K-3 III Video Uploaded March 7, 2021

KiloHotelphoto · 03-08-2021, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by MMVIII

Sure. Would make sense.

Here the original, maybe someone with language skills can get to are more precise translation.

This is what DeepL gives:

"Positioning among PENTAX SLR cameras

*K-1 is a landscape camera, K-3 is a dynamic camera KP is a casual camera K-70 is an entry-level camera

*K-3 MarkIII is the core of the K series"

---------- Post added 03-08-21 at 01:31 PM ----------

I would see this a listing of "K-mount-cameras".

But the slide says Positioning in Pentax SLR cameras. It doesn't say just K mount but I think that is really all they have left. They have pretty much given up on the 645.

repaap · 03-08-2021, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by KiloHotelphoto

But the slide says Positioning in Pentax SLR cameras. It doesn't say just K mount but I think that is really all they have left. They have pretty much given up on the 645.

As far as we know latest 645 about to be presented was suspended at the last moment, propably because it was going to share GFX100s sensor and GFX was so much more cheap. Propably aggressive move even in that perspective from Fuji. Now this could be that they have given up, or it could mean that they have to re think, to not to make a huge mistake and try again.

Smolk · 03-08-2021, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by reh321

In the days of film, professionals used medium-format to take 'portraits'.
Which way they used it depended on how many people were photographed.

With 6x6, a rather widespread medium format, that would not matter. And I'm not that sure there are many portrait 6x7 photos made with the Behemoth Pentax.

**TwoUptons** · 03-08-2021, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Shouldn't a portrait camera be taller than its width?

The Canon certainly is, though the Mine Six is a landscape form factor, despite its portrait image taking.

Though the Mine Six can also shoot square. If my Rolleiflex and Yashicamat both have sports finders, does that mean square pictures are for sports?

A former coworker bought the remains of a WWII portrait studio back in the 1990s. I think the smallest camera they used (for engagement announcements and such) was 8x10 inches... none of that Pentax subminiature nonsense.

It was remarkable to see how they did retouching, too. But it was definitely a case of a mirrorless interchangeable lens camera being larger than any FF DSLR

-Eric

**Fontan** · 03-08-2021, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by repaap

As far as we know latest 645 about to be presented was suspended at the last moment, propably because it was going to share GFX100s sensor and GFX was so much more cheap. Propably aggressive move even in that perspective from Fuji. Now this could be that they have given up, or it could mean that they have to re think, to not to make a huge mistake and try again.

Good point. If there are too much discrepancies in size and price between GFX100s and new 645, this OVF philosophy consistent with K3III isn't going to be as good an argument or selling point, at least for me.

**rod_grant** · 03-08-2021, 08:54 PM - **2 Likes**

Settle down, guys, with the portrait/landscape orientation argument.
I think biz-engineer was having a joke.

One advantage of labelling a camera model as being aimed at portrait or landscape photographers is that the other site might be less strident in criticism of inability to focus on a moving bicycle.

biz-engineer · 03-08-2021, 09:16 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by mattt

Better than chopping heads off...

Now, that's not a portrait camera anymore, that's an illegal camera.

**rod_grant** · 03-08-2021, 09:21 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Now, that's not a portrait camera anymore, that's an illegal camera.

Is anyone going to argue with this one?

**yucatanPentax** · 03-08-2021, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by MMVIII

I like this introduction slide:

K1 landscape
K-3 moving body (I assume sport/wildlife)
KP casual (I assume Fujiish hipster

)
K-70 entry level camera
K-3 Mark III is the core of the series (translation lost the III)

Given this description of the KP, is it actually discontinued? Simply out of stock? "Casual" is an interesting description. "coolest version", maybe?

JPT · 03-09-2021, 02:00 AM - **4 Likes**

Yoshiaki Kobayashi is speaking as a guest of Ricoh but he is not a Ricoh spokesperson. He is just explaining who he thinks Ricoh's recent cameras are good for. Most of his sentences in that part of the talk include と思います (I think), so I understand it as his personal view.

The KP is definitely discontinued now (first referred to by Japan retailers and then reflected on the Ricoh site). There is likely to be a gap before any replacement. In terms of order, the K-3 III has to be first and then probably a K-70 replacement. It's possible that the KP was only ever meant to be a one-off. Or perhaps the K-70 and KP will merge into something, like closer to the KP styling but with a price closer to the K-70.

Anyway, looking back at this thread, I think people are reading too much into that slide. It's just his opinion.

lemono · 03-09-2021, 02:41 AM - **2 Likes**

Suspension does not mean the end, Ricoh may have a new decision about 645 camera.
KP has been stopped because of its unsatisfactory sales, and the production line has given way to k3III. No more cameras like KP.
At least three dealers or photographers close to Ricoh have mentioned this to me.

repaap · 03-09-2021, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by Fontan

Good point. If there are too much discrepancies in size and price between GFX100s and new 645, this OVF philosophy consistent with K3III isn't going to be as good an argument or selling point, at least for me.

