New firmware for K3 III and K-1 introduced season specific shooting modes

**jersey** · 06-25-2022, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

Introducing profiles that mess with the Limiteds' rendering kind of defeats the intended object of them.

Why? It works in same way like using different films in analog cameras.

Originally posted by Paul the Sunman

I'm looking at them on a newly calibrated Benq SW270C, and I don't disagree.

I am looking at them at my never calibrated laptop ThinkPad E580 15,6'' screen and I like KATEN more then BRIGHT (not to mention SATOBI)

Mistral75 · 06-25-2022, 03:49 AM

Originally posted by gatorguy

(...) The K3III one is 5 times the file size of the firmware update for the K1. Obviously, there's "other stuff" included, perhaps significant and perhaps not.

(...)

Originally posted by house

With firmware you usually replace the whole thing. The file size of the firmware does not reflect the amount of change. The K-3 III firmware being larger is probably due to more or higher resolution graphical elements for the gui. Images always take up a lot of space.

Originally posted by leekil

The firmware doesn't really change size based on how many fixes are in it; you get a whole new replacement firmware each time, it's isn't just adding only the new things on top of the old firmware in the camera. The K-3 III firmware is probably always larger than the older cameras' firmware.

(...)

I found various firmware sizes in a similar thread on the Digital Camera Review's forum:

Originally posted by DougOB:

I noticed the difference in file sizes (different updates for a single model are similar size):

K-5 - 9.9MB
K-01 - 10.5MB
K-3 - 14.1MB
K-70 - 8.3MB
KP - 9.1MB
K-3iii - 30.7MB
GR IIIx - 27.5MB

Source: New function expansion firmware for Pentax K1, K1II, K3III cameras: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

Note the "different updates for a single model are similar size" part.

The sensible difference in firmware size between K-3 Mark III and Ricoh GR III on the one hand, former cameras on the other hand might be linked to the first two using a different, Android-based OS.

JPT · 06-25-2022, 05:40 AM

Originally posted by detour

Hi, JPT. Could you please give the source news? Thank you in advance.

It was direct mail. I get and email from Ricoh every Friday with a variety of links in it to articles and offers.

This particular item linked to a promotional page of the online store that required a code to reveal. I don’t feel like I have the right to just post the code so you can access.

You can get this email by signing up for a Ricoh Photo ID on the Japan store page. You need a Japanese address, I think.

In any case, the discounts are not huge, but I think they reveal some of the intention to sell lenses through this firmware initiative.

I tried the KATEN setting today, but the sky was a bit too misty to make it look good. Also, I’m truly rubbish with ultra wide lenses. I just can’t get used to composing with anything wider than the 18mm of the GR.

house · 06-25-2022, 06:29 AM

Some KATEN dfa21 images can be found here: https://twitter.com/hisway306/status/1540544623101128705?s=20&t=V715-zIQHotPc3kTHIjltA

No clouds unfortunately. I understood that to be an important part of the style.

RobG · 06-25-2022, 07:05 AM - **2 Likes**

FWIW, 夏天 (ka-ten) means summer heaven, or in this case "summer sky" would be a more appropriate translation. I don't know why pelople are upset about this. If you can use it, do, if you can't, don't.

gatorguy · 06-25-2022, 07:10 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by leekil

The firmware doesn't really change size based on how many fixes are in it; you get a whole new replacement firmware each time, it's isn't just adding only the new things on top of the old firmware in the camera. The K-3 III firmware is probably always larger than the older cameras' firmware.

Yup.

And it still may include some important undisclosed fixes, which based on my experience this morning on my Saturday hike may have come with improved tracking performance with this one. I'll see how repeatable it is tomorrow as I have another wildlife hike planned.

UlrichSchiegg · 06-25-2022, 10:02 AM

https://www.instagram.com/p/CfOdmclgmFiSaQpeDw_kf_zToi0Xak92NAV0-w0/

Regarding FW size: the new K-3 iii AE-Sensor is much bigger. It could also be linked to the image comparison database.

Last edited by UlrichSchiegg; 06-25-2022 at 10:02 AM. Reason: Link Adapted

reh321 · 06-25-2022, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by house

Some KATEN dfa21 images can be found here: https://twitter.com/hisway306/status/1540544623101128705?s=20&t=V715-zIQHotPc3kTHIjltA

No clouds unfortunately. I understood that to be an important part of the style.

What does KATEN style {a verbal explanation} consist of?
Why would some one want it - especially someone who doesn’t live in Japan?

Mistral75 · 06-25-2022, 02:25 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by UlrichSchiegg

Regarding FW size: the new K-3 iii AE-Sensor is much bigger. It could also be linked to the image comparison database.

The GR III / GR IIIx firmware has almost the same size as the K-3 Mark III firmware (and three times the size of the GR II firmware), yet the former has no AE-sensor.

The size of the firmware is OS-related, not AF-related.

