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**ben-pentax** · 04-05-2021, 07:04 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Belnan

Pay 2000 for a K3-III get great autofocus and speed

Pay 1800 for a New K1 II and get a 36 MP FF sensor, flip screen and GPS.

There are other differences but that is the real dilemma I think. I'm sure that Pentax is well aware though and has figured that into there calculations

I'm sure of it. They will solve the dilemma for some of us when the k1-iii comes around with all the expected k1 features, the expected k3-iii features and the not expected k1-iii features at a price of 2,500-3000 USD.

At least I have no dilemma. I'm saving my pennies for the k1-iii.

beholder3 · 04-05-2021, 07:14 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ben-pentax

I'm sure of it. They will solve the dilemma for some of us when the k1-iii comes around with all the expected k1 features, the expected k3-iii features and the not expected k1-iii features at a price of 2,500-3000 USD.

There is no reason to expect a K-1 III will get anywhere near "all" the features of a K-3 III.
Speed, AF coverage, buffer size, oversized viewfinder are all very unlikely.

And they will be smart enough to know that it is better to have solid differentiation between their model lines, so that prospective buyers never ever get "all" in one package (for less than 7300 EUR body only that is). That is industry standard.

The more buyers are torn between models the better they have made their job. It induces the remaining wealthy buyers to go for both.

**Serkevan** · 04-05-2021, 07:19 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by beholder3

There is no reason to expect a K-1 III will get anywhere near "all" the features of a K-3 III.
Speed, AF coverage, buffer size, oversized viewfinder are all very unlikely.

And they will be smart enough to know that it is better to have solid differentiation between their model lines, so that prospective buyers never ever get "all" in one package (for less than 7300 EUR body only that is). That is industry standard.

The more buyers are torn between models the better they have made their job. It induces the remaining wealthy buyers to go for both.

If they don't make the oversized OVF I'm 100% out, though. You can't spend years developing new prisms and then put them only in one model, it would be the most bone-headed decision they could make. It's quite literally the only thing that could make me want to upgrade the K-1... I already know I won't be getting 12 fps and a deep buffer.

And any IQ improvement over the K-1/K-1ii will be unnoticeable in the vast majority of shooting conditions anyway - why would I buy a camera that doesn't offer a significantly better experience?

BarneyL · 04-05-2021, 07:21 AM - **1 Like**

I really hope k-1 iii will get the oversized optical viewfinder at least. Its omission will be against the whole principles of Pentax thing.

**FozzFoster** · 04-05-2021, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by beholder3

Speed, AF coverage, buffer size, oversized viewfinder are all very unlikely.

Interesting to think if all those features will also be excluded from a replacement on the K-70.
Previously, the speed, af coverage, buffer size were all privileged to the prosumer flagships, but Pentax was known for putting their prosumer OVFs into their entry level camera, no?
I wonder if the oversized viewfinder will find it's way to the K-90 or whatever it will be named - will be awesome for new Pentax/photography adopters!

**ben-pentax** · 04-05-2021, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by beholder3

There is no reason to expect a K-1 III will get anywhere near "all" the features of a K-3 III.
Speed, AF coverage, buffer size, oversized viewfinder are all very unlikely.

That's why I wrote "the expected ...". I'm not expecting k3-iii speed or buffer for exsample, but I'm expecting better than in the K1-ii.

**Serkevan** · 04-05-2021, 07:30 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

Interesting to think if all those features will also be excluded from a replacement on the K-70.
Previously, the speed, af coverage, buffer size were all privileged to the prosumer flagships, but Pentax was known for putting their prosumer OVFs into their entry level camera, no?
I wonder if the oversized viewfinder will find it's way to the K-90 or whatever it will be named - will be awesome for new Pentax/photography adopters!

Probably not in the "entry level" (the K-70 is anything but, though) - it's an expensive piece and it might not allow them to sell a prospective K-90 below initial KP pricing...

They might put an AF system similar to the KP module in the K-90, though... should keep costs down while still being a nice improvement over the K-70's 11-point module. Throw in new algorithms and a touch more processing power (it's cheap now, especially if they've moved to ARM chips), throw in the 26MP sensor in and it would be a very solid refresh IMO...

