of 21 functions. So there is already a massive amount of customization.

But to come back to your question, that exchange pretty much confirms that it is a full-time control to select the AF point.

**ffking** · 02-28-2021, 05:12 AM - **1 Like**

Further to this -

As somebody who has never used a camera with a joystick, can a joystick in general or this one in particular be used to activate AF as well as to select the point? The reason for asking is that I massively prefer rear button AF, but moving between buttons while my eye is on the finder isn't my strong suit

gatorguy · 02-28-2021, 05:26 AM

Originally posted by ffking

Further to this -

As somebody who has never used a camera with a joystick, can a joystick in general or this one in particular be used to activate AF as well as to select the point? The reason for asking is that I massively prefer rear button AF, but moving between buttons while my eye is on the finder isn't my strong suit

Gosh, my first thoughts are that would be convenient. Maybe?

But even if not, the AF (or AE/L) button is the easiest for me to use sight unseen other than the shutter button itself. And having a more visual reference in the OVF for settings on the new K3III will absolutely be appreciated for someone who like me or you who can be button blind.

**Yaki** · 02-28-2021, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by JPT

Yes. It's a direct control for selecting the AF point

In fact there was a part of the interview with Tanaka-san where he was saying that he doesn't want to change the focus point, so he was wondering why it could not be assigned to anything else. This is despite the fact that there are no less than 10 other physical buttons that can be customized to one of 21 functions. So there is already a massive amount of customization.

But to come back to your question, that exchange pretty much confirms that it is a full-time control to select the AF point.

Thanks a lot. This brought my hope and expectations back. I feel I have nothing more to ask until the release of the camera.

**microlight** · 02-28-2021, 07:19 AM

Has anything been mentioned in these talks about GPS, or integration via smartphone?

house · 02-28-2021, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by microlight

Has anything been mentioned in these talks about GPS, or integration via smartphone?

My main feature for this would be a setting in imagesync or similar to sync images... That is as soon as I take a photo it will queue up for transfer to my photo in the requested size. If I take a 1000 image burst I wan't it to begin uploading immediately. Then 1hr later when I put my camera down the images are already on the phone in the requested size.

Kunzite · 02-28-2021, 09:50 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by house

My main feature for this would be a setting in imagesync or similar to sync images... That is as soon as I take a photo it will queue up for transfer to my photo in the requested size. If I take a 1000 image burst I wan't it to begin uploading immediately. Then 1hr later when I put my camera down the images are already on the phone in the requested size.

That should be doable, using the Smartphone Link options (the setting in the camera) - I don't think you can set a certain "requested size" but you could e.g. shoot RAW+ with a custom sized JPEG, and set the camera to upload the JPEG.

house · 02-28-2021, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

That should be doable, using the Smartphone Link options (the setting in the camera) - I don't think you can set a certain "requested size" but you could e.g. shoot RAW+ with a custom sized JPEG, and set the camera to upload the JPEG.

Are you saying it can already be done or that it's doable with new software? The former would surprise me and the latter i sure hope so. A second super annoying thing with imagesync is that you don't queue the uploads. You select either one or many buy can't just push new files for upload.

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02-28-2021, 02:44 AM - 1 Like	#31
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	Originally posted by ffking (from the earlier seminar) -the comment of feeding new subject-specific algorithms to the recognition system got me thinking about whether they could produce optional subject specific packs for different types of photography in future, and wondering if that would be a good idea - any thoughts? I doubt they designed the camera to support this other than with general firmware updates. Otherwise it sounds like Minoltas Creative Expansion Card system, where film cameras had a card slot to add features not included in the base camera. Minolta Creative Expansion Card (1988 - 1997) \| Museum of Obsolete Media

02-28-2021, 02:57 AM - 2 Likes	#32
BarneyL Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 898	Originally posted by JPT Wakashiro-san mentioned that Pentax is committed to moving a head with both APS-C and full frame lines. It just happens that this major release is an APS-C one. Part of the reason for their continued commitment to APS-C is the range of high quality lenses they have brought out over the years. Anything about 645?

02-28-2021, 03:20 AM	#33
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by Fogel70 I doubt they designed the camera to support this other than with general firmware updates. Just for clarity, this is the bit of the OPs post I was referring to: 'It's possible to feed lots of e.g. airplane pictures to train the deep learning algorithm, which could then be released as the new firmware. (Wakashiro san didn't say that that's what they'll do.)' Which to me implies they could - I'm sort of interested in the would and should Originally posted by Fogel70 Otherwise it sounds like Minoltas Creative Expansion Card system, where film cameras had a card slot to add features not included in the base camera Ah yes - I'd forgotten about that - things have moved on though -time to try again? The only real logic to this is that it prevents even more memory and computing space being taken up by features that individual photographers might not want - but my abilities such as they are are as a photographer, not a programmer or electronic engineer, so I'm really talking on a philosophical level about whether that sort of thing is a good idea,

02-28-2021, 03:34 AM	#34
mannyquinto Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: manila Posts: 152	Thanks for sharing! It seems that a lot of us are getting seriously interested in having the k3iii. Now, I just need to figure out to increase my fund allocation to buy the camera when it is available.

