K-3 III Video Uploaded March 7, 2021

Paul the Sunman · 03-08-2021, 02:05 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pres589

How would a "portrait camera" be any different from the K-3 III? Serious question.

Probably by being FF. I think of the K1 as being the portrait camera, but they've classified it as "landscape".

MMVIII · 03-08-2021, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by Paul the Sunman

Probably by being FF. I think of the K1 as being the portrait camera, but they've classified it as "landscape".

First, I don't think such a classification is meant to be exclusive, but more highlighting a special strong point of a setup.
Second, this video is by a photographer and not by Ricoh. He may just express his opinion.
However, Ricoh for sure has seen and accepted it, even if it does not have to be their internal classification.

For the moment being the KP is still available in all markets outside of Japan. I don't know how long the stock might last but who said there would not be a new one close to release. The KP was released without any preannouncement too. It might just be as affected by delivery and production delays as other cameras too.

bxf · 03-08-2021, 03:31 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by caliscouser

I say this with love

but why do Ricoh's presentations all look like they are done in a low rent early 90's insurance office ?

They were created during the planning stages of the camera

thibs · 03-08-2021, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by Paul the Sunman

Probably by being FF. I think of the K1 as being the portrait camera, but they've classified it as "landscape".

Because landscape is supposedly in opposition to "action".
IMO portrait is more of a draw. Ideally FF, sure because there's (potentially) more resolution and better choices of 'portrait' lenses.
BUT there's no real technical reason to classify APS or FF camera as 'portrait' format (if it even makes any sense to do such things).

I suppose Hasselblads would be rather classified as 'portraits' cameras opposed to action or landscape.

But in the end, anyone does whatever she/he wants with her/his camera.

Personnaly, I bought my K1 foremost to take pictures of my daughter so I guess it is a portrait camera, whatever it means.

**ffking** · 03-08-2021, 03:37 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Paul the Sunman

So, why did they discontinue the KP?

My first thought too.

KPii???

KiloHotelphoto · 03-08-2021, 03:56 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by MMVIII

I like this introduction slide:

K1 landscape
K-3 moving body (I assume sport/wildlife)
KP casual (I assume Fujiish hipster

)
K-70 entry level camera
K-3 Mark III is the core of the series (translation lost the III)

Where does the 645Z fit in?

**Pål Jensen** · 03-08-2021, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by MMVIII

K-3 moving body (I assume sport/wildlife)

Yes, but it could also mean portable in addition. Ie small and lightweight high-end system.

MMVIII · 03-08-2021, 04:25 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Yes, but it could also mean portable in addition. Ie small and lightweight high-end system.

Sure. Would make sense.

Here the original, maybe someone with language skills can get to are more precise translation.

This is what DeepL gives:

"Positioning among PENTAX SLR cameras

*K-1 is a landscape camera, K-3 is a dynamic camera KP is a casual camera K-70 is an entry-level camera

*K-3 MarkIII is the core of the K series"

---------- Post added 03-08-21 at 01:31 PM ----------

Originally posted by KiloHotelphoto

Where does the 645Z fit in?

I would see this a listing of "K-mount-cameras".

**Pål Jensen** · 03-08-2021, 04:32 AM

Originally posted by MMVIII

*K-3 MarkIII is the core of the K series"

This statement is quite interesting.
Remember that some people dismissed the K3 altogether. There would be no K3 (mark I) replacement. No Nikon D300 replacement aka no D500 they said, because everyone in their right mind would by an FF camera instead.
Apparently Pentax doesn't think so.....

**Rondec** · 03-08-2021, 04:41 AM

Originally posted by Paul the Sunman

So, why did they discontinue the KP?

And where is the portrait camera to go with the DFA* 50 and 85?

I don't think the KP is discontinued. It may be in short supply due to trouble getting parts (same reason that the K-3 III isn't out yet). Between COVID and chip factory fire, it seems that camera companies are having a bit of a hard time getting good supplies of parts they need right now.

Mistral75 · 03-08-2021, 05:35 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Rondec

I don't think the KP is discontinued. (...)

Ricoh Imaging seem to think otherwise.

Source: Products | RICOH IMAGING

reh321 · 03-08-2021, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by pres589

How would a "portrait camera" be any different from the K-3 III? Serious question.

