Updated Roadmap: New 100mm Macro Coming

Fogel70 · 08-10-2022, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

It depends. Sometimes modifications are much harder than starting from scratch, if there are pre-existing constraints that you have to respect.

In this case it is minor external change for a more modern look and applying a small optical change most likely designed by Ricoh (if there is an optical change at all).

OoKU · 08-10-2022, 05:15 PM - **4 Likes**

The shipment is due by the end of the year.

bladerunner6 · 08-11-2022, 03:55 AM

Originally posted by OoKU

The shipment is due by the end of the year.

Thanks for the update.

The pre-announcement of this lens with it just showing up on the roadmap makes me wonder if this will be the policy going forward.

Fogel70 · 08-11-2022, 05:40 AM

Originally posted by bladerunner6

Thanks for the update.

The pre-announcement of this lens with it just showing up on the roadmap makes me wonder if this will be the policy going forward.

In this case the lens was added to the roadmap the day after Ricoh held the "PENTAX Meeting Online 2022 Summer" where they showed the lens.
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I do not really think this will be the standard procedure to announce products in the future.
It is probably more that they wanted something extra to show at the online meeting for the opening of the "Pentax Clubhouse".
But we will have to wait and see.

Wheatfield · 08-11-2022, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Fogel70

In this case it is minor external change for a more modern look and applying a small optical change most likely designed by Ricoh (if there is an optical change at all).

Sheesh, a new optical design is what they are talking about in the press release. Did you miss that part?

**pres589** · 08-11-2022, 10:18 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Wheatfield

Sheesh, a new optical design is what they are talking about in the press release. Did you miss that part?

There's been all manner of odd comments in this thread. Probably best avoided, honestly.

Fogel70 · 08-11-2022, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

Sheesh, a new optical design is what they are talking about in the press release. Did you miss that part?

Which press release from Tonika are you taking about?

Wheatfield · 08-11-2022, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Fogel70

Which press release from Tonika are you taking about?

Go back and read the op. Not a press release, I used the wrong words, but new optics are indicated.

Sandy Hancock · 08-11-2022, 05:38 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Wheatfield

Go back and read the op. Not a press release, I used the wrong words, but new optics are indicated.

Fogel70's post was referring to the existing Tokina 100/2.8 macro, not the upcoming replacement for the DFA100WR.

Let's keep things a little less snippy

Wheatfield · 08-11-2022, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

Fogel70's post was referring to the existing Tokina 100/2.8 macro, not the upcoming replacement for the DFA100WR.

Let's keep things a little less snippy

Sorry. I made the mistake of thinking we were still talking about the subject of the thread.

Sandy Hancock · 08-11-2022, 07:10 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Wheatfield

Sorry. I made the mistake of thinking we were still talking about the subject of the thread.

ROFL! If you haven't noticed, threads occasionally drift a little off topic.

Anyway, discussing another brand's 100mm macro, in the context of speculating about the design of this new lens, doesn't seem too much of a stretch to me

Unregistered User 8 · 08-11-2022, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

Anyway, discussing another brand's 100mm macro, in the context of speculating about the design of this new lens, doesn't seem too much of a stretch to me

^^^^ Yep. ^^^^

Fogel70 · 08-11-2022, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

ROFL! If you haven't noticed, threads occasionally drift a little off topic.

Anyway, discussing another brand's 100mm macro, in the context of speculating about the design of this new lens, doesn't seem too much of a stretch to me

And after all, at least in the past the Tokina 100mm macro was a clone of the Pentax design. We have to see if that may also be true for the ATX-i version of the Tokina, and the upcoming version of the Pentax.
Or if Tokina only have license for using Pentax "older" design.

thibs · 08-12-2022, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Fogel70

And after all, at least in the past the Tokina 100mm macro was a clone of the Pentax design. We have to see if that may also be true for the ATX-i version of the Tokina, and the upcoming version of the Pentax.
Or if Tokina only have license for using Pentax "older" design.

Well, if Tokina can put a limiter, so can Pentax IMO.
I'd be surprised they'd change optical formula "just because".

Fogel70 · 08-12-2022, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by thibs

Well, if Tokina can put a limiter, so can Pentax IMO.
I'd be surprised they'd change optical formula "just because".

I think it is more that Tokina kept the limiter switch from earlier Pentax F/FA version.
The whole Tokina lens design reminds a lot of these older Pentax versions.

Pentax removed the limiter switch on the first D FA version and put a clamp on instead.

