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11-09-2022, 07:50 PM   #226
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QuoteOriginally posted by sbc Quote
Is there a system to Pentax naming convention? . Other than the starting letter K, what follows are random numbers or letters. This is essentially a K-70II.
Yep.

It does show that in the transformation all camera companies are attempting to become high end niche brands, the lower end hasn't been ignored completely.

It absolutely would've been an option for Ricoh, as it's been for Canon, Nikon and Sony, to not come up with successors to end of production entry level camera bodies, to bury the K-70.

It's not about whether entry level bodies are needed by anyone, it's the amount of profit that can be made on them to offset all the other costs a camera division bears. By keeping the hardware the same, there is no additional cost, the development was paid for years ago.

We have seen the Limiteds replaced by HD versions for similar reasons. They did not get AF motors or weather sealing, that would've required new engineering. The update for the 100mm macro did get a new ED element, but otherwise remained much the same - no AF motor, no focus limiter.


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QuoteOriginally posted by detour Quote
I feel sad about Pentax. Every move it takes incurs doubt and mocking.

Back to the topic...I think, the KF is a complementary camera to the KP and will hopefully be integrated with more powerful video capability than the K-70.
I take back my words. This ain't progress but merely shame. Yeah, I understand the KF is not for pentaxians that already own any Pentax DSLR. How about putting yourself in a potential customer's shoes? Uh, will you choose a DSLR with an 11-point AF system, a possibility of solenoid failure, and weak video functionality from a less-known brand?
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Welp, I guess us K70 users get to have that nice feeling that our DSLR is still current generation.

Wait a minute....

Seriously though, the camera world is in a weird place: (Don't cuss me) I'd really like a Nikon P1000, I keep an eye out here and there for it's replacement, but there never seems ANY hint of a replacement: Most theories revolve around it's replacement cannibalising their ILC sales.

At the end of the day: Any of the pentax DSLR's produce incredible images, and I suspect 80% of users have no idea how to use their pentax to it's limits, buyers STILL buy on specs and features... knowing they'll never use them.

Enjoy what you got. Buy what you can.
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Well... poop. I had hoped for mild improvements and some sense that Pentax had moved into a unified development cycle around the new processor etc. But this is just a rehash of the K-70 which still takes great shots. No one buying a KF will have to check serial number databases if the upgraded Solenoid really is as good as people have said, buying a KF will be a simple fix for that. Overall I had hoped for a few minor updates... but what we got is very much like the change from K-30 to K-50. I wouldn't be surprised to find out you can hack the KF firmware to load on the K-70 or vice versa like can be done with the K-30/K-50...

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I give it a F.
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Ricoh's Youtube video is up.

"F" is for "Finder" and "Field" (skip to ~56s).
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QuoteOriginally posted by nixxo2002 Quote
why to discontinue KP , then release / rebrand old K70 ?? . why KF not K70 II ? and what's so special about this new camera to attract new ones ( or as many says YOUNG ) to Pentax system ??
i don't understand Ricoh marketing system .......... maybe someone can explain !!???
It seems that Ricoh use reverse logic when in comes to naming of cameras.
A camera that is a whole new design like K3 III get a mk III name, but when K70 get a minor update that would justify a mk II name, it get a new name instead.

So I really hope the upcoming FF camera will be a mk III model, and do not get a new name.

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QuoteOriginally posted by mikesbike Quote
I agree. With its 2-capital letters name, it should be a KP replacement, but it is instead in the K-70 design concept. And, KM is before KP in the alphabet, not after. But the ac-COUNT-ability has long been a problem with Pentax developing their model progression. A true KP II with a BSI sensor at this price would be a better idea. Start it out at $1,300 USD then to be dropped to just under $1,000. Hopefully, this new model will finally no longer have the solenoid problem that has plagued a number of past models, including earlier batches of the K-70.
KM?. It came out in 2008, long before KP.


