New Pentax DSLR on tuesday?

regken · 12-14-2008, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by ManuH

Maybe Japaneses are not that much concerned with christmas as we are? Or simply the new product is the 645D and this kind of product is not affected by christmas sales.

Yeah it always make sense to ignore 33% of your potential customers.

**Sailor** · 12-14-2008, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by regken

That sent me running to the online dictionary, LOL. I'll take door B or C.

I hope I spelled it right - spelling is one of my (many) failings. Just ask my wife.

Jer

regken · 12-14-2008, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Sailor

I hope I spelled it right - spelling is one of my (many) failings. Just ask my wife.

Jer

Oh you spelled it right. That's why I said I'd take definition B or C

Blue · 12-14-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by ManuH

My wish, if there is indeed a GPS option is to have it in the grip. I don't see a GPS taking much space, I have one in my tiny Blackberry.

So does my cheap cell phone. The issue would be what is the ground resolution of an integrated unit as well as its reliability. If it is no better than a unit in a cell phone, blackberry or the ones Nikon are using, it better not add to the cost.

Blue · 12-14-2008, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by thibs

GPS when not as good as real good seperate receivers will always be less reliable but 100 meters isn't acceptable to me indeed.

That said, if only 3 satellites on the sky, there's no wonder, ever ...

Its good to see someone with an understanding of gps equipment post in one these threads that are discussing a potential K20d GPS model. I need a gps unit just to keep up with the gps threads!

KungPOW · 12-14-2008, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Blue

So does my cheap cell phone. The issue would be what is the ground resolution of an integrated unit as well as its reliability. If it is no better than a unit in a cell phone, blackberry or the ones Nikon are using, it better not add to the cost.

I understand that cell phone type GPS units use an assisted GPS system. They increase their acuracy by triangulating with cell phone towers in the network.

If the cell phone does not have a clear line of sight to the sky, then they use distancs to the cell transmition towers to determine your location.

I think this is how they are able to produce such small GPS units in cell phones.

Does anyone know if a cell phone can be used as a GPS when it is outside of available coverage?

kenyee · 12-14-2008, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by KungPOW

Does anyone know if a cell phone can be used as a GPS when it is outside of available coverage?

Some cell phones actually do have GPS chips inside but they cost a lot more than the AGPS ones.
The AGPS ones need the cell towers.

I also agree w/ the comments about 100meters vs. 10m. If they can get normal real GPS accuracy, it wouldn't be a bad feature, though my guess is it'll be an add-on. I think the Nikon one is $200...

ltdstar · 12-14-2008, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by ibk

No, it's not a P&S and it shows the future of Pentax... in a way.
It definitely fall in line with their new tagline - BE INTERESTING

wow the future of Pentax...Will it be the 645D...??

**Ron Boggs** · 12-14-2008, 10:15 PM

Perhaps the nikon claims are buffered by the fact that the govt. can alter the accuracy of all GPS in order to avert perceived threats. If you read your GPS manual, it will discuss this innaccuracy issue--I've had the displeasure of reading nearly a dozen different GPS manuals (three different manufacturers) as well as the earlier Loran C manuals with similar disclaimers regarding accuracy. Without looking it up, I believe it is called differential GPS when the govt. plays with the signals. Govt. testing with the differential was relatively common during the Loran C days...I've had my location change while boating many times. Sometimes it switches right back to the original tracking, sometimes not. Now that so many people use GPS for auto navigating, there is less "testing" with the signal. But no company claims reliable 10 meter accuracy due to the differential GPS tinkering that can happen at any time.

Not sure why anyone would need closer accuracy for photo tags. If you can't recognize the location from 100 meters away, it probably wasn't that impressive to start with?

siva.ss.kumar · 12-14-2008, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by ltdstar

wow the future of Pentax...Will it be the 645D...??

Or a mirco-K mount SLR

Blue · 12-14-2008, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by Ron Boggs

Perhaps the nikon claims are buffered by the fact that the govt. can alter the accuracy of all GPS in order to avert perceived threats. If you read your GPS manual, it will discuss this innaccuracy issue--I've had the displeasure of reading nearly a dozen different GPS manuals (three different manufacturers) as well as the earlier Loran C manuals with similar disclaimers regarding accuracy. Without looking it up, I believe it is called differential GPS when the govt. plays with the signals. Govt. testing with the differential was relatively common during the Loran C days...I've had my location change while boating many times. Sometimes it switches right back to the original tracking, sometimes not. Now that so many people use GPS for auto navigating, there is less "testing" with the signal. But no company claims reliable 10 meter accuracy due to the differential GPS tinkering that can happen at any time.