08-12-2022, 02:04 PM	#285
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	Originally posted by thibs Well, if Tokina can put a limiter, so can Pentax IMO. I'd be surprised they'd change optical formula "just because". I think it is more that Tokina kept the limiter switch from earlier Pentax F/FA version. The whole Tokina lens design reminds a lot of these older Pentax versions. Pentax removed the limiter switch on the first D FA version and put a clamp on instead. Last edited by Fogel70; 08-12-2022 at 02:12 PM.

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08-10-2022, 01:44 AM	#271
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	Originally posted by Serkevan It depends. Sometimes modifications are much harder than starting from scratch, if there are pre-existing constraints that you have to respect. In this case it is minor external change for a more modern look and applying a small optical change most likely designed by Ricoh (if there is an optical change at all).

08-10-2022, 05:15 PM - 4 Likes	#272
OoKU Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 740	The shipment is due by the end of the year.

08-11-2022, 03:55 AM	#273
bladerunner6 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 2,080	Originally posted by OoKU The shipment is due by the end of the year. Thanks for the update. The pre-announcement of this lens with it just showing up on the roadmap makes me wonder if this will be the policy going forward.

08-11-2022, 05:40 AM	#274
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	Originally posted by bladerunner6 Thanks for the update. The pre-announcement of this lens with it just showing up on the roadmap makes me wonder if this will be the policy going forward. In this case the lens was added to the roadmap the day after Ricoh held the "PENTAX Meeting Online 2022 Summer" where they showed the lens. ??????????????????????????PENTAX ?????? ????? 2022 ?????? \| CAPA CAMERA WEB I do not really think this will be the standard procedure to announce products in the future. It is probably more that they wanted something extra to show at the online meeting for the opening of the "Pentax Clubhouse". But we will have to wait and see.

08-11-2022, 09:41 AM	#275
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,975	Originally posted by Fogel70 In this case it is minor external change for a more modern look and applying a small optical change most likely designed by Ricoh (if there is an optical change at all). Sheesh, a new optical design is what they are talking about in the press release. Did you miss that part?

08-11-2022, 10:18 AM - 1 Like	#276
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,528	Originally posted by Wheatfield Sheesh, a new optical design is what they are talking about in the press release. Did you miss that part? There's been all manner of odd comments in this thread. Probably best avoided, honestly.

08-11-2022, 12:28 PM	#277
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	Originally posted by Wheatfield Sheesh, a new optical design is what they are talking about in the press release. Did you miss that part? Which press release from Tonika are you taking about?

08-11-2022, 02:54 PM	#278
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,975	Originally posted by Fogel70 Which press release from Tonika are you taking about? Go back and read the op. Not a press release, I used the wrong words, but new optics are indicated.

08-11-2022, 05:38 PM - 2 Likes	#279
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,267	Originally posted by Wheatfield Go back and read the op. Not a press release, I used the wrong words, but new optics are indicated. Fogel70's post was referring to the existing Tokina 100/2.8 macro, not the upcoming replacement for the DFA100WR. Let's keep things a little less snippy

08-11-2022, 07:07 PM	#280
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,975	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock Fogel70's post was referring to the existing Tokina 100/2.8 macro, not the upcoming replacement for the DFA100WR. Let's keep things a little less snippy Sorry. I made the mistake of thinking we were still talking about the subject of the thread.

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08-11-2022, 07:10 PM - 2 Likes	#281
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,267	Originally posted by Wheatfield Sorry. I made the mistake of thinking we were still talking about the subject of the thread. ROFL! If you haven't noticed, threads occasionally drift a little off topic. Anyway, discussing another brand's 100mm macro, in the context of speculating about the design of this new lens, doesn't seem too much of a stretch to me

08-11-2022, 10:01 PM	#282
Unregistered User 8 Closed Account Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,694	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock Anyway, discussing another brand's 100mm macro, in the context of speculating about the design of this new lens, doesn't seem too much of a stretch to me ^^^^ Yep. ^^^^

08-11-2022, 11:58 PM	#283
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock ROFL! If you haven't noticed, threads occasionally drift a little off topic. Anyway, discussing another brand's 100mm macro, in the context of speculating about the design of this new lens, doesn't seem too much of a stretch to me And after all, at least in the past the Tokina 100mm macro was a clone of the Pentax design. We have to see if that may also be true for the ATX-i version of the Tokina, and the upcoming version of the Pentax. Or if Tokina only have license for using Pentax "older" design.

08-12-2022, 01:43 PM	#284
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Fogel70 And after all, at least in the past the Tokina 100mm macro was a clone of the Pentax design. We have to see if that may also be true for the ATX-i version of the Tokina, and the upcoming version of the Pentax. Or if Tokina only have license for using Pentax "older" design. Well, if Tokina can put a limiter, so can Pentax IMO. I'd be surprised they'd change optical formula "just because".