Ricoh imaging registration BC-186 Battery charger

biz-engineer · 09-12-2022, 11:03 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Rondec

Can we just say that Ricoh is likely to release a new camera with either a new battery or at the least a new charger associated with an old battery?

Without further evidence, such as Wifi registration, I only imagine Ricoh would release an environment friendly, off the grid battery charger with a builtin dynamo and crank.

MMVIII · 09-12-2022, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

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IIRC, the D-Li109 in the K-70/KP does not have a corresponding fast charger yet - and neither of those two cameras offers in-camera charging either. That's what got the rumor started in the first place, I think it's the most likely explanation.

Right. But, if the D-LI90 is taken as an example, then there is NO need for a NEW USB-C charger if a NEW camera using the OLD D-Li109 would include USB-C charging. Because the SAME charger would work - as it does for the OLD D-Li90 in the K-3III. The changes would need to be made IN the NEW camera, almost any USB-C charger can then be used.

The logic chain "New charger>unsupported battery>new camera model with this battery and USB-,charging" is flawed, because this new camera would not need a new charger. At least technically. That's all I have to say here. Not saying that there might not be other reasons for an additional charger, like marketing etc.

But I don't want to spoil the speculation party on the other hand.

texandrews · 09-12-2022, 12:17 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Without further evidence, such as Wifi registration, I only imagine Ricoh would release an environment friendly, off the grid battery charger with a builtin dynamo and crank.

I'd love that. And if it could hook up to a bike even better.

Originally posted by MMVIII

But I don't want to spoil the speculation party on the other hand.

Yeah! I mean, we gotta have just a little oxygen!

reh321 · 09-12-2022, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

What don't you understand in the phrase "this week" which you stated twice and now seem incapable of (re)considering?

Originally posted by Mistral75

What's so special about this week? Did I miss something?

No, but often Pentax leaks a hint just before announcing.

thibs · 09-12-2022, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by MMVIII

Right. But, if the D-LI90 is taken as an example, then there is NO need for a NEW USB-C charger if a NEW camera using the OLD D-Li109 would include USB-C charging. Because the SAME charger would work - as it does for the OLD D-Li90 in the K-3III. The changes would need to be made IN the NEW camera, almost any USB-C charger can then be used.

The logic chain "New charger>unsupported battery>new camera model with this battery and USB-,charging" is flawed, because this new camera would not need a new charger. At least technically. That's all I have to say here. Not saying that there might not be other reasons for an additional charger, like marketing etc.

But I don't want to spoil the speculation party on the other hand.

Mmm one might one to fast charge a battery with other means than the camera itself. IMO.

Mistral75 · 09-12-2022, 02:27 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

No, but often Pentax leaks a hint just before announcing.

Ah OK. Now I see where you come from.

However, what we're talking about in this thread is not a Pentax leak. It's the copy of a publication made by the RRA, the South Korean Radio Research Agency.

The RRA is a governmental agency in charge, inter alia, of registering/certifying products which emit electromagnetic radiation; in this case, a battery charger.

Ricoh Imaging filed months ago for this registration. They had to provide sample units, have EMR tests made by an independent lab certified by the RRA, answer any questions asked by the lab or the RRA itself, etc.

In short, they have absolutely no control over the timetable of such registration (save for knowing it takes approximately x months from filing to registration).

Therefore, this registration being published on the 6th of September doesn't give any hint other than the corresponding product being in the process to be brought to market. In a week, a month or later™.

BROO · 09-12-2022, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by MMVIII

The logic chain "New charger>unsupported battery>new camera model with this battery and USB-,charging" is flawed, because this new camera would not need a new charger. At least technically. That's all I have to say here. Not saying that there might not be other reasons for an additional charger, like marketing etc.

But I don't want to spoil the speculation party on the other hand.

What if there was a new, bigger battery? Would that require a larger capacity charger?

I really don't know that much about these things but I would think a new K-1 or 645Z would have a feature set that may require more power and therefore require a more powerful charger.

To answer the OP. I don't think a replacement for the K-1 would be ready yet.
Apparently the Z645 has been developed and is ready to go, there was talk of a video centric APS-C camera being developed too and I don't think the GR will be replaced soon as it is selling well.
For my guess if I had to choose out of the four then it is either the 645Z or K70 with higher video features and possibly a new 50-135 PLM to go with it!. But would it need a new charger?

The new 645z would definitely have a bigger battery or two and would require a larger capacity charger.

Oh OokU she really has stirred things up...

