Ricoh GR IIIx announced. new 26.1 mm lens (40mm eq)

JPT · 09-13-2021, 08:53 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by borisII

trying to find more photos with bokeh of new lens, but I can't

They've only started taking orders today, so it's early days. Aside from what is on the Ricoh web page, I've just seen samples on Youtube so far.

This video is the GR Night video, which is very long and in Japanese. At around the 1 hour 10 minutes mark there are some images with bokeh.

You Tube

This one is in Chinese, with some portraits.

You Tube

Ricoh hasn't published a PDF catalogue yet.

borisII · 09-14-2021, 12:51 AM - **3 Likes**

Ricoh GR IIIx ???? ｜?????????? - mookio ??

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house · 09-14-2021, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by borisII

Ricoh GR IIIx ???? ｜?????????? - mookio ??

---------- Post added 09-14-21 at 12:54 AM ----------

That's the bokeh shot we've been waiting for!

thibs · 09-14-2021, 04:01 AM

Ricoh will end (I'd be happy if...) like Rolleiflex TLRs: WA, normal and Tele.

borisII · 09-14-2021, 04:23 AM

I suppose Sigma DP3 Quattro was not successful camera.

GRIIIx has
40mm - 24 MP
50mm - crop 1 - 15 MP
71mm - crop 2 - 7 MP

With GT2 x1.5
60 мм - 24 MP
75 мм - crop 1
107 мм - crop 2

It seems to me we likely see GRIV 21 mm than GRIV 75 mm...

JPT · 09-14-2021, 04:46 AM

Originally posted by borisII

I suppose Sigma DP3 Quattro was not successful camera.

GRIIIx has
40mm - 24 MP
50mm - crop 1 - 15 MP
71mm - crop 2 - 7 MP

With GT2 x1.5
~~60 мм - 24 MP~~
75 мм - crop 1
107 мм - crop 2

It seems to me we likely see GRIV 21 mm than GRIV 75 mm...

Actually, the teleconverter does not cover the whole image area so it forces the crop to 15mp. This is what I understood from Ricoh's own presentation and there is another video in Japanese on Youtube from a user who visited the Ricoh Imaging Square that confirms the same thing.

It's not clear whether there is anyway of overriding the crop. However, when the GT2 is attached, it automatically switches to crop mode.

Tetsuya Iwasaki (head of product development) said in the video that this was to keep the size of the teleconverter lens reasonable. He says this in the GR Night video between 37:30 and 39:00.

borisII · 09-14-2021, 06:06 AM

I understand

MegaPower · 09-14-2021, 08:47 AM

never ending 24mp sensor.

Smolk · 09-14-2021, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by borisII

I suppose Sigma DP3 Quattro was not successful camera.

I guess Ricoh is seeing the GRs as stand-alone cameras, having either the III or the IIIx, since as part of a system, 45-50mm equivalence would have made more sense besides the 28mm.

I don't know about the Quattro, but the DP3 Merrill (its predecessor) was a very, very nice camera. I had the DP2 and 3 (45 / 70mm) and often wondered whether to get the DP1 (28mm) also (that was deemed to be slightly inferior apparently). With the GR III and IIIX a combo is still possible but they're quite close, not sure whether I'd do that. With 45-50mm I would be more tempted. (Now I still am but also considering the 16-50mm PLM... can't have it all.)
Obviously, The GR is even smaller than the DPs were. Also more expensive though.

thibs · 09-14-2021, 01:05 PM

Size is probably one of the reasons why they went for 40mm equivalent and not 50mm.

Jonathan Mac · 09-16-2021, 02:28 AM - **1 Like**

I'm well served for something more compact by my Fujifilm gear, but I would never consider a camera with a fixed 28mm equivalent lens, it's far too wide for general use. 35mm would be the minimum and 40mm probably even better.

I think the new "x" variant will allow Ricoh to compete with the Fujifilm X-100 series cameras, though I think I'd probably still go for the Fujifilm for it's extra stop if nothing else.

house · 09-16-2021, 03:14 AM - **1 Like**

While I fully understand why someone would like a more standard field of view I just don't think the GR package can get as fluid with a 40mm lens as a 28mm The size, ergonomics, lack of viewfinder and focal length etc is a perfect match for a certain way of photographing. A 40mm lens will slow you down and force a different type of framing, focusing needs to be more precise etc. The compromises inherent in the GR will be felt more at 40mm.

I'm sure many will like it but I can't see it reaching the level of the 28mm GR. The GR IIIX will most likely be a very, very good camera but an absolutely great camera like the 28mm's I doubt.

