New firmware for K3 III and K-1 introduced season specific shooting modes

**cdd29** · 06-23-2022, 11:09 AM

meh... interesting idea but I don't like the fact it's only limited to specific lenses., creating/targeting a specific group of users in an already niche environment (Pentax in general.) I'm definitely not going to go out and buy any of those lenses for this (though I have the FA 21 on my wish list.) Plus you can do this in post. There's tons of similar simulations in NIK Effects.

gatorguy · 06-23-2022, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by cdd29

meh... interesting idea but I don't like the fact it's only limited to specific lenses., creating/targeting a specific group of users in an already niche environment (Pentax in general.) I'm definitely not going to go out and buy any of those lenses for this (though I have the FA 21 on my wish list.) Plus you can do this in post. There's tons of similar simulations in NIK Effects.

I assumed I had none of the lenses either, but after looking at the list... Surprise! My 35 macro and Da15 are both there.

I thought I also still had the 20-40 but sold it for the 12-24 now that I'm kinda remembering.

So yeah it's not restricted to the new expensive lenses.

But that may be beside the point anyway. The update for the K3III apparently has a lot more included than just those seasonal looks based on the size of the K1 version of it.

**c.a.m** · 06-23-2022, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by gatorguy

I assumed I had none of the lenses either, but after looking at the list... Surprise! My 35 macro and Da15 are both there.

I had missed the HD 35mm Macro on the list. I've got that one and others on the list, so I could work with the autumn, winter, and spring modes.

Originally posted by gatorguy

The update for the K3III apparently has a lot more included than just those seasonal looks based on the size of the K1 version of it.

Please let us know if you discover any improvements!

- Craig

biz-engineer · 06-23-2022, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by gatorguy

Well, after saying I would wait to update I decided to at least look. The K3III one is 5 times the file size of the firmware update for the K1. Obviously, there's "other stuff" included, perhaps significant and perhaps not.

Or simply more expansive code and more graphical data together with the code due to programming over higher level OS. Software code never stopped to inflate, using more and more memory to do the same things (less memory efficient).

gatorguy · 06-23-2022, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by DeadJohn

I'm almost always using DNG so this doesn't impact me but it looks like Ricoh did this feature in an overly complex way. Some modes only work with some lenses and no lens can access all 4 modes. It's impossible to compare all 4 modes using 1 lens

We don't yet know that for certain.

While the current Summer one for the HD DA21 and 15 "have been selected as the best partners for the KATEN mode because they optimize the intended visual effects of the mode", the other three seasons' lens candidates may change or expand from the currently stated selection.
Quote:" Lenses compatible with autumn, winter and spring Custom Images are tentative choices and may be changed later."

Anyway, this is simply one of those fun inclusions for those who own the lenses, and maybe a nudge to non-owners to consider having a closer look at the Limiteds. No harm. At least it makes it plainer that each of the Limiteds has a unique look, a different design intent than typical lenses.

biz-engineer · 06-23-2022, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by cdd29

Plus you can do this in post. There's tons of similar simulations in NIK Effects.

You can do whatever styles you like in post, with a larger more comfortable display, but it can be time consuming, not everyone process images on computer, especially in Japan. Shooting OOC JPEGs also has merits, you can fully concentrate on the shooting process, no time spent on computer, what you get OOC is pretty good considering zero time spent on computer. I guess more photographers process their images on computer in US/EU.

**Serkevan** · 06-23-2022, 11:31 AM - **1 Like**

I honestly don't like that they are making certain JPG profiles available for only some lenses... I'd like to try the KATEN profile on my lenses!

I mean, they already made the effort. Might as well put it out for every other lens, even if in the following updates.

Oldbayrunner · 06-23-2022, 11:44 AM

Considering this only adds Katen for a couple of lens and I don't see mention of improvements for anything else, Ill be passing on this one.

house · 06-23-2022, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by gatorguy

The K3III one is 5 times the file size of the firmware update for the K1

With firmware you usually replace the whole thing. The file size of the firmware does not reflect the amount of change. The K-3 III firmware being larger is probably due to more or higher resolution graphical elements for the gui. Images always take up a lot of space.

**ffking** · 06-23-2022, 12:10 PM

Not really a serious point, but I can't help noticing that the most weather resistant lens only gets Spring and Summer usage for KATEN...

gatorguy · 06-23-2022, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by house

With firmware you usually replace the whole thing. The file size of the firmware does not reflect the amount of change. The K-3 III firmware being larger is probably due to more or higher resolution graphical elements for the gui. Images always take up a lot of space.