This is what I would incline to think of. They have said several times that 645 line as well as K-mont is what they want to keep. it would be foolish to see a possible big speedbump dangering whole consept and still go ahead with out adjusting. OVF is big thing for many pentaxians. and IF they can make it look and feel good, then couple thousand € difference wont matter 'that' much. I presume that many present users would like to go there from their 645Z. Now 12000 is about 50% more than GFX100s and it is too much to ask, even if it would be very good and have amazing OVF and they know this.

---------- Post added 03-09-21 at 12:15 ----------

Originally posted by lemono

Suspension does not mean the end, Ricoh may have a new decision about 645 camera.
KP has been stopped because of its unsatisfactory sales, and the production line has given way to k3III. No more cameras like KP.
At least three dealers or photographers close to Ricoh have mentioned this to me.

I do agree completelly. Although many does enjoy their KP, many of them bought it when it was already 30-50% off. Suppos the K-70 with big updates would do better.

I do agree about suspension of 645 too. It does not mean it is deleted from plan, just have to think again of some things.

**Pål Jensen** · 03-09-2021, 03:40 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by JPT

It's possible that the KP was only ever meant to be a one-off..

I think that is very likely. If I remember correctly, the naming that deviates from the normal Pentax naming protocol, like K-1, K-7, K-70 etc, indicate one-offs trying out something different.

**TwoUptons** · 03-09-2021, 03:46 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rod_grant

Settle down, guys, with the portrait/landscape orientation argument.
I think biz-engineer was having a joke.

One advantage of labelling a camera model as being aimed at portrait or landscape photographers is that the other site might be less strident in criticism of inability to focus on a moving bicycle.

I hope that was all part of a joke...
That was certainly my intent, and for I think the same reasons...

-Eric

Kunzite · 03-09-2021, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

I think that is very likely. If I remember correctly, the naming that deviates from the normal Pentax naming protocol, like K-1, K-7, K-70 etc, indicate one-offs trying out something different.

Right; but if they work out, they can be merged into the "main" line - like the K-S2 being the basis for the K-70. So it's not necessarily one-off.

I hope they will make a new KP-like (perhaps not with removable grips) camera, it fits the DA Limiteds very well.

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03-08-2021, 01:56 PM	#46
KiloHotelphoto Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Glen Mills, PA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,030	Originally posted by MMVIII Sure. Would make sense. Here the original, maybe someone with language skills can get to are more precise translation. This is what DeepL gives: "Positioning among PENTAX SLR cameras K-1 is a landscape camera, K-3 is a dynamic camera KP is a casual camera K-70 is an entry-level camera K-3 MarkIII is the core of the K series" ---------- Post added 03-08-21 at 01:31 PM ---------- I would see this a listing of "K-mount-cameras". But the slide says Positioning in Pentax SLR cameras. It doesn't say just K mount but I think that is really all they have left. They have pretty much given up on the 645.

03-08-2021, 02:04 PM	#47
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by KiloHotelphoto But the slide says Positioning in Pentax SLR cameras. It doesn't say just K mount but I think that is really all they have left. They have pretty much given up on the 645. As far as we know latest 645 about to be presented was suspended at the last moment, propably because it was going to share GFX100s sensor and GFX was so much more cheap. Propably aggressive move even in that perspective from Fuji. Now this could be that they have given up, or it could mean that they have to re think, to not to make a huge mistake and try again.

03-08-2021, 03:03 PM	#48
Smolk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Eerbeek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,857	Originally posted by reh321 In the days of film, professionals used medium-format to take 'portraits'. Which way they used it depended on how many people were photographed. With 6x6, a rather widespread medium format, that would not matter. And I'm not that sure there are many portrait 6x7 photos made with the Behemoth Pentax.

03-08-2021, 03:36 PM	#49
TwoUptons Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,214	Originally posted by biz-engineer Shouldn't a portrait camera be taller than its width? The Canon certainly is, though the Mine Six is a landscape form factor, despite its portrait image taking. Though the Mine Six can also shoot square. If my Rolleiflex and Yashicamat both have sports finders, does that mean square pictures are for sports? A former coworker bought the remains of a WWII portrait studio back in the 1990s. I think the smallest camera they used (for engagement announcements and such) was 8x10 inches... none of that Pentax subminiature nonsense. It was remarkable to see how they did retouching, too. But it was definitely a case of a mirrorless interchangeable lens camera being larger than any FF DSLR -Eric

03-08-2021, 03:56 PM	#50
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	Originally posted by repaap As far as we know latest 645 about to be presented was suspended at the last moment, propably because it was going to share GFX100s sensor and GFX was so much more cheap. Propably aggressive move even in that perspective from Fuji. Now this could be that they have given up, or it could mean that they have to re think, to not to make a huge mistake and try again. Good point. If there are too much discrepancies in size and price between GFX100s and new 645, this OVF philosophy consistent with K3III isn't going to be as good an argument or selling point, at least for me.

