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reh321 · 03-21-2021, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

We are getting dangerously close to invoking the Big E Word here, everyone tread carefully! :P

What can you expect from people who have silly discussions about floppy screens - they will also have silly discussions about spelling words.

Kunzite · 03-21-2021, 09:24 AM - **1 Like**

Tony Growden merely asked if the D FA 150-450 would work on his K-3. The proper answer for that is "yes! - and it will be similar to putting the K-1 in APS-C crop mode".
We don't need any fake metres for that.

beholder3 · 03-21-2021, 09:29 AM

lovely discussion.

The distance scale is definitely „mètre“ when it comes to ultimate correctness. It is a french word based on a french invented scale.

Local translations into „Micky Mouse“ or similar are up to local groups and local languages, obviously.

Funny enough the local German term is „Meter“.

light meter...

---------- Post added 21st Mar 2021 at 17:31 ----------

Originally posted by Kunzite

Tony Growden merely asked if the D FA 150-450 would work on his K-3. The proper answer for that is "yes! - and it will be similar to putting the K-1 in APS-C crop mode".
We don't need any fake metres for that.

Can we please also discuss why the software zoom mode is falsely called „crop mode“?
Smartphones use software zoom and are open about it.

reh321 · 03-21-2021, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by beholder3

lovely discussion.

The distance scale is definitely „mètre“ when it comes to ultimate correctness. It is a french word based on a french invented scale.

Local translations into „Micky Mouse“ or similar are up to local groups and local languages, obviously.

Funny enough the local German term is „Meter“.

light meter...

The French spelling is irrelevant regardless of who used the {or "le" or "la"} word first.
Americans went our own way {please, let's not discuss that too} over 200 years ago with French help.

MMVIII · 03-21-2021, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by beholder3

lovely discussion.

The distance scale is definitely „mètre“ when it comes to ultimate correctness. It is a french word based on a french invented scale.

Local translations into „Micky Mouse“ or similar are up to local groups and local languages, obviously.

Funny enough the local German term is „Meter“.

light meter...

---------- Post added 21st Mar 2021 at 17:31 ----------

Can we please also discuss why the software zoom mode is falsely called „crop mode“?
Smartphones use software zoom and are open about it.

Can we agree that it is derived from the Ancient Greek term métron (μέτρον). Thanks.

Kunzite · 03-21-2021, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by beholder3

Can we please also discuss why the software zoom mode is falsely called „crop mode“?
Smartphones use software zoom and are open about it.

"Software zoom" is wrong, crop is correct: the image is effectively cropped.
It doesn't matter if it's done by a camera setting, in post processing or directly on the printed image, with a pair of scissors.

reh321 · 03-21-2021, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

"Software zoom" is wrong, crop is correct: the image is effectively cropped.
It doesn't matter if it's done by a camera setting, in post processing or directly on the printed image, with a pair of scissors.

and cropping would be of little value if the display device did not "normalize", displaying everything at virtually the same size.
Incidentally, most "software cropping" I'm aware of also interpolates - creating new pixels to guess what they looked like,
so it is not quite the same thing that one could do with scissors.

beholder3 · 03-21-2021, 10:21 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by MMVIII

Can we agree that it is derived from the Ancient Greek term métron (μέτρον). Thanks.

Nobody cares what a term is derived from, so that would be utterly silly. Something is given a name at "birth" and that be the name that is "correct".

---------- Post added 21st Mar 2021 at 18:23 ----------

Originally posted by Kunzite

"Software zoom" is wrong, crop is correct: the image is effectively cropped.
It doesn't matter if it's done by a camera setting, in post processing or directly on the printed image, with a pair of scissors.

Well the image is mainly magnified / zoomed in to create the result via software. That is why the resolution is worse than when not using software zoom.

---------- Post added 21st Mar 2021 at 18:30 ----------

Originally posted by reh321

Americans went our own way {please, let's not discuss that too} over 200 years ago with French help.

Oh, then can we please discuss wether the migrating / invading Europeans plus their mostly African slaves are "Americans"? What is the correct term in one native American language?

I mean, on photo forums we do learn that only "native" lenses get counted. So why refer to an "adapted" language?

[just joking! I think this thread is not really about details of terminology and it should stop]

Equivalency! Equivalency! Equivalency! Equivalency!

**RobA_Oz** · 03-21-2021, 12:33 PM - **4 Likes**

The number of rabbit holes people are diving into may well be a measure of the impatience with which we await the arrival of the K-3iii. You could say it’s an impatience meter.

**c.a.m** · 03-21-2021, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

You could say it’s an impatience meter.

Which is equivalent to an eagerness metre.

- Craig

Smolk · 03-21-2021, 02:02 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by MMVIII

Can we agree that it is derived from the Ancient Greek term métron (μέτρον). Thanks.

The English spelling is a reflection of etymology: just as subtle includes a b which was not pronounced, just because the original Latin subtilis had one. But it is a chosen reflection in a loanword that did not have the letter pronounced at the time of borrowing.

Just to crank up the impatience metre by a few tokens

**TedH42** · 03-21-2021, 02:54 PM - **1 Like**

What are we talking about here?

reh321 · 03-21-2021, 03:07 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by TedH42

What are we talking about here?

We are marking time until Pentax gets around to releasing the K-3iii.

mtkeller · 03-21-2021, 03:14 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by reh321

We are marking time until Pentax gets around to releasing the K-3iii.

Starting to read like a Beckett script.

**Serkevan** · 03-21-2021, 03:41 PM - **11 Likes**

Originally posted by mtkeller

Starting to read like a Beckett script.

Waiting for Godox?

