Full frame K20D in 2009? Vote now! Yes or No.

Adnan EROL · 12-12-2008, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by awo425

Most of my lenses are DA lenses.
Most of my lenses are A or FA lenses.

Great, you're right...
Do you think people who has A or FA lenses want to have a FF or on the contrary,
someone who collects A or FA lenses is already looking forward to have FF camera?

On the other hand I have good news for DA owners, in the case of FF camera world.
DA 10-17mm works fine @15-17mm,
Sigma 10-20mm works @ 14-20mm.
DA 200mm is FF OK, too.

Adnan EROL · 12-12-2008, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by PePe

Yes, I would buy it if it would be available in 2009. But no, I do not think that will happen. Not in 2009.

Let's assume that it did happen... If it were available right now, click on what your decision would be? Please don't forget to vote at top of the page!

Originally posted by Tom S.

I can't vote on this poll because while I would buy one, I couldn't do it at this time.

Let's say that you can exchange free of charge in 30 days!
Please don't forget to vote at top of the page!

Originally posted by soccerjoe5

Depends on the price and how the upcoming Pentax cropped-sensor viewfinders compare. Also depends on how much better ISO and dynamic range.

I assume there is nothing extra over K20D, sensor is different only.
Please don't forget to vote at top of the page!

Originally posted by SuperAkuma

Yea it really depends on the price. I would buy one if it was around $2,500. I just recently bought the K20D and I am very happy with it.

Please don't forget to vote at top of the page!

Originally posted by vitalsax

It would not be as soft as the d700

vic barper.

Please don't forget to vote at top of the page!

Adnan EROL · 12-12-2008, 04:14 PM

I have seen some digital boys bought analog FF camera lately, and some others sold their all Pentax equipment to move D700 world.

I wonder if there are more people feeling sad that Pentax has no digital FF camera yet.

Or we Pentaxians are mostly "outdoor photographers" with light, small, weather resistant cameras and also (I think) GPS Tracker is on the way...

**ManuH** · 12-12-2008, 04:21 PM

If it has enough resolution to get good crops for DA lenses, why not. It would mean at least 21-24MP. And of course, well below 2000$.

Adnan EROL · 12-12-2008, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by ManuH

If it has enough resolution to get good crops for DA lenses, why not. It would mean at least 21-24MP. And of course, well below 2000$.

Or you will have to use tele side of your DA lenses...
It would be easy turning to cropped cameras from FF,
then the lenses in the bag would get a kind of free TCA (teleconverter)...

awo425 · 12-12-2008, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Adnan EROL

Great, you're right...
Do you think people who has A or FA lenses want to have a FF or on the contrary,
someone who collects A or FA lenses is already looking forward to have FF camera?

On the other hand I have good news for DA owners, in the case of FF camera world.
DA 10-17mm works fine @15-17mm,
Sigma 10-20mm works @ 14-20mm.
DA 200mm is FF OK, too.

A or FA.

Can't say for everybody, I would. All but 1 of my lenses are M or FA.
I will be comfortable with my lenses acting the way they were designed to act.
I also don't be leave in the common mantra that FA 50mm/1.4 on the APS-C is the same as FA as 85/1.4 on FF

Rykoh · 12-12-2008, 09:41 PM

I have mostly A-lenses (a few FA in there). I'm not interested in FF until it drops below $500. Which means, most likely, never. But the K20D will be there before too long.

ryan s · 12-13-2008, 12:38 AM

Where's the poll option..."Yes, I will buy it if it comes out in 09, but won't buy it until the price has dropped significantly"?

Originally posted by Adnan EROL

Great, you're right...
Do you think people who has A or FA lenses want to have a FF or on the contrary,
someone who collects A or FA lenses is already looking forward to have FF camera?

What about those of us who don't buy DAs because we already use M/A/FAs on full frame and crop?

eurostar · 12-13-2008, 02:29 AM

I used film Pentaxes for nearly twenty years, so I would like to have a FF Pentax. Also, I have a big line up of K and A and FA lenses ranging from 15/3,5 to 600/5,6, including 200/4 macro and 77 limited, so I would like to have a FF Pentax.