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Why not calling it K70s or K71, or anything else that suggests that this is little more than a rebadge of a previous model ?
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Here's a quick summary of the delta between the KF and K-70, in case this hasn't already been posted:
  • A 12.5% increase in LCD resolution of the Vari-Angle LCD monitor to 1,037,000 dots (up from 921K dots)
  • Three new custom image modes: SATOBI, KYUSHU, KATEN.
  • Slight difference in weight. Slightly lighter at 625g (v. 628 for K-70) due to internal component changes. Same rugged, durability in magnesium-alloy chassis
  • Battery charger is different from the one included with K-70; it now includes a USB to USB-C connection. Very similar to K-3 III, which uses USB-C
  • Utility software, which used to be on CD, is now in the camera. The K-3 III was the first PENTAX DSLR that incorporated the utility software in the camera
It's great to see the addition of USB-C charging. Also, I'm guessing the internal component change could hint at a fix to the solenoid problem

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QuoteOriginally posted by Joe Dusel Quote
Yawn. Wake me up when they bring out an updated K-1.
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F really stands for Flippy screen.

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So, does the KF portend anything for Pentax's future? Some folks on DPR seem to think so, and not in a good way.

I think Pentax decided they needed to get a lower-tier body to market quickly, and they felt this was the easiest, most expedient way to do it. A bit like when they refreshed the Limited lenses.

Taken solely on its own merits, the KF is still a competitive body, as long as you don't need video or anything beyond basic AF capability.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Adam Quote
Here's a quick summary of the delta between the KF and K-70, in case this hasn't already been posted:
  • A 12.5% increase in LCD resolution of the Vari-Angle LCD monitor to 1,037,000 dots (up from 921K dots)
  • Three new custom image modes: SATOBI, KYUSHU, KATEN.
  • Slight difference in weight. Slightly lighter at 625g (v. 628 for K-70) due to internal component changes. Same rugged, durability in magnesium-alloy chassis
  • Battery charger is different from the one included with K-70; it now includes a USB to USB-C connection. Very similar to K-3 III, which uses USB-C
  • Utility software, which used to be on CD, is now in the camera. The K-3 III was the first PENTAX DSLR that incorporated the utility software in the camera
It's great to see the addition of USB-C charging. Also, I'm guessing the internal component change could hint at a fix to the solenoid problem
The addition of the SATOBI, KYUSHU, KATEN profiles is nothing new, unless it is new in regards to the fact that the K70 didn't get these profiles and only K-1 and K3iii did? But then is this really 'new', or that they mean that this 'version' of a K-70 now has these profiles whereas the K70 could/did not?? Very confusing. You could argue these profiles are not a new feature at all, my K-1 has them etc*

*unless... this KF has these Custom Image profiles that are not bound to a particular lens but that any lens attached can use them? I think this might be the case because we have already seen Pentax charge for essentially firmware upgrades (Grad ND), so this camera might be what they are wanting to entice some Pentaxians to collect, for that benefit (a little like Fuji stopped giving new Filmsims to older cameras, if you want Classic Neg, upgrade yo!).

I thought the connection was not USBC but only Micro USB??
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Having looked at the specs a little more, updating from a k50 might not be that bad... KF would hopefully ensure no more aperture block issues, 14bit 24MP sensor (one of my primary sore points is full sun shots or higher dynamic range shots, I get washed out before my phone does...)... A little more iso range wouldnt hurt (I don't care for the max iso, but a higher cap just hopefully means a more useable range into the 12,000 area), but definitely better than k50's limits where i max out at 1600 in colour.

Maybe it's not as bad as i initially assumed, but really no different than a k70 upgrade
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The KF is a solid camera. The first strong point of the camera is that you can buy it, releases date is 2022 and it will stay for a couple years to come. Not many products are released these days that meet a certain price point and offer an upgraded feature set. It is quike likeley that Pentax has trouble to keep development running, organize all the parts they need to even build existing cameras. Now they present a new camera and the forum complains. This camera is not a proposed design model, it is a product that will be available for some time. If you wait for something else, keep waiting, buy a new KP.
Pentax presented a new entry level style camera and now they can take care of the next product on their roadmap.
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