Yxkane · 09-16-2021, 04:31 AM - **5 Likes**

Might be (one of) the earliest to get it? 🙂

house · 09-16-2021, 04:44 AM

Originally posted by Yxkane

Might be (one of) the earliest to get it? 🙂

Wow that's fast, congratulations!

borisII · 09-16-2021, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by Yxkane

Might be (one of) the earliest to get it? ��

Could you be so kind to take some bokeh photos at f2.8-4.5?

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09-14-2021, 12:51 AM - 3 Likes	#77
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09-14-2021, 01:18 AM	#78
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by borisII Ricoh GR IIIx ???? ｜?????????? - mookio ?? ---------- Post added 09-14-21 at 12:54 AM ---------- That's the bokeh shot we've been waiting for!

09-14-2021, 04:01 AM	#79
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Ricoh will end (I'd be happy if...) like Rolleiflex TLRs: WA, normal and Tele.

09-14-2021, 04:23 AM	#80
borisII Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 323	I suppose Sigma DP3 Quattro was not successful camera. GRIIIx has 40mm - 24 MP 50mm - crop 1 - 15 MP 71mm - crop 2 - 7 MP With GT2 x1.5 60 мм - 24 MP 75 мм - crop 1 107 мм - crop 2 It seems to me we likely see GRIV 21 mm than GRIV 75 mm...

09-14-2021, 04:46 AM	#81
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Originally posted by borisII I suppose Sigma DP3 Quattro was not successful camera. GRIIIx has 40mm - 24 MP 50mm - crop 1 - 15 MP 71mm - crop 2 - 7 MP With GT2 x1.5 ~~60 мм - 24 MP~~ 75 мм - crop 1 107 мм - crop 2 It seems to me we likely see GRIV 21 mm than GRIV 75 mm... Actually, the teleconverter does not cover the whole image area so it forces the crop to 15mp. This is what I understood from Ricoh's own presentation and there is another video in Japanese on Youtube from a user who visited the Ricoh Imaging Square that confirms the same thing. It's not clear whether there is anyway of overriding the crop. However, when the GT2 is attached, it automatically switches to crop mode. Tetsuya Iwasaki (head of product development) said in the video that this was to keep the size of the teleconverter lens reasonable. He says this in the GR Night video between 37:30 and 39:00.

09-14-2021, 06:06 AM	#82
borisII Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 323	I understand

09-14-2021, 08:47 AM	#83
MegaPower Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Hong Kong / Irvine, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 636	never ending 24mp sensor.

09-14-2021, 09:03 AM	#84
Smolk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Eerbeek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,857	Originally posted by borisII I suppose Sigma DP3 Quattro was not successful camera. I guess Ricoh is seeing the GRs as stand-alone cameras, having either the III or the IIIx, since as part of a system, 45-50mm equivalence would have made more sense besides the 28mm. I don't know about the Quattro, but the DP3 Merrill (its predecessor) was a very, very nice camera. I had the DP2 and 3 (45 / 70mm) and often wondered whether to get the DP1 (28mm) also (that was deemed to be slightly inferior apparently). With the GR III and IIIX a combo is still possible but they're quite close, not sure whether I'd do that. With 45-50mm I would be more tempted. (Now I still am but also considering the 16-50mm PLM... can't have it all.) Obviously, The GR is even smaller than the DPs were. Also more expensive though.

09-14-2021, 01:05 PM	#85
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Size is probably one of the reasons why they went for 40mm equivalent and not 50mm.

09-16-2021, 02:28 AM - 1 Like	#86
Jonathan Mac Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,904	I'm well served for something more compact by my Fujifilm gear, but I would never consider a camera with a fixed 28mm equivalent lens, it's far too wide for general use. 35mm would be the minimum and 40mm probably even better. I think the new "x" variant will allow Ricoh to compete with the Fujifilm X-100 series cameras, though I think I'd probably still go for the Fujifilm for it's extra stop if nothing else.

09-16-2021, 03:14 AM - 1 Like	#87
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	While I fully understand why someone would like a more standard field of view I just don't think the GR package can get as fluid with a 40mm lens as a 28mm The size, ergonomics, lack of viewfinder and focal length etc is a perfect match for a certain way of photographing. A 40mm lens will slow you down and force a different type of framing, focusing needs to be more precise etc. The compromises inherent in the GR will be felt more at 40mm. I'm sure many will like it but I can't see it reaching the level of the 28mm GR. The GR IIIX will most likely be a very, very good camera but an absolutely great camera like the 28mm's I doubt.

09-16-2021, 04:44 AM	#89
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by Yxkane Might be (one of) the earliest to get it? 🙂 Wow that's fast, congratulations!

09-16-2021, 05:08 AM	#90
borisII Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 323	Originally posted by Yxkane Might be (one of) the earliest to get it? �� Could you be so kind to take some bokeh photos at f2.8-4.5?