It's possible that's all it is. It's also possible for there to be more important fixes for the K3III that will improve the overall camera operation.

wadge22 · 06-23-2022, 01:57 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by gatorguy

I don't plan to update, at least immediately, as I don't use those lenses anyway, and no current plans to. Now if the other K3III owners report some other camera improvements lumped in I'll jump in myself. Otherwise, I'm happy to wait for the next firmware version which will incorporate this anyway.

Originally posted by biz-engineer

I just wished the new "features" weren't only about an additional color profile.

Originally posted by c.a.m

Please let us know if you discover any improvements!

Originally posted by gatorguy

Well, after saying I would wait to update I decided to at least look. The K3III one is 5 times the file size of the firmware update for the K1. Obviously, there's "other stuff" included, perhaps significant and perhaps not.

Originally posted by Oldbayrunner

Considering this only adds Katen for a couple of lens and I don't see mention of improvements for anything else, Ill be passing on this one.

They do say that the K3iii update brings "Improved stability for general performance."

On the other hand they make no such claims for the K1 or for the K1ii.

(As @Michaelina2 pointed out.)

Ian Stuart Forsyth · 06-23-2022, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

You can do whatever styles you like in post, with a larger more comfortable display, but it can be time consuming, not everyone process images on computer, especially in Japan. Shooting OOC JPEGs also has merits, you can fully concentrate on the shooting process, no time spent on computer

It would be nice to create your own favorites from the aid of a profiled system to then upload that preset into the cameras OOC JPEGS engine. It would also be nice for WB control when you are setting up the look of your image in difficult light temps

**BruceBanner** · 06-23-2022, 06:13 PM - **7 Likes**

**Larrymc** · 06-23-2022, 06:16 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by UncleVanya

The things people find offensive with are bewildering to me.

Some people are perpetually offended nowadays. I just don't understand that mindset.

06-23-2022, 11:27 AM	#35
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,092	Originally posted by DeadJohn I'm almost always using DNG so this doesn't impact me but it looks like Ricoh did this feature in an overly complex way. Some modes only work with some lenses and no lens can access all 4 modes. It's impossible to compare all 4 modes using 1 lens We don't yet know that for certain. While the current Summer one for the HD DA21 and 15 "have been selected as the best partners for the KATEN mode because they optimize the intended visual effects of the mode", the other three seasons' lens candidates may change or expand from the currently stated selection. Quote:" Lenses compatible with autumn, winter and spring Custom Images are tentative choices and may be changed later." Anyway, this is simply one of those fun inclusions for those who own the lenses, and maybe a nudge to non-owners to consider having a closer look at the Limiteds. No harm. At least it makes it plainer that each of the Limiteds has a unique look, a different design intent than typical lenses. Last edited by gatorguy; 06-23-2022 at 11:33 AM.

06-23-2022, 01:11 PM	#41
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,092	Originally posted by house With firmware you usually replace the whole thing. The file size of the firmware does not reflect the amount of change. The K-3 III firmware being larger is probably due to more or higher resolution graphical elements for the gui. Images always take up a lot of space. It's possible that's all it is. It's also possible for there to be more important fixes for the K3III that will improve the overall camera operation. Last edited by gatorguy; 06-23-2022 at 01:26 PM.

06-23-2022, 01:57 PM - 1 Like	#42
wadge22 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: NE Ohio Photos: Albums Posts: 897	Originally posted by gatorguy I don't plan to update, at least immediately, as I don't use those lenses anyway, and no current plans to. Now if the other K3III owners report some other camera improvements lumped in I'll jump in myself. Otherwise, I'm happy to wait for the next firmware version which will incorporate this anyway. Originally posted by biz-engineer I just wished the new "features" weren't only about an additional color profile. Originally posted by c.a.m Please let us know if you discover any improvements! Originally posted by gatorguy Well, after saying I would wait to update I decided to at least look. The K3III one is 5 times the file size of the firmware update for the K1. Obviously, there's "other stuff" included, perhaps significant and perhaps not. Originally posted by Oldbayrunner Considering this only adds Katen for a couple of lens and I don't see mention of improvements for anything else, Ill be passing on this one. They do say that the K3iii update brings "Improved stability for general performance." On the other hand they make no such claims for the K1 or for the K1ii. (As @Michaelina2 pointed out.) Last edited by wadge22; 06-23-2022 at 02:02 PM.