03-08-2021, 08:54 PM - 2 Likes	#51
rod_grant Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wangaratta, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,951	Settle down, guys, with the portrait/landscape orientation argument. I think biz-engineer was having a joke. One advantage of labelling a camera model as being aimed at portrait or landscape photographers is that the other site *might* be less strident in criticism of inability to focus on a moving bicycle.

03-08-2021, 09:16 PM - 3 Likes	#52
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by mattt Better than chopping heads off... Now, that's not a portrait camera anymore, that's an illegal camera.

03-08-2021, 09:21 PM - 1 Like	#53
rod_grant Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wangaratta, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,951	Originally posted by biz-engineer Now, that's not a portrait camera anymore, that's an illegal camera. Is anyone going to argue with this one?

03-08-2021, 11:54 PM	#54
yucatanPentax Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas / Yucatan Posts: 1,840	Originally posted by MMVIII I like this introduction slide: K1 landscape K-3 moving body (I assume sport/wildlife) KP casual (I assume Fujiish hipster ) K-70 entry level camera K-3 Mark III is the core of the series (translation lost the III) Given this description of the KP, is it actually discontinued? Simply out of stock? "Casual" is an interesting description. "coolest version", maybe?

03-09-2021, 02:00 AM - 4 Likes	#55
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Yoshiaki Kobayashi is speaking as a guest of Ricoh but he is not a Ricoh spokesperson. He is just explaining who he thinks Ricoh's recent cameras are good for. Most of his sentences in that part of the talk include と思います (I think), so I understand it as his personal view. The KP is definitely discontinued now (first referred to by Japan retailers and then reflected on the Ricoh site). There is likely to be a gap before any replacement. In terms of order, the K-3 III has to be first and then probably a K-70 replacement. It's possible that the KP was only ever meant to be a one-off. Or perhaps the K-70 and KP will merge into something, like closer to the KP styling but with a price closer to the K-70. Anyway, looking back at this thread, I think people are reading too much into that slide. It's just his opinion.

03-09-2021, 02:41 AM - 2 Likes	#56
lemono Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 111	Suspension does not mean the end, Ricoh may have a new decision about 645 camera. KP has been stopped because of its unsatisfactory sales, and the production line has given way to k3III. No more cameras like KP. At least three dealers or photographers close to Ricoh have mentioned this to me.

03-09-2021, 03:12 AM	#57
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by Fontan Good point. If there are too much discrepancies in size and price between GFX100s and new 645, this OVF philosophy consistent with K3III isn't going to be as good an argument or selling point, at least for me. This is what I would incline to think of. They have said several times that 645 line as well as K-mont is what they want to keep. it would be foolish to see a possible big speedbump dangering whole consept and still go ahead with out adjusting. OVF is big thing for many pentaxians. and IF they can make it look and feel good, then couple thousand € difference wont matter 'that' much. I presume that many present users would like to go there from their 645Z. Now 12000 is about 50% more than GFX100s and it is too much to ask, even if it would be very good and have amazing OVF and they know this. ---------- Post added 03-09-21 at 12:15 ---------- Originally posted by lemono Suspension does not mean the end, Ricoh may have a new decision about 645 camera. KP has been stopped because of its unsatisfactory sales, and the production line has given way to k3III. No more cameras like KP. At least three dealers or photographers close to Ricoh have mentioned this to me. I do agree completelly. Although many does enjoy their KP, many of them bought it when it was already 30-50% off. Suppos the K-70 with big updates would do better. I do agree about suspension of 645 too. It does not mean it is deleted from plan, just have to think again of some things.

03-09-2021, 03:40 AM - 1 Like	#58
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by JPT It's possible that the KP was only ever meant to be a one-off.. I think that is very likely. If I remember correctly, the naming that deviates from the normal Pentax naming protocol, like K-1, K-7, K-70 etc, indicate one-offs trying out something different.

03-09-2021, 03:46 AM - 1 Like	#59
TwoUptons Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,214	Originally posted by rod_grant Settle down, guys, with the portrait/landscape orientation argument. I think biz-engineer was having a joke. One advantage of labelling a camera model as being aimed at portrait or landscape photographers is that the other site *might* be less strident in criticism of inability to focus on a moving bicycle. I hope that was all part of a joke... That was certainly my intent, and for I think the same reasons... -Eric

03-09-2021, 03:47 AM	#60
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Pål Jensen I think that is very likely. If I remember correctly, the naming that deviates from the normal Pentax naming protocol, like K-1, K-7, K-70 etc, indicate one-offs trying out something different. Right; but if they work out, they can be merged into the "main" line - like the K-S2 being the basis for the K-70. So it's not necessarily one-off. I hope they will make a new KP-like (perhaps not with removable grips) camera, it fits the DA Limiteds very well.