MMVIII · 09-12-2022, 11:03 PM

Okay, before I write something wrong here I looked it up again.
For the K-3III:
The K-BC 177 is a combination kit Battery charger for D-LI90 Rechargeable Lithium-ion Battery and combines the:
* D-BC 177 charger
an the
* AC ADAPTER KIT K-AC 166

~~It did not register (?) the D-BC 186 before the K-3III, because - I don't know, can't find this charger at the Ricoh accessories list, neither for DSLRs nor compacts or the GR3s.~~
Accessories | PENTAX K-3 Mark III | RICOH IMAGING
Battery Accessories for Compact | Accessories | Products | RICOH IMAGING
Accessories / RICOH GR III/GR IIIx | RICOH IMAGING

The D-BC 177 is an external charger that takes power from USB-C, either K-AC 166 or your own.

The D-BC ~~188~~ 186 might be the same, and I correct my previous statement, it might be for another battery, which, is now still open to many wonderful pages of speculation.

Just one hint: the K-3III etc. D-Li90 charger is D-BC 177 (not ~~186~~ 183 as ~~stated~~ indicated in the original post). The GR3s battery DB-110 charger is BJ-11 and for the WG-series the charger kit is the K-BC 183...

BROO · 09-12-2022, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by MMVIII

Okay, before I write something wrong here I looked it up again.
For the K-3III:
The K-BC 177 is a combination kit Battery charger for D-LI90 Rechargeable Lithium-ion Battery and combines the:
* D-BC 177 charger
an the
* AC ADAPTER KIT K-AC 166

It did not register (?) the D-BC 186 before the K-3III, because - I don't know, can't find this charger at the Ricoh accessories list, neither for DSLRs nor compacts or the GR3s.
Accessories | PENTAX K-3 Mark III | RICOH IMAGING
Battery Accessories for Compact | Accessories | Products | RICOH IMAGING
Accessories / RICOH GR III/GR IIIx | RICOH IMAGING

The D-BC 177 is an external charger that takes power from USB-C, either K-AC 166 or your own.

The D-BC 188 might be the same, and I correct my previous statement, it might be for another battery, which, is now still open to many wonderful pages of speculation.

Just one hint: the K-3III etc. D-Li90 charger is D-BC 177 (not 186 as stated in the original post). The GR3s battery DB-110 charger is BJ-11 and for the WG-series the charger kit is the K-BC 183...

The BC-186 has reportedly been registered recently not BC-188?.
The BC-183 was registered prior to the release of the K-3 MkIII but was actually for the WG-series camera as stated above.

MMVIII · 09-12-2022, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by BROO

The BC-186 has reportedly been registered recently not BC-188?.
The BC-183 was registered prior to the release of the K-3 MkIII but was actually for the WG-series camera as stated above.

Correct, now I got confused by scrolling up and down in the thread.

Still, I think it is essential to say this and the original post may be misleading here. The 183 has been registered before the K-3III, but it had nothing to do with it or any DSLR or GR, but was for the compact WG camera.
I mean, those would also benefit a lot from USB-C charging possibility.

repaap · 09-13-2022, 12:15 AM - **1 Like**

Funny! let's see if there is again this kind of way how it goes. New charger for another compact WG and new K- or 645 mount camera(did sneak 645 at there on purpose, because why not)..

Mistral75 · 09-13-2022, 01:38 AM - **1 Like**

A quick recap.

Mistral75 · 09-13-2022, 02:01 AM - **1 Like**

Another piece of information. D-BC183 was registered in March 2021 in Russia. The corresponding publication stirred up quite an interest among us:

New charger D-BC183 registered - Sign of new camera? - PentaxForums.com

Yet, Ricoh WG-70, the first camera to take advantage of it, had been announced in February 2020, one year before, and Ricoh WG-80, the next one, was announced in May 2022, one year after.

**ffking** · 09-13-2022, 02:12 AM

I suppose there could also be a new battery grip with a bigger battery that wouldm't affect the form factor of the camera - not likely, just something for the mix...

JPT · 09-13-2022, 02:47 AM

Another really dull possibility is that as Pentax separates its lineup from GR, they want to have all their chargers with consistent naming. In this case the D-BC186 might just be the Pentax-branded version of the BJ-11, to be sold alongside the forthcoming but equally boring Pentax WG-8.

The fact that the numbering is D-BC18X (with an “8” not a “7”) might be an indication of this.

Even if this is the case, I still think a K-70/KP replacement is not too far off and it will probably have a new USB-C charger too. Pentax stated that they plan to make a new camera below the K-3 III at last November’s event, and the K-70 may be out of production already.