---------- Post added 04-05-21 at 07:33 AM ----------

Originally posted by ben-pentax

That's why I wrote "the expected ...". I'm not expecting k3-iii speed or buffer for exsample, but I'm expecting better than in the K1-ii.

Frankly I don't care if the FPS are at 5-6 and without a massive buffer, as long as its clearing speed is significantly faster. Probably the one complaint I have about the K-1 is that at times it decides to get stuck processing something for a some seconds Windows 98 style.

Kunzite · 04-05-2021, 07:33 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ben-pentax

That's why I wrote "the expected ...". I'm not expecting k3-iii speed or buffer for exsample, but I'm expecting better than in the K1-ii.

The same technology doesn't mean the same results, right?
The K-1 viewfinder, updated with the high-refraction glass pentaprism and a higher magnification, would once again be significantly larger.
The FPS should be slower (heavier mirrors), and the larger image files means a smaller buffer.
The AF coverage would likely be smaller (unfortunately).

**FozzFoster** · 04-05-2021, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Frankly I don't care if the FPS are at 5-6 and without a massive buffer, as long as its clearing speed is significantly faster.

The K-5 had a firmware update where:
"Hi: 7 fps up to approx. 34 frames (JPG), up to approx. 26 frames (PEF/DNG)"
But to clear the buffer still took an eon.

I was grateful for the firmware upgrade, but the buffer clearing time really almost made it a wash.

mtkeller · 04-05-2021, 07:49 AM - **1 Like**

UHS-II should take care of the buffer clearing issue. @StephenObermeier has posted that unless you want to sit there and shoot in high speed continuous for really long periods without letting off the shutter button, you should be fine.

repaap · 04-05-2021, 07:50 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mtkeller

Solid assessment. I would add that Pentax may be positioning themselves to give DSLR devotees a reason to switch if Canikon do completely give up on DSLR development.

Especially when you could get similar performance with better files and with that eye AF(and what Ricoh will come up with in future) your previous gen DSLR was not able to do...

angerdan · 04-05-2021, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Frankly I don't care if the FPS are at 5-6 and without a massive buffer, as long as its clearing speed is significantly faster.

Clearing speed can be up to 3 or 6 fps, depending on memory card slot bus speed and memory card minimum writing speed.

Originally posted by angerdan

UHS-II can be up to 156 Mbyte/s or up to 312 Mbyte/s, depending on Duplex (Full or Half).
SD card - Wikipedia

This is the Pentax K-3 Mark III - Page 2 - PentaxForums.com

Originally posted by angerdan

UHS-I can transfer up to 104 Mbyte/s. So with the JPG-Files beeing 15 Mbyte and the Buffer for 37 RAWs, up to 6fps without Buffer could be possible with UHS-I.
Since Slot 1 ist UHS-II, not much to worry about for RAW

This is the Pentax K-3 Mark III - PentaxForums.com

mtkeller · 04-05-2021, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by repaap

Especially when you could get similar performance with better files and with that eye AF(and what Ricoh will come up with in future) your previous gen DSLR was not able to do...

Indeed! "Man, I really don't like EVFs, but I do like some of the AF features that [insert current brand] offers on mirrorless. Oh, wait. Pentax offers the AF features I really want through an OVF?"

**Serkevan** · 04-05-2021, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by mtkeller

UHS-II should take care of the buffer clearing issue. @StephenObermeier has posted that unless you want to sit there and shoot in high speed continuous for really long periods without letting off the shutter button, you should be fine.

Oh yeah, I have zero doubts that the K-1iii will be much more responsive than the current model. As great a camera as it is, the K-1 was built to a price point and the compromise was the electronics. I also expect the following one to not follow the price point

reh321 · 04-05-2021, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by FozzFoster

Interesting to think if all those features will also be excluded from a replacement on the K-70.
Previously, the speed, af coverage, buffer size were all privileged to the prosumer flagships, but Pentax was known for putting their prosumer OVFs into their entry level camera, no?
I wonder if the oversized viewfinder will find it's way to the K-90 or whatever it will be named - will be awesome for new Pentax/photography adopters!

I would expect the K-90 to include at least the oversized viewfinder and processing from the K-3iii.

