Ricoh Imaging registers new camera R05010

**ramseybuckeye** · 06-24-2021, 08:41 AM

Probably some sort of industrial imager

biz-engineer · 06-24-2021, 09:36 AM

The new GPS module for use on the K3 Mk III ?

house · 06-24-2021, 09:51 AM

The GR rumours have been going for a while. Considering the relative success of the line perhaps they are keen to push another model.

**AgentL** · 06-24-2021, 09:57 AM

I heard a recent rumor for the WG cameras. A GR with a different lens would be really nice, but I'm not holding my breath for it. A monochrome model would be a little silly. But I'd still try it.

Mistral75 · 06-24-2021, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

The new GPS module for use on the K3 Mk III ?

According to the Indonesian registration it's a Ricoh-branded digital camera, not a Pentax-branded accessory.

thibs · 06-24-2021, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by AgentL

I heard a recent rumor for the WG cameras. A GR with a different lens would be really nice, but I'm not holding my breath for it. A monochrome model would be a little silly. But I'd still try it.

Why silly ?

**ramseybuckeye** · 06-24-2021, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by thibs

Why silly ?

Because the cost would be the same as that could also do color. Why cripple it? Unless there is a pure monochrome sensor, that should cost a lot less.

house · 06-24-2021, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by ramseybuckeye

Because the cost would be the same as that could also do color. Why cripple it? Unless there is a pure monochrome sensor, that should cost a lot less.

A monochrome GR would obviously be without the Bayer filter and result in pixelshift like resolution. Monochrome cameras have more dynamic range and better resolution than bayer (or x-trans) cameras based on the same sensor. It's only crippled if you want colour.

The GR could work well as monochrome imho. Quite a few people use it mostly in BW mode. The camera is also already very niche and limited (in the best possible way) so a monochrome sensor would kind of make sense.

I don't think Ricoh would do that though. There was those ~40mm patents and I think that's more likely even though I think 28mm is great for fixed lens cameras.

biz-engineer · 06-24-2021, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by house

Monochrome cameras have more dynamic range and better resolution than bayer (or x-trans) cameras based on the same sensor. It's only crippled if you want colour.

Minus the fact that lens CA can't be corrected on the monochromatic sensor, and sometimes lens CA can as large as two pixels or more. CA correction on the color raw file increases resolution of de-saturated monochrome image output.

stevebrot · 06-24-2021, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by house

A monochrome GR would obviously be without the Bayer filter and result in pixelshift like resolution. Monochrome cameras have more dynamic range and better resolution than bayer (or x-trans) cameras based on the same sensor. It's only crippled if you want colour.

Very cool, though not what one usually thinks about for street photography, though perhaps now is the time.

Steve

reh321 · 06-24-2021, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Minus the fact that lens CA can't be corrected on the monochromatic sensor, and sometimes lens CA can as large as two pixels or more. CA correction on the color raw file increases resolution of de-saturated monochrome image output.

but ‘Street Photography’ - said to be a strong-suit of the GR - is often done in monochrome {perhaps for traditional reasons}, and I doubt if CA is a real issue for ‘Street Photographers’.

house · 06-24-2021, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Very cool, though not what one usually thinks about for street photography, though perhaps now is the time.

Steve

An awful lot of street photography is BW. Without any statistics I'd say it's the most BW genre out there

If you mean the resolution, then yes it's traditionally not a critical aspect of street photography. Particularly not japanese. Pixelshift and Are-Bure-Bokeh aren't what you think about at the same time...

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Minus the fact that lens CA can't be corrected on the monochromatic sensor, and sometimes lens CA can as large as two pixels or more

There's very little CA with a GR lens in my experience with the GRII. The GR lenses are way better than the Pentax ones at similar FOV for some reason.

stevebrot · 06-24-2021, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

CA correction on the color raw file increases resolution of de-saturated monochrome image output.

Not my experience and I do a ton of monochrome conversions many of which involve captures with CA. LaCA correction is done by interpolation and application of Gaussian blur, even if done from RAW. The results may be more acceptable, but the twig not captured due to masking by CA does not magically appear. (Yes, strange as it seems, the missed focus of CA is not redeemable in that it replaces data.)

Steve

(...proof --> https://www.flickr.com/photos/28796087@N02/albums/72157707141678854 ...)

**DWS1** · 06-24-2021, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Wasn't there a rumor about a new GR?

I though there was. I was reading rumors of a new GR with a 40mm (or thereabouts) lens.

reh321 · 06-24-2021, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by DWS1

I though there was. I was reading rumors of a new GR with a 40mm (or thereabouts) lens.

Is it also rumored to have a “FF” sensor?
Approximately 40mm is what I would expect a “FF” ‘Street photo’ camera to have.