But I don't believe there is a market for a FF Pentax.

So, while I would buy a 2500$ Pentax FF (but only when I would find one used for much less, because new digital cameras loose value too fast), I don't believe we'll ever see one. And that is not making me happy.

Adnan EROL · 12-13-2008, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by awo425

A or FA.

I also don't be leave in the common mantra that FA 50mm/1.4 on the APS-C is the same as FA as 85/1.4 on FF

Yes my dear friend, I think so... that's why I'm looking forward to FF.

I want to ask other friends if (and how) they are happy when they get same FOV but unreal DOF for that FOV?

Adnan EROL · 12-13-2008, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by Hapo

I have mostly A-lenses (a few FA in there). I'm not interested in FF until it drops below $500. Which means, most likely, never. But the K20D will be there before too long.

neither K20D nor some analog cameras are below $500 at the moment. You will have to wait too long... I wish it won't take longer than 730 days or so.

Adnan EROL · 12-13-2008, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by ryan s

Where's the poll option..."Yes, I will buy it if it comes out in 09, but won't buy it until the price has dropped significantly"?

"yes" option counts that.

Adnan EROL · 12-13-2008, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by ryan s

What about those of us who don't buy DAs because we already use M/A/FAs on full frame and crop?

I salute you!

Zebooka · 12-14-2008, 01:33 AM

No, as:

1) There will be no FF in 2009
2) It will NEVER be called K20D Super. And it will NEVER be called KxxD. It's a KxD specs.

Snapac · 12-14-2008, 01:27 PM

I would love to see a FF in the next release

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12-12-2008, 03:46 PM	#16
Adnan EROL Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 120 Original Poster	Originally posted by awo425 Most of my lenses are DA lenses. Most of my lenses are A or FA lenses. Great, you're right... Do you think people who has A or FA lenses want to have a FF or on the contrary, someone who collects A or FA lenses is already looking forward to have FF camera? On the other hand I have good news for DA owners, in the case of FF camera world. DA 10-17mm works fine @15-17mm, Sigma 10-20mm works @ 14-20mm. DA 200mm is FF OK, too.

12-13-2008, 08:13 AM	#26
Adnan EROL Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 120 Original Poster	Originally posted by Hapo I have mostly A-lenses (a few FA in there). I'm not interested in FF until it drops below $500. Which means, most likely, never. But the K20D will be there before too long. neither K20D nor some analog cameras are below $500 at the moment. You will have to wait too long... I wish it won't take longer than 730 days or so. Last edited by Adnan EROL; 12-13-2008 at 09:25 AM.

12-13-2008, 08:18 AM	#27
Adnan EROL Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 120 Original Poster	Originally posted by ryan s Where's the poll option..."Yes, I will buy it if it comes out in 09, but won't buy it until the price has dropped significantly"? "yes" option counts that. Last edited by Adnan EROL; 12-13-2008 at 09:41 AM.

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12-12-2008, 04:04 PM	#17
Adnan EROL Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 120 Original Poster	Originally posted by PePe Yes, I would buy it if it would be available in 2009. But no, I do not think that will happen. Not in 2009. Let's assume that it did happen... If it were available right now, click on what your decision would be? Please don't forget to vote at top of the page! Originally posted by Tom S. I can't vote on this poll because while I would buy one, I couldn't do it at this time. Let's say that you can exchange free of charge in 30 days! Please don't forget to vote at top of the page! Originally posted by soccerjoe5 Depends on the price and how the upcoming Pentax cropped-sensor viewfinders compare. Also depends on how much better ISO and dynamic range. I assume there is nothing extra over K20D, sensor is different only. Please don't forget to vote at top of the page! Originally posted by SuperAkuma Yea it really depends on the price. I would buy one if it was around $2,500. I just recently bought the K20D and I am very happy with it. Please don't forget to vote at top of the page! Originally posted by vitalsax It would not be as soft as the d700 vic barper. Please don't forget to vote at top of the page!