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04-05-2021, 07:04 AM - 1 Like	#391
ben-pentax Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 133	Originally posted by Belnan Pay 2000 for a K3-III get great autofocus and speed Pay 1800 for a New K1 II and get a 36 MP FF sensor, flip screen and GPS. There are other differences but that is the real dilemma I think. I'm sure that Pentax is well aware though and has figured that into there calculations I'm sure of it. They will solve the dilemma for some of us when the k1-iii comes around with all the expected k1 features, the expected k3-iii features and the not expected k1-iii features at a price of 2,500-3000 USD. At least I have no dilemma. I'm saving my pennies for the k1-iii.

04-05-2021, 07:14 AM - 1 Like	#392
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	Originally posted by ben-pentax I'm sure of it. They will solve the dilemma for some of us when the k1-iii comes around with all the expected k1 features, the expected k3-iii features and the not expected k1-iii features at a price of 2,500-3000 USD. There is no reason to expect a K-1 III will get anywhere near "all" the features of a K-3 III. Speed, AF coverage, buffer size, oversized viewfinder are all very unlikely. And they will be smart enough to know that it is better to have solid differentiation between their model lines, so that prospective buyers never ever get "all" in one package (for less than 7300 EUR body only that is). That is industry standard. The more buyers are torn between models the better they have made their job. It induces the remaining wealthy buyers to go for both.

04-05-2021, 07:19 AM - 2 Likes	#393
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by beholder3 There is no reason to expect a K-1 III will get anywhere near "all" the features of a K-3 III. Speed, AF coverage, buffer size, oversized viewfinder are all very unlikely. And they will be smart enough to know that it is better to have solid differentiation between their model lines, so that prospective buyers never ever get "all" in one package (for less than 7300 EUR body only that is). That is industry standard. The more buyers are torn between models the better they have made their job. It induces the remaining wealthy buyers to go for both. If they don't make the oversized OVF I'm 100% out, though. You can't spend years developing new prisms and then put them only in one model, it would be the most bone-headed decision they could make. It's quite literally the only thing that could make me want to upgrade the K-1... I already know I won't be getting 12 fps and a deep buffer. And any IQ improvement over the K-1/K-1ii will be unnoticeable in the vast majority of shooting conditions anyway - why would I buy a camera that doesn't offer a significantly better experience?

04-05-2021, 07:21 AM - 1 Like	#394
BarneyL Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 899	I really hope k-1 iii will get the oversized optical viewfinder at least. Its omission will be against the whole principles of Pentax thing.

04-05-2021, 07:22 AM	#395
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,808	Originally posted by beholder3 Speed, AF coverage, buffer size, oversized viewfinder are all very unlikely. Interesting to think if all those features will also be excluded from a replacement on the K-70. Previously, the speed, af coverage, buffer size were all privileged to the prosumer flagships, but Pentax was known for putting their prosumer OVFs into their entry level camera, no? I wonder if the oversized viewfinder will find it's way to the K-90 or whatever it will be named - will be awesome for new Pentax/photography adopters!

04-05-2021, 07:27 AM	#396
ben-pentax Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 133	Originally posted by beholder3 There is no reason to expect a K-1 III will get anywhere near "all" the features of a K-3 III. Speed, AF coverage, buffer size, oversized viewfinder are all very unlikely. That's why I wrote "the expected ...". I'm not expecting k3-iii speed or buffer for exsample, but I'm expecting better than in the K1-ii.

04-05-2021, 07:30 AM - 1 Like	#397
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by FozzFoster Interesting to think if all those features will also be excluded from a replacement on the K-70. Previously, the speed, af coverage, buffer size were all privileged to the prosumer flagships, but Pentax was known for putting their prosumer OVFs into their entry level camera, no? I wonder if the oversized viewfinder will find it's way to the K-90 or whatever it will be named - will be awesome for new Pentax/photography adopters! Probably not in the "entry level" (the K-70 is anything but, though) - it's an expensive piece and it might not allow them to sell a prospective K-90 below initial KP pricing... They might put an AF system similar to the KP module in the K-90, though... should keep costs down while still being a nice improvement over the K-70's 11-point module. Throw in new algorithms and a touch more processing power (it's cheap now, especially if they've moved to ARM chips), throw in the 26MP sensor in and it would be a very solid refresh IMO... ---------- Post added 04-05-21 at 07:33 AM ---------- Originally posted by ben-pentax That's why I wrote "the expected ...". I'm not expecting k3-iii speed or buffer for exsample, but I'm expecting better than in the K1-ii. Frankly I don't care if the FPS are at 5-6 and without a massive buffer, as long as its clearing speed is significantly faster. Probably the one complaint I have about the K-1 is that at times it decides to get stuck processing something for a some seconds Windows 98 style.