06-24-2021, 12:56 PM	#24
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,225	Originally posted by house Monochrome cameras have more dynamic range and better resolution than bayer (or x-trans) cameras based on the same sensor. It's only crippled if you want colour. Minus the fact that lens CA can't be corrected on the monochromatic sensor, and sometimes lens CA can as large as two pixels or more. CA correction on the color raw file increases resolution of de-saturated monochrome image output. Last edited by biz-engineer; 06-24-2021 at 01:04 PM.

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06-24-2021, 09:51 AM	#18
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	The GR rumours have been going for a while. Considering the relative success of the line perhaps they are keen to push another model.

06-24-2021, 09:57 AM	#19
AgentL Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Seattle Photos: Albums Posts: 1,754	I heard a recent rumor for the WG cameras. A GR with a different lens would be really nice, but I'm not holding my breath for it. A monochrome model would be a little silly. But I'd still try it.

06-24-2021, 10:27 AM	#20
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,526	Originally posted by biz-engineer The new GPS module for use on the K3 Mk III ? According to the Indonesian registration it's a Ricoh-branded digital camera, not a Pentax-branded accessory.

06-24-2021, 11:16 AM	#21
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by AgentL I heard a recent rumor for the WG cameras. A GR with a different lens would be really nice, but I'm not holding my breath for it. A monochrome model would be a little silly. But I'd still try it. Why silly ?

06-24-2021, 12:17 PM	#22
ramseybuckeye Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hampstead, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 17,288	Originally posted by thibs Why silly ? Because the cost would be the same as that could also do color. Why cripple it? Unless there is a pure monochrome sensor, that should cost a lot less.

06-24-2021, 12:43 PM	#23
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by ramseybuckeye Because the cost would be the same as that could also do color. Why cripple it? Unless there is a pure monochrome sensor, that should cost a lot less. A monochrome GR would obviously be without the Bayer filter and result in pixelshift like resolution. Monochrome cameras have more dynamic range and better resolution than bayer (or x-trans) cameras based on the same sensor. It's only crippled if you want colour. The GR could work well as monochrome imho. Quite a few people use it mostly in BW mode. The camera is also already very niche and limited (in the best possible way) so a monochrome sensor would kind of make sense. I don't think Ricoh would do that though. There was those ~40mm patents and I think that's more likely even though I think 28mm is great for fixed lens cameras.

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stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by house A monochrome GR would obviously be without the Bayer filter and result in pixelshift like resolution. Monochrome cameras have more dynamic range and better resolution than bayer (or x-trans) cameras based on the same sensor. It's only crippled if you want colour. Very cool, though not what one usually thinks about for street photography, though perhaps now is the time. Steve

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reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,175	Originally posted by biz-engineer Minus the fact that lens CA can't be corrected on the monochromatic sensor, and sometimes lens CA can as large as two pixels or more. CA correction on the color raw file increases resolution of de-saturated monochrome image output. but ‘Street Photography’ - said to be a strong-suit of the GR - is often done in monochrome {perhaps for traditional reasons}, and I doubt if CA is a real issue for ‘Street Photographers’.

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06-24-2021, 02:32 PM	#27
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by stevebrot Very cool, though not what one usually thinks about for street photography, though perhaps now is the time. Steve An awful lot of street photography is BW. Without any statistics I'd say it's the most BW genre out there If you mean the resolution, then yes it's traditionally not a critical aspect of street photography. Particularly not japanese. Pixelshift and Are-Bure-Bokeh aren't what you think about at the same time... Originally posted by biz-engineer Minus the fact that lens CA can't be corrected on the monochromatic sensor, and sometimes lens CA can as large as two pixels or more There's very little CA with a GR lens in my experience with the GRII. The GR lenses are way better than the Pentax ones at similar FOV for some reason.

06-24-2021, 02:36 PM	#28
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by biz-engineer CA correction on the color raw file increases resolution of de-saturated monochrome image output. Not my experience and I do a ton of monochrome conversions many of which involve captures with CA. LaCA correction is done by interpolation and application of Gaussian blur, even if done from RAW. The results may be more acceptable, but the twig not captured due to masking by CA does not magically appear. (Yes, strange as it seems, the missed focus of CA is not redeemable in that it replaces data.) Steve (...proof --> https://www.flickr.com/photos/28796087@N02/albums/72157707141678854 ...)

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DWS1 Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 1,169	Originally posted by Kunzite Wasn't there a rumor about a new GR? I though there was. I was reading rumors of a new GR with a 40mm (or thereabouts) lens.

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reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,175	Originally posted by DWS1 I though there was. I was reading rumors of a new GR with a 40mm (or thereabouts) lens. Is it also rumored to have a “FF” sensor? Approximately 40mm is what I would expect a “FF” ‘Street photo’ camera to have.