SONY (In the Sh@#)

Adrian Owerko · 12-09-2008, 04:50 PM

Sony Slimming Down - Forbes.com

It looks like PENTAX got out of the SONY bed at the right time.. Samsung may a bit more stable at the momment for PENTAX. Were as for Nikon?
"However, cash-rich Samsung has fared better of late than heavily-indebted Sony, boosted by the won's slide, which has made South Korean exports cheaper "

Last edited by Adrian Owerko; 12-09-2008 at 04:56 PM.

jct us101 · 12-09-2008, 04:51 PM

Canon is also removing jobs from their company.

Adrian Owerko · 12-09-2008, 05:01 PM

Nikon has just cut 1500 Thai jobs.

Nikon cuts 1,500 Thai jobs on weak sales - paper | Markets | Markets News | Reuters

regken · 12-09-2008, 05:11 PM

Sounds to me like the usual announcements of new models every year might be at an end for a while. Good news is if there is something out there you want, wait for the after Christmas sales.

roentarre · 12-09-2008, 09:21 PM

I am keeping my eyes on the top end models to be sold second hand on line.

ogl · 12-10-2008, 06:49 AM

I've seen news today - said that Sony would cut 16000 jobs in photo and LCD division and close 5 plants till the spring of 2009.

K-m is more right move in crisis time than A900.

k100d · 12-10-2008, 07:41 AM

not sure why you are so content that sony aren't doing well

Blue · 12-10-2008, 08:16 AM

Pentax has cut 200 people in Europe this year.

Gooshin · 12-10-2008, 08:20 AM

the biggest question is what sort of jobs are being cut?

is it people at the manufacturing level in the factories, or people in marketing, or R&D??

CaymanImaging · 12-10-2008, 08:22 AM

I think for once Pentax may have played the cards right. Think about the world's economy right now. They haven't introduced a new camera, esp. FF, in a while, minus the KM. So they introduced an entry level kit at a low price when money is tight, but people want to get into a DSLR.

Do you think people are going to drop thousands on new FF cameras right not? Or even a new APS one? No way! I'm happy with my K20 and K10s for now. They get the job done and are very affordable!!

I'd just like to see Pentax open the marketing wallet up and advertise the K20 and KM in the photo mags I get every month!

Way to go Pentax! Looks like you may have dodged a bullet!!

Adrian Owerko · 12-10-2008, 08:31 AM

I am not content about SONY not doing well! As they make great gear and have a very smart R&D. Just think if Pentax went down the Full Frame road like SONY? Pentax pockets are not as deep or as large as Sony. Sony now have to get a return on there FF investment in a down market, were as Canikon got there return on FF way before the global meltdown.

Blue · 12-10-2008, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Gooshin

the biggest question is what sort of jobs are being cut?

is it people at the manufacturing level in the factories, or people in marketing, or R&D??

Suzuki never answered that question when it was asked in a straight fashion. It was actually advanced nations that they had down sized by 200 people. I would have to guess that it was marketing but it is purely a guess.

http://www.hoya.co.jp/english/investor/2009_2Q_meeting_summary.pdf

Adrian Owerko · 12-10-2008, 08:44 AM

The 200 people hoya cut were more apart of the merger and re structure or the Pentax Hoya HD company. As with all mergers there will be job duplications. why have 2 finance departments when you just need One!

Samsungian · 12-10-2008, 08:52 AM

There are many prepaid 5D2 orders from September 17th foward that Canon cannot fully fill yet. This is a $2699 body or $3499 with kit lens. Recession or not manyaround the globe have already paid the admission price and are hoping for a Christmas delivery. It will likely not happen because demand has outstripped manufacturing ability.

That said, I hate buying new dslrs freshly launched and again I must add how incredibly impressed with Pentax K20D I bought 30 days ago once the price settled down and that got me interested. ISO 1600 Rocks!

If you are on the fence considering K20D , buy it now before we go from Recession to Depression and before its upgrade launches for two times the money, again.

Originally posted by CaymanImaging

I think for once Pentax may have played the cards right. Think about the world's economy right now. They haven't introduced a new camera, esp. FF, in a while, minus the KM. So they introduced an entry level kit at a low price when money is tight, but people want to get into a DSLR.

Do you think people are going to drop thousands on new FF cameras right not? Or even a new APS one? No way! I'm happy with my K20 and K10s for now. They get the job done and are very affordable!!

I'd just like to see Pentax open the marketing wallet up and advertise the K20 and KM in the photo mags I get every month!

Way to go Pentax! Looks like you may have dodged a bullet!!

Blue · 12-10-2008, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by Adrian Owerko

The 200 people hoya cut were more apart of the merger and re structure or the Pentax Hoya HD company. As with all mergers there will be job duplications. why have 2 finance departments when you just need One!

Mergers can be a lot more complicated than that. These were just the Pentax people. It was not a merger in reality. Hoya acquired Pentax and turned it into a division. I suspect the world economy had just as much to do with it. I get the impression from Suzuki that there could be more shrinkage coming for the "consumer" side of Pentax.