09-12-2022, 11:03 PM	#98
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Okay, before I write something wrong here I looked it up again. For the K-3III: The K-BC 177 is a combination kit Battery charger for D-LI90 Rechargeable Lithium-ion Battery and combines the: * D-BC 177 charger an the * AC ADAPTER KIT K-AC 166 ~~It did not register (?) the D-BC 186 before the K-3III, because - I don't know, can't find this charger at the Ricoh accessories list, neither for DSLRs nor compacts or the GR3s.~~ Accessories \| PENTAX K-3 Mark III \| RICOH IMAGING Battery Accessories for Compact \| Accessories \| Products \| RICOH IMAGING Accessories / RICOH GR III/GR IIIx \| RICOH IMAGING The D-BC 177 is an external charger that takes power from USB-C, either K-AC 166 or your own. The D-BC ~~188~~ 186 might be the same, and I correct my previous statement, it might be for another battery, which, is now still open to many wonderful pages of speculation. Just one hint: the K-3III etc. D-Li90 charger is D-BC 177 (not ~~186~~ 183 as ~~stated~~ indicated in the original post). The GR3s battery DB-110 charger is BJ-11 and for the WG-series the charger kit is the K-BC 183... Last edited by MMVIII; 09-13-2022 at 12:03 AM. Reason: Corrections

09-12-2022, 11:23 PM	#99
BROO Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 655	Originally posted by MMVIII Okay, before I write something wrong here I looked it up again. For the K-3III: The K-BC 177 is a combination kit Battery charger for D-LI90 Rechargeable Lithium-ion Battery and combines the: * D-BC 177 charger an the * AC ADAPTER KIT K-AC 166 It did not register (?) the D-BC 186 before the K-3III, because - I don't know, can't find this charger at the Ricoh accessories list, neither for DSLRs nor compacts or the GR3s. Accessories \| PENTAX K-3 Mark III \| RICOH IMAGING Battery Accessories for Compact \| Accessories \| Products \| RICOH IMAGING Accessories / RICOH GR III/GR IIIx \| RICOH IMAGING The D-BC 177 is an external charger that takes power from USB-C, either K-AC 166 or your own. The D-BC 188 might be the same, and I correct my previous statement, it might be for another battery, which, is now still open to many wonderful pages of speculation. Just one hint: the K-3III etc. D-Li90 charger is D-BC 177 (not 186 as stated in the original post). The GR3s battery DB-110 charger is BJ-11 and for the WG-series the charger kit is the K-BC 183... The BC-186 has reportedly been registered recently not BC-188?. The BC-183 was registered prior to the release of the K-3 MkIII but was actually for the WG-series camera as stated above. Last edited by BROO; 09-12-2022 at 11:29 PM.

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09-12-2022, 11:03 AM - 1 Like	#91
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,225	Originally posted by Rondec Can we just say that Ricoh is likely to release a new camera with either a new battery or at the least a new charger associated with an old battery? Without further evidence, such as Wifi registration, I only imagine Ricoh would release an environment friendly, off the grid battery charger with a builtin dynamo and crank.

09-12-2022, 11:49 AM	#92
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by Serkevan ... IIRC, the D-Li109 in the K-70/KP does not have a corresponding fast charger yet - and neither of those two cameras offers in-camera charging either. That's what got the rumor started in the first place, I think it's the most likely explanation. Right. But, if the D-LI90 is taken as an example, then there is NO need for a NEW USB-C charger if a NEW camera using the OLD D-Li109 would include USB-C charging. Because the SAME charger would work - as it does for the OLD D-Li90 in the K-3III. The changes would need to be made IN the NEW camera, almost any USB-C charger can then be used. The logic chain "New charger>unsupported battery>new camera model with this battery and USB-,charging" is flawed, because this new camera would not need a new charger. At least technically. That's all I have to say here. Not saying that there might not be other reasons for an additional charger, like marketing etc. But I don't want to spoil the speculation party on the other hand.

09-12-2022, 12:17 PM - 1 Like	#93
texandrews Moderator Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Baltimore Photos: Albums Posts: 3,390	Originally posted by biz-engineer Without further evidence, such as Wifi registration, I only imagine Ricoh would release an environment friendly, off the grid battery charger with a builtin dynamo and crank. I'd love that. And if it could hook up to a bike even better. Originally posted by MMVIII But I don't want to spoil the speculation party on the other hand. Yeah! I mean, we gotta have just a little oxygen!

09-12-2022, 12:18 PM	#94
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,175	Originally posted by Mistral75 What don't you understand in the phrase "*this week*" which you stated twice and now seem incapable of (re)considering? Originally posted by Mistral75 What's so special about this week? Did I miss something? No, but often Pentax leaks a hint just before announcing.

