[Serkevan]

Seeing is believing and that is of course sellers talk. First have to see it in real time. And I seriously doubt that one can see the difference between the two.
And life usually is in colour...

You can go check the samples from the Monochrom Leicas.

The result is basically that you're shooting with pixel-shift levels of IQ in each single shot (and you have slightly better ISO performance on top, as you increase the effective T-stop of the sensor).

The only thing stopping me from getting a monochrome camera is cash.

[Mistral75]

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IMO the K-70 makes more sense than the K-3iii as an astro-dedicated camera as well. It's got virtually the same IQ, has a (very convenient for tripod work!) flippy screen and the expensive pentaprism would see approximately zero use in an astro-only camera.

I think it's no coincidence that the photo of the K-70 in the survey shows it with its screen flipped out.

[panonski]

so,


In order to get - MORE SALES - Pentax ( again ) does that weird navigation - through photography.


Which I kind of prefere ...BUT..... What about Tilt Screen ?

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Why always - only weird stuff for "update" ?


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Hellouu ?


Ricohhh ?


:P

[Michail_P]

I get the lower noise part, that's certainly important. But the sacrifice of color imaging is far too big for me. Some photos need color, absolutely, that's all.

[Serkevan]

Which I kind of prefere ...BUT..... What about Tilt Screen ?

The tilt screen is on the K-70 astro model

[Joetitch]

Given my experience with AI software thus far - Topaz DeNoise AI, Sharpen AI and Gigapixel AI - it has a long way to go before I'd want to depend on it completely. They can be useful tools when applied with user intervention - trial-and-error algorithm choice, masking, manual levels adjustments - but they're far from automatic (at least, not if you want good results). The effectiveness of the AI algorithms depends hugely on image properties and content. In most cases, with a little work, it's possible to get decent results - but often there's further manual post-processing / editing required.

TL/DR; AI is clever, but very much in its infancy so far as image processing is concerned - IMHO...

[I]EDIT: I spent an enjoyable few minutes trying some of my B&W film photos with Colorize pictures: turn black and white photos to color with AI - Hotpot.ai - it's actually really clever and does a remarkably good job, but the colours are very much estimations and not that close to the original... plus, in some instances, it just gets things completely wrong. If that's the current state of AI monochrome-to-colour conversion, I think I'll stick to colour sensor cameras for colour images

I wasn't quite expecting next week😁

[Serkevan]

I get the lower noise part, that's certainly important. But the sacrifice of color imaging is far too big for me. Some photos need color, absolutely, that's all.

I don't think anyone wants to have a monochrome camera as their only camera.
The point is to have a significantly better alternative if B/W is a big part of your work (which it is for me - but money AND a different format, so even more money in lenses )

A monochrome GRiiix would be a very "HNNNNGH" moment for me.

[BigMackCam]

so,


In order to get - MORE SALES - Pentax ( again ) does that weird navigation - through photography.


Which I kind of prefere ...BUT..... What about Tilt Screen ?

-
Why always - only weird stuff for "update" ?


------------------------------------------------------

Hellouu ?


Ricohhh ?


:P

The thing is, whatever Ricoh does with Pentax, some folks will be really pleased, others will be "meh" and yet others won't like it. I agree that an articulating screen would have been preferable on the K-3III - that would have pleased many people here. Some, like myself, would be "meh" (I have articulating screens on my Hasselblad HV and Sony A7 MkII, and almost never use them). Others - those who were unhappy with the much higher retail price compared to previous K-3 generations but still decided to buy the camera - would have burst blood vessels and flat-out refused to pay even more. It's always the way - you can please some of the people some of the time, but you'll never please all the people all of the time

At least with these limited production crowd-funded specialist tools, Ricoh is differentiating... and that, I think, is a good thing.

[BigMackCam]

I get the lower noise part, that's certainly important. But the sacrifice of color imaging is far too big for me. Some photos need color, absolutely, that's all.

The lower noise is nice, Michail - but it's the greater detail and lack of demosaicing artefacts that's the real clincher. I agree, a monochrome camera isn't for everyone. For those who specialise in B&W, though, a dedicated monochrome camera will give far better image quality than a colour sensor camera and conversion to B&W in post...

[panonski]

At least with these limited production crowd-funded specialist tools, Ricoh is differentiating... and that, I think, is a good thing.

I really think - this maybe is a good way - but that - "Over Night Converting" to "De Luxe" cameras - from " consumer" - is not for many of us Pentaxians a good thing.

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If we will try to stay dedicated to he brand - we will must pay - very high prices - for that "suddenly luxurios" cameras.

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[biz-engineer]

K-3 III monochrome modelK70 Astro model

Logically, from a user standpoint, I would expect a Pentax K1 Astro and K1 Monochrome derivatives. It looks like these product variants are made from products currently in still production (K3-3, K70), not based on customer side logic. It's not the first time I see this with Pentax.

[Michail_P]

The lower noise is nice, Michail - but it's the greater detail and lack of demosaicing artefacts that's the real clincher. I agree, a monochrome camera isn't for everyone. For those who specialise in B&W, though, a dedicated monochrome camera will give far better image quality than a colour sensor camera and conversion to B&W in post...

But of course. I even think such a camera could drive someone going BW for most of the work. Idk if that would be me ..

[biz-engineer]

Which I kind of prefere ...BUT..... What about Tilt Screen ?-Why always - only weird stuff for "update" ?

A tilt screen would require significant changes to the design (I suppose). Astro & monochrome, require minor changes on the sensor assembly and camera firmware. It's a way of selling more cameras , without requiring much R&D spending, while still providing some benefits to customers. It's a good approach, although I would prefer it not to be an "afterthought" on the product line. And if only available to the Japanese market, it's of no interest for us out of Japan.

[BigMackCam]

I really think - this maybe is a good way - but that - "Over Night Converting" to "De Luxe" cameras - from " consumer" - is not for many of us Pentaxians a good thing.

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If we will try to stay dedicated to he brand - we will must pay - very high prices - for that "suddenly luxurios" cameras.

The K-70 is what I'd describe as a very good, well-made, consumer-level camera. The K-3III, though, is as well built as any pro camera. I don't think these limited specialist developments turn them into "de luxe" cameras - just specialist versions of what they already are. You pay for that specialising accordingly (or not, if you don't require it) - but the result isn't a better or "de luxe" camera... just a different-featured one.

As long as this doesn't take development effort away from the mainstream product lines, I'm all for it. I do wonder, though...

[sculptor666]

is there a printer on earth that does b/w as good as.... you know... film?