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View Poll Results: Would you buy K20D Super if it had FF sensor instead of current cropped one?
No, I think I'll never go Full Frame. 25244.06%
Yes, where can I pre-order? 32055.94%
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01-04-2010, 11:24 PM   #196
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You know old Pentax 6x7. I think to be KxD oe KxFF.

01-04-2010, 11:33 PM   #197
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I don't think switching is necessary: I can use one wide lens and a FF camera from another company (that stinks at the telephoto end)... But better is always better and I'd buy a 35mm Pentax DSLR for $2000.
Then why aren't you?
01-04-2010, 11:36 PM   #198
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QuoteOriginally posted by Damn Brit Quote
Then why aren't you?
There is a difference between necessity and wishful thinking. DA 14 f/2.8 serves me fine.
01-04-2010, 11:38 PM   #199
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There is a difference between necessity and wishful thinking. DA 14 f/2.8 serves me fine.
Then you don't need a 24mm on a FF camera to make you a better wide angle shooter then.

01-04-2010, 11:43 PM   #200
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QuoteOriginally posted by Damn Brit Quote
Then you don't need a 24mm on a FF camera to make you a better wide angle shooter then.
My original point was this: I definitely would not *mind* having an extra stop-and-a-half at the wide end. I guess whether it's worth an extra $2000 is debatable.
01-04-2010, 11:47 PM   #201
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QuoteOriginally posted by asdf Quote
My original point was this: I definitely would not *mind* having an extra stop-and-a-half at the wide end. I guess whether it's worth an extra $2000 is debatable.
Trust me, an extra stop and a half on a wide angle is not worth an extra $2000.
01-04-2010, 11:53 PM   #202
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QuoteOriginally posted by Damn Brit Quote
Trust me, an extra stop and a half on a wide angle is not worth an extra $2000.
On the other hand, if the new sensor had ISO performance a stop better than my K20D, that would make it two and a half stops. I posted elsewhere that my wish is for a FF sensor with improved ISO performance, but pixel density similar to that of the K20D.

Put a focus assist beam in there and improved AF algorithms and it makes the $2000 dollars less of a waste.
01-04-2010, 11:59 PM   #203
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QuoteOriginally posted by asdf Quote
On the other hand, if the new sensor had ISO performance a stop better than my K20D, that would make it two and a half stops. I posted elsewhere that my wish is for a FF sensor with improved ISO performance, but pixel density similar to that of the K20D.

Put a focus assist beam in there and improved AF algorithms and it makes the $2000 dollars less of a waste.

But it's still out there in La La land, boy my Fanboy meter is really going off the scale. I'm going to have to go for a walk now and when I get back I'll probably have a cheese sandwich.

01-05-2010, 12:28 AM   #204
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Seriously asdf, thanks for the entertainment, I don't mean any harm by my remarks.

Unless you really are a fanboy.
01-05-2010, 12:29 AM   #205
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Seriously asdf, thanks for the entertainment, I don't mean any harm by my remarks.

Unless you really are a fanboy.
I thought you were referring to yourself as a Pentax fanboy. That would make far more sense given the context of our conversation.
01-05-2010, 12:33 AM   #206
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I thought you were referring to yourself as a Pentax fanboy. That would make far more sense given the context of our conversation.
No fear of that, I was maybe a little when I first joined the forum, got caught up in it all, Pentax management have been pissing a lot of people off since then. Now I consider myself a fanboy hunter, hence my sig.
The cameras and lenses are just tools, if I get to the point where they can't give me what I want, I'l get whatever brand does, I know there'll always be issues though.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Damn Brit Quote
Trust me, an extra stop and a half on a wide angle is not worth an extra $2000.
Odd, I always thought that one was entitled to one's own wishes and style. Canon does produce 24/1.4L for a purpose and so does whomever produces 35/1.2 for rangefinders (the name slipped off my mind at this moment).

Personally, I've found that sharp wide open FA 20/2.8 is suiting my style better than DA 21/3.2... But then again, my daughter can now have her own good wide angle lens which is small and light as well.

P.S. Perhaps someone can explain me a concept of fanboys, even in private message since I realize it has certain importance and I am not sure I grok it rightly.
01-05-2010, 01:03 AM   #208
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QuoteOriginally posted by Boris Quote
Odd, I always thought that one was entitled to one's own wishes and style. Canon does produce 24/1.4L for a purpose and so does whomever produces 35/1.2 for rangefinders (the name slipped off my mind at this moment).
That point was more in reference to people waiting around for Pentax to produce FF. They talk a lot about how important FF is yet they won't go out and buy a FF camera. If that extra stop and a half is worth $2000 dollars why aren't they going out and getting a D700?


Personally, I've found that sharp wide open FA 20/2.8 is suiting my style better than DA 21/3.2... But then again, my daughter can now have her own good wide angle lens which is small and light as well.

P.S. Perhaps someone can explain me a concept of fanboys, even in private message since I realize it has certain importance and I am not sure I grok it rightly.
Fanboys are those who can see no wrong in the brand they have chosen. They tend to be very annoying because you can't have a rational discussion about the equipment because the brand comes before the functionality and reliability.
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Now I consider myself a fanboy hunter, hence my sig.
Some of us become what we most despise.
01-05-2010, 01:09 AM   #210
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Some of us become what we most despise.
It's lucky I don't despise them then isn't it. Then you'd really be in trouble
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