Not sure why anyone would need closer accuracy for photo tags. If you can't recognize the location from 100 meters away, it probably wasn't that impressive to start with?

When you are trying to find a spring feed in the Wacissa River 100+ meters is a big deal. I can get 3 to 5 meters out of my Garmin mapping unit WAAS in North America. I just got 8 meters in the yard with only 4 satellites with my old Garmin V. Sure the DoD can turn on the SA and then they are next to worthless. This has been discussed in a couple of other threads where the GPS thing is being discussed. Some people use GPS for work related stuff.

Damn Brit · 12-15-2008, 01:36 AM

Maybe it'll be a K20 with an M42 mount. Then those of us with a collection of them will be sitting pretty as the prices for 'old glass' go through the roof.

frank · 12-15-2008, 02:21 AM

Heard there'd be a new one announced this Tue or Wed, but definitely not a K20D w/ GPS ... probably something for entry level again ... or an entry level camera in some silver or funny color? Don't think Pentax can make another new camera in such a short time.

denisv · 12-15-2008, 03:58 AM

The whole point of a DSLR is responsiveness. How does GPS figure into that? I turn on my camera and it's on in 0.2s, then I sit down and wait a minute for the GPS to lock onto satellites before snapping a few pictures and moving on? And why exactly do I want GPS coordinates of where I took my pictures anyway? Seems like an utterly useless feature.

Hopefully Pentax will announce a DLSR with a bigger sensor (APS-H or maybe even FF) or maybe a APS-C sensor with 3 stops ISO advantage over existing sensors.

garedagmad · 12-15-2008, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by ibk:
No, it's not a P&S and it shows the future of Pentax... in a way.
It definitely fall in line with their new tagline - BE INTERESTING

"showing the future of Pentax"
"INTERESTING"

... it sound to me like some kind of new concept or corporate policies are to be shown.

Will Pentax redefine its SLR design or key components(I am thinking on EVIL...)?
Will Pentax actively cooperate with another camera manufacturers ?
Is there any corporate merging in sight ?

12-15-2008, 02:21 AM	#43
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202	Heard there'd be a new one announced this Tue or Wed, but definitely not a K20D w/ GPS ... probably something for entry level again ... or an entry level camera in some silver or funny color? Don't think Pentax can make another new camera in such a short time. Last edited by frank; 12-15-2008 at 02:34 AM.

12-15-2008, 04:48 AM	#45
garedagmad New Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Madrid - Spain Posts: 6	New pentax path? Originally Posted by ibk: No, it's not a P&S and it shows the future of Pentax... in a way. It definitely fall in line with their new tagline - BE INTERESTING "showing the future of Pentax" "INTERESTING" ... it sound to me like some kind of new concept or corporate policies are to be shown. Will Pentax redefine its SLR design or key components(I am thinking on EVIL...)? Will Pentax actively cooperate with another camera manufacturers ? Is there any corporate merging in sight ?

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12-14-2008, 04:58 PM	#31
regken Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangor, Maine Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,377	Originally posted by ManuH Maybe Japaneses are not that much concerned with christmas as we are? Or simply the new product is the 645D and this kind of product is not affected by christmas sales. Yeah it always make sense to ignore 33% of your potential customers.

12-14-2008, 05:01 PM	#32
Sailor Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Coastal Texas Photos: Gallery Posts: 26,205	Originally posted by regken That sent me running to the online dictionary, LOL. I'll take door B or C. I hope I spelled it right - spelling is one of my (many) failings. Just ask my wife. Jer

12-14-2008, 05:05 PM	#33
regken Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangor, Maine Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,377	Originally posted by Sailor I hope I spelled it right - spelling is one of my (many) failings. Just ask my wife. Jer Oh you spelled it right. That's why I said I'd take definition B or C

12-14-2008, 05:15 PM	#34
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by ManuH My wish, if there is indeed a GPS option is to have it in the grip. I don't see a GPS taking much space, I have one in my tiny Blackberry. So does my cheap cell phone. The issue would be what is the ground resolution of an integrated unit as well as its reliability. If it is no better than a unit in a cell phone, blackberry or the ones Nikon are using, it better not add to the cost.

12-14-2008, 05:17 PM	#35
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by thibs GPS when not as good as real good seperate receivers will always be less reliable but 100 meters isn't acceptable to me indeed. That said, if only 3 satellites on the sky, there's no wonder, ever ... Its good to see someone with an understanding of gps equipment post in one these threads that are discussing a potential K20d GPS model. I need a gps unit just to keep up with the gps threads!