A.”portrait” camera doesn’t need mobility or fast focusing
An “action” camera needs fast focusing.
A “field” {landscape} camera is where they need a “flippy” LCD.

**Larrymc** · 03-08-2021, 06:55 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Paul the Sunman

Probably by being FF. I think of the K1 as being the portrait camera, but they've classified it as "landscape".

Sooooo.......you've been using the K-1 for Portraits?? You know that's a violation of protocol, don't you?

Off to the Gulag for you!

**ThorSanchez** · 03-08-2021, 07:07 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by pres589

How would a "portrait camera" be any different from the K-3 III? Serious question.

I think we tend to turn the world into binary choices, when much of it is a continuum with relatively few extremes. And we see our own little niches as the whole world, so the extremes of our little corner are seen as the edges of the universe.

In reality many, many portraits will be taken with the K-3 III, most of them indistinguishable from the results out of a 645Z or a Q or a K-7. Nobody thinks that the K-30 or the K-3ii are hard-core action cameras, but I've taken thousands of photos of sports with them. I'm sure there have been countless beautiful landscapes taken with a Nikon D500, which is an APS-C camera optimized for action.

If you made a scale of 0-10 with 0 being all still life and landscape, and 10 being completely optimized for action, every recent Pentax camera would probably fall into the 4-6 or 3-7 range. All of them could reasonably be classified as all-arounders with perhaps the exception of the 645Z. And even with the 645 I'm sure a really good photographer could get some fine action shots.

Cruddola · 03-08-2021, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by Larrymc

Sooooo.......you've been using the K-1 for Portraits?? You know that's a violation of protocol, don't you?

Off to the Gulag for you!

I guess I'll get the firing squad... I've turned to using a Sony RX-10 v.1 for my portraits because I can sync with my 30 year-old Elinchrom EL 250s and EL 500s up to 1/2000th of a second! Woopie! That's, of course, If I'm not using the P67s with constant lighting for my B&W work.

03-08-2021, 02:15 AM	#17
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by Paul the Sunman Probably by being FF. I think of the K1 as being the portrait camera, but they've classified it as "landscape". First, I don't think such a classification is meant to be exclusive, but more highlighting a special strong point of a setup. Second, this video is by a photographer and not by Ricoh. He may just express his opinion. However, Ricoh for sure has seen and accepted it, even if it does not have to be their internal classification. For the moment being the KP is still available in all markets outside of Japan. I don't know how long the stock might last but who said there would not be a new one close to release. The KP was released without any preannouncement too. It might just be as affected by delivery and production delays as other cameras too. Last edited by MMVIII; 03-08-2021 at 03:33 AM.

03-08-2021, 04:25 AM	#23
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by Pål Jensen Yes, but it could also mean portable in addition. Ie small and lightweight high-end system. Sure. Would make sense. Here the original, maybe someone with language skills can get to are more precise translation. This is what DeepL gives: "Positioning among PENTAX SLR cameras K-1 is a landscape camera, K-3 is a dynamic camera KP is a casual camera K-70 is an entry-level camera K-3 MarkIII is the core of the K series" ---------- Post added 03-08-21 at 01:31 PM ---------- Originally posted by KiloHotelphoto Where does the 645Z fit in? I would see this a listing of "K-mount-cameras". Attached Images

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03-08-2021, 02:05 AM - 1 Like	#16
Paul the Sunman Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,843	Originally posted by pres589 How would a "portrait camera" be any different from the K-3 III? Serious question. Probably by being FF. I think of the K1 as being the portrait camera, but they've classified it as "landscape".

03-08-2021, 03:31 AM - 2 Likes	#18
bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by caliscouser I say this with love but why do Ricoh's presentations all look like they are done in a low rent early 90's insurance office ? They were created during the planning stages of the camera

03-08-2021, 03:34 AM	#19
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Paul the Sunman Probably by being FF. I think of the K1 as being the portrait camera, but they've classified it as "landscape". Because landscape is supposedly in opposition to "action". IMO portrait is more of a draw. Ideally FF, sure because there's (potentially) more resolution and better choices of 'portrait' lenses. BUT there's no real technical reason to classify APS or FF camera as 'portrait' format (if it even makes any sense to do such things). I suppose Hasselblads would be rather classified as 'portraits' cameras opposed to action or landscape. But in the end, anyone does whatever she/he wants with her/his camera. Personnaly, I bought my K1 foremost to take pictures of my daughter so I guess it is a portrait camera, whatever it means.