04-05-2021, 07:33 AM - 1 Like	#398
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by ben-pentax That's why I wrote "the expected ...". I'm not expecting k3-iii speed or buffer for exsample, but I'm expecting better than in the K1-ii. The same technology doesn't mean the same results, right? The K-1 viewfinder, updated with the high-refraction glass pentaprism and a higher magnification, would once again be significantly larger. The FPS should be slower (heavier mirrors), and the larger image files means a smaller buffer. The AF coverage would likely be smaller (unfortunately).

04-05-2021, 07:40 AM	#399
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,808	Originally posted by Serkevan Frankly I don't care if the FPS are at 5-6 and without a massive buffer, as long as its clearing speed is significantly faster. The K-5 had a firmware update where: "Hi: 7 fps up to approx. 34 frames (JPG), up to approx. 26 frames (PEF/DNG)" But to clear the buffer still took an eon. I was grateful for the firmware upgrade, but the buffer clearing time really almost made it a wash.

04-05-2021, 07:49 AM - 1 Like	#400
mtkeller Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Sioux City, IA Photos: Gallery Posts: 938	UHS-II should take care of the buffer clearing issue. @StephenObermeier has posted that unless you want to sit there and shoot in high speed continuous for really long periods without letting off the shutter button, you should be fine.

04-05-2021, 07:50 AM - 1 Like	#401
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by mtkeller Solid assessment. I would add that Pentax may be positioning themselves to give DSLR devotees a reason to switch if Canikon do completely give up on DSLR development. Especially when you could get similar performance with better files and with that eye AF(and what Ricoh will come up with in future) your previous gen DSLR was not able to do...

04-05-2021, 07:56 AM	#402
angerdan Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,643	Originally posted by Serkevan Frankly I don't care if the FPS are at 5-6 and without a massive buffer, as long as its clearing speed is significantly faster. Clearing speed can be up to 3 or 6 fps, depending on memory card slot bus speed and memory card minimum writing speed. Originally posted by angerdan UHS-II can be up to 156 Mbyte/s or up to 312 Mbyte/s, depending on Duplex (Full or Half). SD card - Wikipedia This is the Pentax K-3 Mark III - Page 2 - PentaxForums.com Originally posted by angerdan UHS-I can transfer up to 104 Mbyte/s. So with the JPG-Files beeing 15 Mbyte and the Buffer for 37 RAWs, up to 6fps without Buffer could be possible with UHS-I. Since Slot 1 ist UHS-II, not much to worry about for RAW This is the Pentax K-3 Mark III - PentaxForums.com

04-05-2021, 07:57 AM	#403
mtkeller Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Sioux City, IA Photos: Gallery Posts: 938	Originally posted by repaap Especially when you could get similar performance with better files and with that eye AF(and what Ricoh will come up with in future) your previous gen DSLR was not able to do... Indeed! "Man, I really don't like EVFs, but I do like some of the AF features that [insert current brand] offers on mirrorless. Oh, wait. Pentax offers the AF features I really want through an OVF?"

04-05-2021, 08:03 AM	#404
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by mtkeller UHS-II should take care of the buffer clearing issue. @StephenObermeier has posted that unless you want to sit there and shoot in high speed continuous for really long periods without letting off the shutter button, you should be fine. Oh yeah, I have zero doubts that the K-1iii will be much more responsive than the current model. As great a camera as it is, the K-1 was built to a price point and the compromise was the electronics. I also expect the following one to not follow the price point

04-05-2021, 08:17 AM	#405
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,186	Originally posted by FozzFoster Interesting to think if all those features will also be excluded from a replacement on the K-70. Previously, the speed, af coverage, buffer size were all privileged to the prosumer flagships, but Pentax was known for putting their prosumer OVFs into their entry level camera, no? I wonder if the oversized viewfinder will find it's way to the K-90 or whatever it will be named - will be awesome for new Pentax/photography adopters! I would expect the K-90 to include at least the oversized viewfinder and processing from the K-3iii.