12-09-2008, 04:50 PM	#1
Adrian Owerko Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: South Australia Posts: 435	SONY (In the Sh@#) Sony Slimming Down - Forbes.com It looks like PENTAX got out of the SONY bed at the right time.. Samsung may a bit more stable at the momment for PENTAX. Were as for Nikon? "However, cash-rich Samsung has fared better of late than heavily-indebted Sony, boosted by the won's slide, which has made South Korean exports cheaper " Last edited by Adrian Owerko; 12-09-2008 at 04:56 PM.

12-09-2008, 05:11 PM	#4
regken Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangor, Maine Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,377	Hope you are happy with what you have Sounds to me like the usual announcements of new models every year might be at an end for a while. Good news is if there is something out there you want, wait for the after Christmas sales.

12-10-2008, 08:52 AM	#14
Samsungian Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 1,337	Canon is overwhelmed w/ New 5D mark II Orders There are many prepaid 5D2 orders from September 17th foward that Canon cannot fully fill yet. This is a $2699 body or $3499 with kit lens. Recession or not manyaround the globe have already paid the admission price and are hoping for a Christmas delivery. It will likely not happen because demand has outstripped manufacturing ability. That said, I hate buying new dslrs freshly launched and again I must add how incredibly impressed with Pentax K20D I bought 30 days ago once the price settled down and that got me interested. ISO 1600 Rocks! If you are on the fence considering K20D , buy it now before we go from Recession to Depression and before its upgrade launches for two times the money, again. Originally posted by CaymanImaging I think for once Pentax may have played the cards right. Think about the world's economy right now. They haven't introduced a new camera, esp. FF, in a while, minus the KM. So they introduced an entry level kit at a low price when money is tight, but people want to get into a DSLR. Do you think people are going to drop thousands on new FF cameras right not? Or even a new APS one? No way! I'm happy with my K20 and K10s for now. They get the job done and are very affordable!! I'd just like to see Pentax open the marketing wallet up and advertise the K20 and KM in the photo mags I get every month! Way to go Pentax! Looks like you may have dodged a bullet!!

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12-09-2008, 04:51 PM	#2
jct us101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 3,793	Canon is also removing jobs from their company.

12-09-2008, 05:01 PM	#3
Adrian Owerko Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: South Australia Posts: 435 Original Poster	Nikon has just cut 1500 Thai jobs. Nikon cuts 1,500 Thai jobs on weak sales - paper \| Markets \| Markets News \| Reuters

12-09-2008, 09:21 PM	#5
roentarre Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 11,783	I am keeping my eyes on the top end models to be sold second hand on line.

12-10-2008, 06:49 AM	#6
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	I've seen news today - said that Sony would cut 16000 jobs in photo and LCD division and close 5 plants till the spring of 2009. K-m is more right move in crisis time than A900.

12-10-2008, 07:41 AM	#7
k100d Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,911	not sure why you are so content that sony aren't doing well

12-10-2008, 08:16 AM	#8
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Pentax has cut 200 people in Europe this year.

12-10-2008, 08:20 AM	#9
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	the biggest question is what sort of jobs are being cut? is it people at the manufacturing level in the factories, or people in marketing, or R&D??

12-10-2008, 08:22 AM	#10
CaymanImaging Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Albuquerque, NM Photos: Gallery Posts: 194	I think for once Pentax may have played the cards right. Think about the world's economy right now. They haven't introduced a new camera, esp. FF, in a while, minus the KM. So they introduced an entry level kit at a low price when money is tight, but people want to get into a DSLR. Do you think people are going to drop thousands on new FF cameras right not? Or even a new APS one? No way! I'm happy with my K20 and K10s for now. They get the job done and are very affordable!! I'd just like to see Pentax open the marketing wallet up and advertise the K20 and KM in the photo mags I get every month! Way to go Pentax! Looks like you may have dodged a bullet!!

12-10-2008, 08:31 AM	#11
Adrian Owerko Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: South Australia Posts: 435 Original Poster	I am not content about SONY not doing well! As they make great gear and have a very smart R&D. Just think if Pentax went down the Full Frame road like SONY? Pentax pockets are not as deep or as large as Sony. Sony now have to get a return on there FF investment in a down market, were as Canikon got there return on FF way before the global meltdown.

12-10-2008, 08:34 AM	#12
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Gooshin the biggest question is what sort of jobs are being cut? is it people at the manufacturing level in the factories, or people in marketing, or R&D?? Suzuki never answered that question when it was asked in a straight fashion. It was actually advanced nations that they had down sized by 200 people. I would have to guess that it was marketing but it is purely a guess. http://www.hoya.co.jp/english/investor/2009_2Q_meeting_summary.pdf

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12-10-2008, 08:44 AM	#13
Adrian Owerko Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: South Australia Posts: 435 Original Poster	The 200 people hoya cut were more apart of the merger and re structure or the Pentax Hoya HD company. As with all mergers there will be job duplications. why have 2 finance departments when you just need One!

12-10-2008, 08:53 AM	#15
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Adrian Owerko The 200 people hoya cut were more apart of the merger and re structure or the Pentax Hoya HD company. As with all mergers there will be job duplications. why have 2 finance departments when you just need One! Mergers can be a lot more complicated than that. These were just the Pentax people. It was not a merger in reality. Hoya acquired Pentax and turned it into a division. I suspect the world economy had just as much to do with it. I get the impression from Suzuki that there could be more shrinkage coming for the "consumer" side of Pentax.