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06-23-2022, 11:09 AM	#31
cdd29 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Southern Indiana Photos: Gallery Posts: 961	meh... interesting idea but I don't like the fact it's only limited to specific lenses., creating/targeting a specific group of users in an already niche environment (Pentax in general.) I'm definitely not going to go out and buy any of those lenses for this (though I have the FA 21 on my wish list.) Plus you can do this in post. There's tons of similar simulations in NIK Effects.

06-23-2022, 11:18 AM	#32
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,092	Originally posted by cdd29 meh... interesting idea but I don't like the fact it's only limited to specific lenses., creating/targeting a specific group of users in an already niche environment (Pentax in general.) I'm definitely not going to go out and buy any of those lenses for this (though I have the FA 21 on my wish list.) Plus you can do this in post. There's tons of similar simulations in NIK Effects. I assumed I had none of the lenses either, but after looking at the list... Surprise! My 35 macro and Da15 are both there. I thought I also still had the 20-40 but sold it for the 12-24 now that I'm kinda remembering. So yeah it's not restricted to the new expensive lenses. But that may be beside the point anyway. The update for the K3III apparently has a lot more included than just those seasonal looks based on the size of the K1 version of it.

06-23-2022, 11:23 AM	#33
c.a.m Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ottawa, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,188	Originally posted by gatorguy I assumed I had none of the lenses either, but after looking at the list... Surprise! My 35 macro and Da15 are both there. I had missed the HD 35mm Macro on the list. I've got that one and others on the list, so I could work with the autumn, winter, and spring modes. Originally posted by gatorguy The update for the K3III apparently has a lot more included than just those seasonal looks based on the size of the K1 version of it. Please let us know if you discover any improvements! - Craig

06-23-2022, 11:24 AM	#34
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,225	Originally posted by gatorguy Well, after saying I would wait to update I decided to at least look. The K3III one is 5 times the file size of the firmware update for the K1. Obviously, there's "other stuff" included, perhaps significant and perhaps not. Or simply more expansive code and more graphical data together with the code due to programming over higher level OS. Software code never stopped to inflate, using more and more memory to do the same things (less memory efficient).

06-23-2022, 11:28 AM	#36
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,225	Originally posted by cdd29 Plus you can do this in post. There's tons of similar simulations in NIK Effects. You can do whatever styles you like in post, with a larger more comfortable display, but it can be time consuming, not everyone process images on computer, especially in Japan. Shooting OOC JPEGs also has merits, you can fully concentrate on the shooting process, no time spent on computer, what you get OOC is pretty good considering zero time spent on computer. I guess more photographers process their images on computer in US/EU.

06-23-2022, 11:31 AM - 1 Like	#37
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	I honestly don't like that they are making certain JPG profiles available for only some lenses... I'd like to try the KATEN profile on my lenses! I mean, they already made the effort. Might as well put it out for every other lens, even if in the following updates.

06-23-2022, 11:44 AM	#38
Oldbayrunner Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,665	Considering this only adds Katen for a couple of lens and I don't see mention of improvements for anything else, Ill be passing on this one.

06-23-2022, 11:57 AM	#39
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by gatorguy The K3III one is 5 times the file size of the firmware update for the K1 With firmware you usually replace the whole thing. The file size of the firmware does not reflect the amount of change. The K-3 III firmware being larger is probably due to more or higher resolution graphical elements for the gui. Images always take up a lot of space.

06-23-2022, 12:10 PM	#40
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Not really a serious point, but I can't help noticing that the most weather resistant lens only gets Spring and Summer usage for KATEN...

06-23-2022, 02:04 PM	#43
Ian Stuart Forsyth Pentaxian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,531	Originally posted by biz-engineer You can do whatever styles you like in post, with a larger more comfortable display, but it can be time consuming, not everyone process images on computer, especially in Japan. Shooting OOC JPEGs also has merits, you can fully concentrate on the shooting process, no time spent on computer It would be nice to create your own favorites from the aid of a profiled system to then upload that preset into the cameras OOC JPEGS engine. It would also be nice for WB control when you are setting up the look of your image in difficult light temps

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06-23-2022, 06:16 PM - 3 Likes	#45
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251	Originally posted by UncleVanya The things people find offensive with are bewildering to me. Some people are perpetually offended nowadays. I just don't understand that mindset.