09-12-2022, 02:03 PM	#95
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by MMVIII Right. But, if the D-LI90 is taken as an example, then there is NO need for a NEW USB-C charger if a NEW camera using the OLD D-Li109 would include USB-C charging. Because the SAME charger would work - as it does for the OLD D-Li90 in the K-3III. The changes would need to be made IN the NEW camera, almost any USB-C charger can then be used. The logic chain "New charger>unsupported battery>new camera model with this battery and USB-,charging" is flawed, because this new camera would not need a new charger. At least technically. That's all I have to say here. Not saying that there might not be other reasons for an additional charger, like marketing etc. But I don't want to spoil the speculation party on the other hand. Mmm one might one to fast charge a battery with other means than the camera itself. IMO.

09-12-2022, 02:27 PM - 1 Like	#96
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,526	Originally posted by reh321 No, but often Pentax leaks a hint just before announcing. Ah OK. Now I see where you come from. However, what we're talking about in this thread is not a Pentax leak. It's the copy of a publication made by the RRA, the South Korean Radio Research Agency. The RRA is a governmental agency in charge, inter alia, of registering/certifying products which emit electromagnetic radiation; in this case, a battery charger. Ricoh Imaging filed months ago for this registration. They had to provide sample units, have EMR tests made by an independent lab certified by the RRA, answer any questions asked by the lab or the RRA itself, etc. In short, they have absolutely no control over the timetable of such registration (save for knowing it takes approximately x months from filing to registration). Therefore, this registration being published on the 6th of September doesn't give any hint other than the corresponding product being in the process to be brought to market. In a week, a month or later™.

09-12-2022, 07:51 PM	#97
BROO Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 655	Originally posted by MMVIII The logic chain "New charger>unsupported battery>new camera model with this battery and USB-,charging" is flawed, because this new camera would not need a new charger. At least technically. That's all I have to say here. Not saying that there might not be other reasons for an additional charger, like marketing etc. But I don't want to spoil the speculation party on the other hand. What if there was a new, bigger battery? Would that require a larger capacity charger? I really don't know that much about these things but I would think a new K-1 or 645Z would have a feature set that may require more power and therefore require a more powerful charger. To answer the OP. I don't think a replacement for the K-1 would be ready yet. Apparently the Z645 has been developed and is ready to go, there was talk of a video centric APS-C camera being developed too and I don't think the GR will be replaced soon as it is selling well. For my guess if I had to choose out of the four then it is either the 645Z or K70 with higher video features and possibly a new 50-135 PLM to go with it!. But would it need a new charger? The new 645z would definitely have a bigger battery or two and would require a larger capacity charger. Oh OokU she really has stirred things up...

09-12-2022, 11:33 PM	#100
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by BROO The BC-186 has reportedly been registered recently not BC-188?. The BC-183 was registered prior to the release of the K-3 MkIII but was actually for the WG-series camera as stated above. Correct, now I got confused by scrolling up and down in the thread. Still, I think it is essential to say this and the original post may be misleading here. The 183 has been registered before the K-3III, but it had nothing to do with it or any DSLR or GR, but was for the compact WG camera. I mean, those would also benefit a lot from USB-C charging possibility.

09-13-2022, 12:15 AM - 1 Like	#101
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Funny! let's see if there is again this kind of way how it goes. New charger for another compact WG and new K- or 645 mount camera(did sneak 645 at there on purpose, because why not)..

09-13-2022, 01:38 AM - 1 Like	#102
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,526	A quick recap.

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09-13-2022, 02:01 AM - 1 Like	#103
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,526	Another piece of information. D-BC183 was registered in March 2021 in Russia. The corresponding publication stirred up quite an interest among us: New charger D-BC183 registered - Sign of new camera? - PentaxForums.com Yet, Ricoh WG-70, the first camera to take advantage of it, had been announced in February 2020, one year before, and Ricoh WG-80, the next one, was announced in May 2022, one year after.

09-13-2022, 02:12 AM	#104
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	I suppose there could also be a new battery grip with a bigger battery that wouldm't affect the form factor of the camera - not likely, just something for the mix...

09-13-2022, 02:47 AM	#105
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Another really dull possibility is that as Pentax separates its lineup from GR, they want to have all their chargers with consistent naming. In this case the D-BC186 might just be the Pentax-branded version of the BJ-11, to be sold alongside the forthcoming but equally boring Pentax WG-8. The fact that the numbering is D-BC18X (with an “8” not a “7”) might be an indication of this. Even if this is the case, I still think a K-70/KP replacement is not too far off and it will probably have a new USB-C charger too. Pentax stated that they plan to make a new camera below the K-3 III at last November’s event, and the K-70 may be out of production already.