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03-21-2021, 09:21 AM	#46
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by Serkevan We are getting dangerously close to invoking the Big E Word here, everyone tread carefully! :P What can you expect from people who have silly discussions about floppy screens - they will also have silly discussions about spelling words.

03-21-2021, 09:24 AM - 1 Like	#47
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Tony Growden merely asked if the D FA 150-450 would work on his K-3. The proper answer for that is "yes! - and it will be similar to putting the K-1 in APS-C crop mode". We don't need any fake metres for that.

03-21-2021, 09:29 AM	#48
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	lovely discussion. The distance scale is definitely „mètre“ when it comes to ultimate correctness. It is a french word based on a french invented scale. Local translations into „Micky Mouse“ or similar are up to local groups and local languages, obviously. Funny enough the local German term is „Meter“. light meter... ---------- Post added 21st Mar 2021 at 17:31 ---------- Originally posted by Kunzite Tony Growden merely asked if the D FA 150-450 would work on his K-3. The proper answer for that is "yes! - and it will be similar to putting the K-1 in APS-C crop mode". We don't need any fake metres for that. Can we please also discuss why the software zoom mode is falsely called „crop mode“? Smartphones use software zoom and are open about it.

03-21-2021, 09:32 AM	#49
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by beholder3 lovely discussion. The distance scale is definitely „mètre“ when it comes to ultimate correctness. It is a french word based on a french invented scale. Local translations into „Micky Mouse“ or similar are up to local groups and local languages, obviously. Funny enough the local German term is „Meter“. light meter... The French spelling is irrelevant regardless of who used the {or "le" or "la"} word first. Americans went our own way {please, let's not discuss that too} over 200 years ago with French help.

03-21-2021, 09:35 AM	#50
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by beholder3 lovely discussion. The distance scale is definitely „mètre“ when it comes to ultimate correctness. It is a french word based on a french invented scale. Local translations into „Micky Mouse“ or similar are up to local groups and local languages, obviously. Funny enough the local German term is „Meter“. light meter... ---------- Post added 21st Mar 2021 at 17:31 ---------- Can we please also discuss why the software zoom mode is falsely called „crop mode“? Smartphones use software zoom and are open about it. Can we agree that it is derived from the Ancient Greek term métron (μέτρον). Thanks.

03-21-2021, 09:44 AM	#51
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by beholder3 Can we please also discuss why the software zoom mode is falsely called „crop mode“? Smartphones use software zoom and are open about it. "Software zoom" is wrong, crop is correct: the image is effectively cropped. It doesn't matter if it's done by a camera setting, in post processing or directly on the printed image, with a pair of scissors.

03-21-2021, 10:18 AM	#52
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by Kunzite "Software zoom" is wrong, crop is correct: the image is effectively cropped. It doesn't matter if it's done by a camera setting, in post processing or directly on the printed image, with a pair of scissors. and cropping would be of little value if the display device did not "normalize", displaying everything at virtually the same size. Incidentally, most "software cropping" I'm aware of also interpolates - creating new pixels to guess what they looked like, so it is not quite the same thing that one could do with scissors.

03-21-2021, 10:21 AM - 1 Like	#53
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	Originally posted by MMVIII Can we agree that it is derived from the Ancient Greek term métron (μέτρον). Thanks. Nobody cares what a term is derived from, so that would be utterly silly. Something is given a name at "birth" and that be the name that is "correct". ---------- Post added 21st Mar 2021 at 18:23 ---------- Originally posted by Kunzite "Software zoom" is wrong, crop is correct: the image is effectively cropped. It doesn't matter if it's done by a camera setting, in post processing or directly on the printed image, with a pair of scissors. Well the image is mainly magnified / zoomed in to create the result via software. That is why the resolution is worse than when not using software zoom. ---------- Post added 21st Mar 2021 at 18:30 ---------- Originally posted by reh321 Americans went our own way {please, let's not discuss that too} over 200 years ago with French help. Oh, then can we please discuss wether the migrating / invading Europeans plus their mostly African slaves are "Americans"? What is the correct term in one native American language? I mean, on photo forums we do learn that only "native" lenses get counted. So why refer to an "adapted" language? [just joking! I think this thread is not really about details of terminology and it should stop] Equivalency! Equivalency! Equivalency! Equivalency!

03-21-2021, 12:33 PM - 4 Likes	#54
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	The number of rabbit holes people are diving into may well be a measure of the impatience with which we await the arrival of the K-3iii. You could say it’s an impatience meter.

03-21-2021, 12:49 PM	#55
c.a.m Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ottawa, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,193	Originally posted by RobA_Oz You could say it’s an impatience meter. Which is equivalent to an eagerness metre. - Craig

03-21-2021, 02:02 PM - 1 Like	#56
Smolk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Eerbeek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,857	Originally posted by MMVIII Can we agree that it is derived from the Ancient Greek term métron (μέτρον). Thanks. The English spelling is a reflection of etymology: just as subtle includes a b which was not pronounced, just because the original Latin subtilis had one. But it is a chosen reflection in a loanword that did not have the letter pronounced at the time of borrowing. Just to crank up the impatience metre by a few tokens

03-21-2021, 02:54 PM - 1 Like	#57
TedH42 F/8 & Somewhere Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Colorado Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,412	What are we talking about here?

03-21-2021, 03:07 PM - 1 Like	#58
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by TedH42 What are we talking about here? We are marking time until Pentax gets around to releasing the K-3iii.

03-21-2021, 03:14 PM - 4 Likes	#59
mtkeller Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Sioux City, IA Photos: Gallery Posts: 938	Originally posted by reh321 We are marking time until Pentax gets around to releasing the K-3iii. Starting to read like a Beckett script.

03-21-2021, 03:41 PM - 11 Likes	#60
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by mtkeller Starting to read like a Beckett script. Waiting for Godox?

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