12-12-2008, 04:14 PM	#18
Adnan EROL Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 120 Original Poster	I have seen some digital boys bought analog FF camera lately, and some others sold their all Pentax equipment to move D700 world. I wonder if there are more people feeling sad that Pentax has no digital FF camera yet. Or we Pentaxians are mostly "outdoor photographers" with light, small, weather resistant cameras and also (I think) GPS Tracker is on the way...

12-12-2008, 04:21 PM	#19
ManuH Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,249	If it has enough resolution to get good crops for DA lenses, why not. It would mean at least 21-24MP. And of course, well below 2000$.

12-12-2008, 04:44 PM	#20
Adnan EROL Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 120 Original Poster	Originally posted by ManuH If it has enough resolution to get good crops for DA lenses, why not. It would mean at least 21-24MP. And of course, well below 2000$. Or you will have to use tele side of your DA lenses... It would be easy turning to cropped cameras from FF, then the lenses in the bag would get a kind of free TCA (teleconverter)...

12-12-2008, 07:00 PM	#21
awo425 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 481	Originally posted by Adnan EROL Great, you're right... Do you think people who has A or FA lenses want to have a FF or on the contrary, someone who collects A or FA lenses is already looking forward to have FF camera? On the other hand I have good news for DA owners, in the case of FF camera world. DA 10-17mm works fine @15-17mm, Sigma 10-20mm works @ 14-20mm. DA 200mm is FF OK, too. A or FA. Can't say for everybody, I would. All but 1 of my lenses are M or FA. I will be comfortable with my lenses acting the way they were designed to act. I also don't be leave in the common mantra that FA 50mm/1.4 on the APS-C is the same as FA as 85/1.4 on FF

12-12-2008, 09:41 PM	#22
Rykoh Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 318	I have mostly A-lenses (a few FA in there). I'm not interested in FF until it drops below $500. Which means, most likely, never. But the K20D will be there before too long.

12-13-2008, 12:38 AM	#23
ryan s Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Madison, WI Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,383	Where's the poll option..."Yes, I will buy it if it comes out in 09, but won't buy it until the price has dropped significantly"? Originally posted by Adnan EROL Great, you're right... Do you think people who has A or FA lenses want to have a FF or on the contrary, someone who collects A or FA lenses is already looking forward to have FF camera? What about those of us who don't buy DAs because we already use M/A/FAs on full frame and crop?

12-13-2008, 02:29 AM	#24
eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	I used film Pentaxes for nearly twenty years, so I would like to have a FF Pentax. Also, I have a big line up of K and A and FA lenses ranging from 15/3,5 to 600/5,6, including 200/4 macro and 77 limited, so I would like to have a FF Pentax. But I don't believe there is a market for a FF Pentax. So, while I would buy a 2500$ Pentax FF (but only when I would find one used for much less, because new digital cameras loose value too fast), I don't believe we'll ever see one. And that is not making me happy.

12-13-2008, 08:07 AM	#25
Adnan EROL Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 120 Original Poster	Originally posted by awo425 A or FA. I also don't be leave in the common mantra that FA 50mm/1.4 on the APS-C is the same as FA as 85/1.4 on FF Yes my dear friend, I think so... that's why I'm looking forward to FF. I want to ask other friends if (and how) they are happy when they get same FOV but unreal DOF for that FOV?

12-13-2008, 08:22 AM	#28
Adnan EROL Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 120 Original Poster	Originally posted by ryan s What about those of us who don't buy DAs because we already use M/A/FAs on full frame and crop? I salute you!

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12-14-2008, 01:33 AM	#29
Zebooka Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Russia, Siberia, Novosibirsk Posts: 323	No, as: 1) There will be no FF in 2009 2) It will NEVER be called K20D Super. And it will NEVER be called KxxD. It's a KxD specs.

12-14-2008, 01:27 PM	#30
Snapac New Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Atlanta Photos: Gallery Posts: 7	I would love to see a FF in the next release