03-08-2021, 03:37 AM - 1 Like	#20
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by Paul the Sunman So, why did they discontinue the KP? My first thought too. KPii???

03-08-2021, 03:56 AM - 1 Like	#21
KiloHotelphoto Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Glen Mills, PA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,030	Originally posted by MMVIII I like this introduction slide: K1 landscape K-3 moving body (I assume sport/wildlife) KP casual (I assume Fujiish hipster ) K-70 entry level camera K-3 Mark III is the core of the series (translation lost the III) Where does the 645Z fit in?

03-08-2021, 04:00 AM	#22
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by MMVIII K-3 moving body (I assume sport/wildlife) Yes, but it could also mean portable in addition. Ie small and lightweight high-end system.

03-08-2021, 04:32 AM	#24
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by MMVIII *K-3 MarkIII is the core of the K series" This statement is quite interesting. Remember that some people dismissed the K3 altogether. There would be no K3 (mark I) replacement. No Nikon D300 replacement aka no D500 they said, because everyone in their right mind would by an FF camera instead. Apparently Pentax doesn't think so.....

03-08-2021, 04:41 AM	#25
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by Paul the Sunman So, why did they discontinue the KP? And where is the portrait camera to go with the DFA* 50 and 85? I don't think the KP is discontinued. It may be in short supply due to trouble getting parts (same reason that the K-3 III isn't out yet). Between COVID and chip factory fire, it seems that camera companies are having a bit of a hard time getting good supplies of parts they need right now.

03-08-2021, 05:35 AM - 2 Likes	#26
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Rondec I don't think the KP is discontinued. (...) Ricoh Imaging seem to think otherwise. Source: Products \| RICOH IMAGING

03-08-2021, 06:54 AM	#27
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by pres589 How would a "portrait camera" be any different from the K-3 III? Serious question. A.”portrait” camera doesn’t need mobility or fast focusing An “action” camera needs fast focusing. A “field” {landscape} camera is where they need a “flippy” LCD.

03-08-2021, 06:55 AM - 1 Like	#28
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by Paul the Sunman Probably by being FF. I think of the K1 as being the portrait camera, but they've classified it as "landscape". Sooooo.......you've been using the K-1 for Portraits?? You know that's a violation of protocol, don't you? Off to the Gulag for you!

03-08-2021, 07:07 AM - 3 Likes	#29
ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,806	Originally posted by pres589 How would a "portrait camera" be any different from the K-3 III? Serious question. I think we tend to turn the world into binary choices, when much of it is a continuum with relatively few extremes. And we see our own little niches as the whole world, so the extremes of our little corner are seen as the edges of the universe. In reality many, many portraits will be taken with the K-3 III, most of them indistinguishable from the results out of a 645Z or a Q or a K-7. Nobody thinks that the K-30 or the K-3ii are hard-core action cameras, but I've taken thousands of photos of sports with them. I'm sure there have been countless beautiful landscapes taken with a Nikon D500, which is an APS-C camera optimized for action. If you made a scale of 0-10 with 0 being all still life and landscape, and 10 being completely optimized for action, every recent Pentax camera would probably fall into the 4-6 or 3-7 range. All of them could reasonably be classified as all-arounders with perhaps the exception of the 645Z. And even with the 645 I'm sure a really good photographer could get some fine action shots.

03-08-2021, 08:00 AM	#30
Cruddola Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Arizona Posts: 25	Originally posted by Larrymc Sooooo.......you've been using the K-1 for Portraits?? You know that's a violation of protocol, don't you? Off to the Gulag for you! I guess I'll get the firing squad... I've turned to using a Sony RX-10 v.1 for my portraits because I can sync with my 30 year-old Elinchrom EL 250s and EL 500s up to 1/2000th of a second! Woopie! That's, of course, If I'm not using the P67s with constant lighting for my B&W work.