K-1 Mark II: 8,955 kB
KP: 9,108 kB
K-3 Mark II: 14,159 kB

K-3 Mark III: 30,799 kB

GR II: 8,537 kB

GR III / GR IIIx: 27,456 kB

house · 06-25-2022, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

The GR III / GR IIIx firmware has almost the same size as the K-3 Mark III firmware (and three times the size of the GR II firmware), yet the former has no AE-sensor.

The size of the firmware is OS-related, not AF-related.

K-1 Mark II: 8,955 kB
KP: 9,108 kB
K-3 Mark II: 14,159 kB

K-3 Mark III: 30,799 kB

GR II: 8,537 kB

GR III / GR IIIx: 27,456 kB

A proprietary embedded os is likely to be smaller than even a highly tuned and optimized linux installation. In addition, as I mentioned before, there are probably many more icons shipped for the ui.

leekil · 06-25-2022, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by reh321

What does KATEN style {a verbal explanation} consist of?
Why would some one want it - especially someone who doesn’t live in Japan?

It emphasizes the blue of the sky, and also increases saturation of the green in the photo. KATEN, I guess, means "summer sky", so the idea seems to be that it emphasizes the summery aspects in photos then with that setting.

biz-engineer · 06-25-2022, 10:47 PM - **1 Like**

KATEN..
KAAHH TENNN...
Pentax KAAHHH-10 ?
Pentax KA-10 ??
Pentax K10 ???

Would this be the code name for the next Pentax camera model , low cost full frame?

**TwoUptons** · 06-26-2022, 05:13 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

KATEN..
KAAHH TENNN...
Pentax KAAHHH-10 ?
Pentax KA-10 ??
Pentax K10 ???

Would this be the code name for the next Pentax camera model , low cost full frame?

I've had a prototype since 2007

I wonder if they will eventually roll all these lens-specific profiles into more broadly applicable general profiles.
Ricoh has done that with the GRIII special editions in the past, where the new stuff was rolled out in the general firmware update a few months later.

-Eric

reh321 · 06-26-2022, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

KATEN..
KAAHH TENNN...
Pentax KAAHHH-10 ?
Pentax KA-10 ??
Pentax K10 ???

Would this be the code name for the next Pentax camera model , low cost full frame?

That would be interesting,
but I’m not going to reserve any money.

biz-engineer · 06-26-2022, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by reh321

That would be interesting,but I’m not going to reserve any money.

Thank to let know. Weren't you asking for a low cost, 24Mpixels version of the K1 in the past? You probably changed your mind.

06-25-2022, 03:49 AM	#77
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by gatorguy (...) The K3III one is 5 times the file size of the firmware update for the K1. Obviously, there's "other stuff" included, perhaps significant and perhaps not. (...) Originally posted by house With firmware you usually replace the whole thing. The file size of the firmware does not reflect the amount of change. The K-3 III firmware being larger is probably due to more or higher resolution graphical elements for the gui. Images always take up a lot of space. Originally posted by leekil The firmware doesn't really change size based on how many fixes are in it; you get a whole new replacement firmware each time, it's isn't just adding only the new things on top of the old firmware in the camera. The K-3 III firmware is probably always larger than the older cameras' firmware. (...) I found various firmware sizes in a similar thread on the Digital Camera Review's forum: Originally posted by DougOB: I noticed the difference in file sizes (different updates for a single model are similar size): K-5 - 9.9MB K-01 - 10.5MB K-3 - 14.1MB K-70 - 8.3MB KP - 9.1MB K-3iii - 30.7MB GR IIIx - 27.5MB Source: New function expansion firmware for Pentax K1, K1II, K3III cameras: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review Note the "different updates for a single model are similar size" part. The sensible difference in firmware size between K-3 Mark III and Ricoh GR III on the one hand, former cameras on the other hand might be linked to the first two using a different, Android-based OS.

06-25-2022, 02:25 PM - 1 Like	#84
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by UlrichSchiegg Regarding FW size: the new K-3 iii AE-Sensor is much bigger. It could also be linked to the image comparison database. The GR III / GR IIIx firmware has almost the same size as the K-3 Mark III firmware (and three times the size of the GR II firmware), yet the former has no AE-sensor. The size of the firmware is OS-related, not AF-related. K-1 Mark II: 8,955 kB KP: 9,108 kB K-3 Mark II: 14,159 kB K-3 Mark III: 30,799 kB GR II: 8,537 kB GR III / GR IIIx: 27,456 kB

06-25-2022, 03:39 PM	#85
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by Mistral75 The GR III / GR IIIx firmware has almost the same size as the K-3 Mark III firmware (and three times the size of the GR II firmware), yet the former has no AE-sensor. The size of the firmware is OS-related, not AF-related. K-1 Mark II: 8,955 kB KP: 9,108 kB K-3 Mark II: 14,159 kB K-3 Mark III: 30,799 kB GR II: 8,537 kB GR III / GR IIIx: 27,456 kB A proprietary embedded os is likely to be smaller than even a highly tuned and optimized linux installation. In addition, as I mentioned before, there are probably many more icons shipped for the ui.