12-14-2008, 06:18 PM	#36
KungPOW Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vancouver, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,699	Originally posted by Blue So does my cheap cell phone. The issue would be what is the ground resolution of an integrated unit as well as its reliability. If it is no better than a unit in a cell phone, blackberry or the ones Nikon are using, it better not add to the cost. I understand that cell phone type GPS units use an assisted GPS system. They increase their acuracy by triangulating with cell phone towers in the network. If the cell phone does not have a clear line of sight to the sky, then they use distancs to the cell transmition towers to determine your location. I think this is how they are able to produce such small GPS units in cell phones. Does anyone know if a cell phone can be used as a GPS when it is outside of available coverage?

12-14-2008, 07:40 PM	#37
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	Originally posted by KungPOW Does anyone know if a cell phone can be used as a GPS when it is outside of available coverage? Some cell phones actually do have GPS chips inside but they cost a lot more than the AGPS ones. The AGPS ones need the cell towers. I also agree w/ the comments about 100meters vs. 10m. If they can get normal real GPS accuracy, it wouldn't be a bad feature, though my guess is it'll be an add-on. I think the Nikon one is $200...

12-14-2008, 07:52 PM	#38
ltdstar Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: AZ Posts: 285	Originally posted by ibk No, it's not a P&S and it shows the future of Pentax... in a way. It definitely fall in line with their new tagline - BE INTERESTING wow the future of Pentax...Will it be the 645D...??

12-14-2008, 10:15 PM	#39
Ron Boggs Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: MT Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,349	Perhaps the nikon claims are buffered by the fact that the govt. can alter the accuracy of all GPS in order to avert perceived threats. If you read your GPS manual, it will discuss this innaccuracy issue--I've had the displeasure of reading nearly a dozen different GPS manuals (three different manufacturers) as well as the earlier Loran C manuals with similar disclaimers regarding accuracy. Without looking it up, I believe it is called differential GPS when the govt. plays with the signals. Govt. testing with the differential was relatively common during the Loran C days...I've had my location change while boating many times. Sometimes it switches right back to the original tracking, sometimes not. Now that so many people use GPS for auto navigating, there is less "testing" with the signal. But no company claims reliable 10 meter accuracy due to the differential GPS tinkering that can happen at any time. Not sure why anyone would need closer accuracy for photo tags. If you can't recognize the location from 100 meters away, it probably wasn't that impressive to start with?

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siva.ss.kumar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Chennai, India Photos: Albums Posts: 534	Originally posted by ltdstar wow the future of Pentax...Will it be the 645D...?? Or a mirco-K mount SLR

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12-14-2008, 11:18 PM	#41
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Ron Boggs Perhaps the nikon claims are buffered by the fact that the govt. can alter the accuracy of all GPS in order to avert perceived threats. If you read your GPS manual, it will discuss this innaccuracy issue--I've had the displeasure of reading nearly a dozen different GPS manuals (three different manufacturers) as well as the earlier Loran C manuals with similar disclaimers regarding accuracy. Without looking it up, I believe it is called differential GPS when the govt. plays with the signals. Govt. testing with the differential was relatively common during the Loran C days...I've had my location change while boating many times. Sometimes it switches right back to the original tracking, sometimes not. Now that so many people use GPS for auto navigating, there is less "testing" with the signal. But no company claims reliable 10 meter accuracy due to the differential GPS tinkering that can happen at any time. Not sure why anyone would need closer accuracy for photo tags. If you can't recognize the location from 100 meters away, it probably wasn't that impressive to start with? When you are trying to find a spring feed in the Wacissa River 100+ meters is a big deal. I can get 3 to 5 meters out of my Garmin mapping unit WAAS in North America. I just got 8 meters in the yard with only 4 satellites with my old Garmin V. Sure the DoD can turn on the SA and then they are next to worthless. This has been discussed in a couple of other threads where the GPS thing is being discussed. Some people use GPS for work related stuff.

12-15-2008, 01:36 AM	#42
Damn Brit Guest	Maybe it'll be a K20 with an M42 mount. Then those of us with a collection of them will be sitting pretty as the prices for 'old glass' go through the roof.

12-15-2008, 03:58 AM	#44
denisv Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Slovenia Photos: Gallery Posts: 66	The whole point of a DSLR is responsiveness. How does GPS figure into that? I turn on my camera and it's on in 0.2s, then I sit down and wait a minute for the GPS to lock onto satellites before snapping a few pictures and moving on? And why exactly do I want GPS coordinates of where I took my pictures anyway? Seems like an utterly useless feature. Hopefully Pentax will announce a DLSR with a bigger sensor (APS-H or maybe even FF) or maybe a APS-C sensor with 3 stops ISO advantage over existing sensors.