02-28-2021, 03:52 AM	#35
Yaki Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Sofia Posts: 947	Did no one on all those seminars show or comment on how to use the joystick while looking through the viewfinder? I'm starting to doubt if it can be used that way at all, and that disappoints me somewhat. The main reason I expect the new K3 III is exactly that option. I hope It will make the AF as close to the manual focus as possible as a process, with higher precision. Or maybe my dreams are too brave

02-28-2021, 03:58 AM - 2 Likes	#36
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by Yaki Did no one on all those seminars show or comment on how to use the joystick while looking through the viewfinder? I'm starting to doubt if it can be used that way at all, and that disappoints me somewhat. It seems the only rationale for having a joystick, so perhaps people are just taking it for granted that that will be the implementation, as Pentax are about the last to have one.

02-28-2021, 04:07 AM	#37
Yaki Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Sofia Posts: 947	Originally posted by ffking It seems the only rationale for having a joystick, so perhaps people are just taking it for granted that that will be the implementation, as Pentax are about the last to have one. I hadn't thought of that. Now that you mention it, it is very likely to be so. Thanks.

02-28-2021, 04:32 AM - 1 Like	#38
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Originally posted by Yaki I hadn't thought of that. Now that you mention it, it is very likely to be so. Thanks. Yes. It's a direct control for selecting the AF point In fact there was a part of the interview with Tanaka-san where he was saying that he doesn't want to change the focus point, so he was wondering why it could not be assigned to anything else. This is despite the fact that there are no less than 10 other physical buttons that can be customized to one of 21 functions. So there is already a massive amount of customization. But to come back to your question, that exchange pretty much confirms that it is a full-time control to select the AF point.

02-28-2021, 05:12 AM - 1 Like	#39
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Further to this - As somebody who has never used a camera with a joystick, can a joystick in general or this one in particular be used to activate AF as well as to select the point? The reason for asking is that I massively prefer rear button AF, but moving between buttons while my eye is on the finder isn't my strong suit

02-28-2021, 05:26 AM	#40
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,092	Originally posted by ffking Further to this - As somebody who has never used a camera with a joystick, can a joystick in general or this one in particular be used to activate AF as well as to select the point? The reason for asking is that I massively prefer rear button AF, but moving between buttons while my eye is on the finder isn't my strong suit Gosh, my first thoughts are that would be convenient. Maybe? But even if not, the AF (or AE/L) button is the easiest for me to use sight unseen other than the shutter button itself. And having a more visual reference in the OVF for settings on the new K3III will absolutely be appreciated for someone who like me or you who can be button blind.

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02-28-2021, 06:41 AM	#41
Yaki Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Sofia Posts: 947	Originally posted by JPT Yes. It's a direct control for selecting the AF point In fact there was a part of the interview with Tanaka-san where he was saying that he doesn't want to change the focus point, so he was wondering why it could not be assigned to anything else. This is despite the fact that there are no less than 10 other physical buttons that can be customized to one of 21 functions. So there is already a massive amount of customization. But to come back to your question, that exchange pretty much confirms that it is a full-time control to select the AF point. Thanks a lot. This brought my hope and expectations back. I feel I have nothing more to ask until the release of the camera.

02-28-2021, 07:19 AM	#42
microlight Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,129	Has anything been mentioned in these talks about GPS, or integration via smartphone?

02-28-2021, 09:22 AM	#43
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by microlight Has anything been mentioned in these talks about GPS, or integration via smartphone? My main feature for this would be a setting in imagesync or similar to sync images... That is as soon as I take a photo it will queue up for transfer to my photo in the requested size. If I take a 1000 image burst I wan't it to begin uploading immediately. Then 1hr later when I put my camera down the images are already on the phone in the requested size.

02-28-2021, 09:50 AM - 1 Like	#44
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by house My main feature for this would be a setting in imagesync or similar to sync images... That is as soon as I take a photo it will queue up for transfer to my photo in the requested size. If I take a 1000 image burst I wan't it to begin uploading immediately. Then 1hr later when I put my camera down the images are already on the phone in the requested size. That should be doable, using the Smartphone Link options (the setting in the camera) - I don't think you can set a certain "requested size" but you could e.g. shoot RAW+ with a custom sized JPEG, and set the camera to upload the JPEG.

02-28-2021, 10:01 AM	#45
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by Kunzite That should be doable, using the Smartphone Link options (the setting in the camera) - I don't think you can set a certain "requested size" but you could e.g. shoot RAW+ with a custom sized JPEG, and set the camera to upload the JPEG. Are you saying it can already be done or that it's doable with new software? The former would surprise me and the latter i sure hope so. A second super annoying thing with imagesync is that you don't queue the uploads. You select either one or many buy can't just push new files for upload.