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06-25-2022, 01:02 AM	#76
jersey Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: 3City agglomeration Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,056	Originally posted by lytrytyr Introducing profiles that mess with the Limiteds' rendering kind of defeats the intended object of them. Why? It works in same way like using different films in analog cameras. Originally posted by Paul the Sunman I'm looking at them on a newly calibrated Benq SW270C, and I don't disagree. I am looking at them at my never calibrated laptop ThinkPad E580 15,6'' screen and I like KATEN more then BRIGHT (not to mention SATOBI)

06-25-2022, 05:40 AM	#78
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821 Original Poster	Originally posted by detour Hi, JPT. Could you please give the source news? Thank you in advance. It was direct mail. I get and email from Ricoh every Friday with a variety of links in it to articles and offers. This particular item linked to a promotional page of the online store that required a code to reveal. I don’t feel like I have the right to just post the code so you can access. You can get this email by signing up for a Ricoh Photo ID on the Japan store page. You need a Japanese address, I think. In any case, the discounts are not huge, but I think they reveal some of the intention to sell lenses through this firmware initiative. I tried the KATEN setting today, but the sky was a bit too misty to make it look good. Also, I’m truly rubbish with ultra wide lenses. I just can’t get used to composing with anything wider than the 18mm of the GR.

06-25-2022, 06:29 AM	#79
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Some KATEN dfa21 images can be found here: https://twitter.com/hisway306/status/1540544623101128705?s=20&t=V715-zIQHotPc3kTHIjltA No clouds unfortunately. I understood that to be an important part of the style.

06-25-2022, 07:05 AM - 2 Likes	#80
RobG Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Canberra Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,891	FWIW, 夏天 (ka-ten) means summer heaven, or in this case "summer sky" would be a more appropriate translation. I don't know why pelople are upset about this. If you can use it, do, if you can't, don't.

06-25-2022, 07:10 AM - 1 Like	#81
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,092	Originally posted by leekil The firmware doesn't really change size based on how many fixes are in it; you get a whole new replacement firmware each time, it's isn't just adding only the new things on top of the old firmware in the camera. The K-3 III firmware is probably always larger than the older cameras' firmware. Yup. And it still may include some important undisclosed fixes, which based on my experience this morning on my Saturday hike may have come with improved tracking performance with this one. I'll see how repeatable it is tomorrow as I have another wildlife hike planned.

06-25-2022, 10:02 AM	#82
UlrichSchiegg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 298	https://www.instagram.com/p/CfOdmclgmFiSaQpeDw_kf_zToi0Xak92NAV0-w0/ Regarding FW size: the new K-3 iii AE-Sensor is much bigger. It could also be linked to the image comparison database. Last edited by UlrichSchiegg; 06-25-2022 at 10:02 AM. Reason: Link Adapted

06-25-2022, 10:29 AM	#83
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by house Some KATEN dfa21 images can be found here: https://twitter.com/hisway306/status/1540544623101128705?s=20&t=V715-zIQHotPc3kTHIjltA No clouds unfortunately. I understood that to be an important part of the style. What does KATEN style {a verbal explanation} consist of? Why would some one want it - especially someone who doesn’t live in Japan?

06-25-2022, 08:44 PM	#86
leekil Pentaxian Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 2,003	Originally posted by reh321 What does KATEN style {a verbal explanation} consist of? Why would some one want it - especially someone who doesn’t live in Japan? It emphasizes the blue of the sky, and also increases saturation of the green in the photo. KATEN, I guess, means "summer sky", so the idea seems to be that it emphasizes the summery aspects in photos then with that setting.

06-25-2022, 10:47 PM - 1 Like	#87
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	KATEN.. KAAHH TENNN... Pentax KAAHHH-10 ? Pentax KA-10 ?? Pentax K10 ??? Would this be the code name for the next Pentax camera model , low cost full frame?

06-26-2022, 05:13 AM	#88
TwoUptons Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,215	Originally posted by biz-engineer KATEN.. KAAHH TENNN... Pentax KAAHHH-10 ? Pentax KA-10 ?? Pentax K10 ??? Would this be the code name for the next Pentax camera model , low cost full frame? I've had a prototype since 2007 I wonder if they will eventually roll all these lens-specific profiles into more broadly applicable general profiles. Ricoh has done that with the GRIII special editions in the past, where the new stuff was rolled out in the general firmware update a few months later. -Eric

06-26-2022, 05:21 AM	#89
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by biz-engineer KATEN.. KAAHH TENNN... Pentax KAAHHH-10 ? Pentax KA-10 ?? Pentax K10 ??? Would this be the code name for the next Pentax camera model , low cost full frame? That would be interesting, but I’m not going to reserve any money.

06-26-2022, 11:05 AM	#90
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by reh321 That would be interesting,but I’m not going to reserve any money. Thank to let know. Weren't you asking for a low cost, 24Mpixels version of the K1 in the past? You probably changed your mind.