Clear-View Viewfinder in the new Pentax KF

Unregistered User · 11-19-2022, 09:11 AM

**Serkevan** · 11-19-2022, 10:11 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by swanlefitte

I also think this means a K90 is coming around the corner as soon as this model shows what innovations are wanted or not and what is cost effective to use and not.

But this model has no innovations. It won't show anything the K-70 didn't show already.

reh321 · 11-19-2022, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by swanlefitte

I also think this means a K90 is coming around the corner as soon as this model shows what innovations are wanted or not and what is cost effective to use and not.

I don’t understand how it could demonstrate the advantage of certain innovations if it is just a ‘rewarmed’ K-70.{Serkevan expressed the same reservations while I was pressing keys; {it is an obvious question}

lytrytyr · 11-21-2022, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by photogem

K-x 580 g with lithium batteries and penta-mirror
K-S1 558 g with D-LI109 and penta-prism (and larger display)

Seems like you've forgotten: "Just hold a Pentax!"

The prism in the K-S1 was in the middle of the camera. But the heft of the K-x was concentrated where the grip is, perfect for one-handed holding.

reh321 · 11-21-2022, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

Seems like you've forgotten: "Just hold a Pentax!"

The prism in the K-S1 was in the middle of the camera. But the heft of the K-x was concentrated where the grip is, perfect for one-handed holding.

I hate holding a camera with just one hand. I have been using a good solid two-handed hold for at least fifty years; “balancing lenses” has never been an issue with me, and I have no expectation of that’s changing.

RobG · 11-22-2022, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

The chip shortage has been heavily alleviated by now - everyone is releasing chip-based things again.

I am seeing delays of 6-12 months on AV and network equipment, so there's still issues with chip supply.

**photogem** · 11-23-2022, 01:09 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by RobG

Originally posted by Serkevan

The chip shortage has been heavily alleviated by now - everyone is releasing chip-based things again. Nikon just came out with an APS-C entry-level camera. Canon made two APS-C models this year, so on and so forth.

I am seeing delays of 6-12 months on AV and network equipment, so there's still issues with chip supply.

Very true

**Serkevan** · 11-23-2022, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by RobG

I am seeing delays of 6-12 months on AV and network equipment, so there's still issues with chip supply.

And that is why I say "alleviated" instead of "solved"

The point stands - others are releasing products, even if stock is low and they need some time to fulfill orders.

**photogem** · 11-23-2022, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

And that is why I say "alleviated" instead of "solved"

The point stands - others are releasing products, even if stock is low and they need some time to fulfill orders.

Wrong: You said "heavely alleviated" which is.
I didn't know that "a point can stand"....

**Serkevan** · 11-23-2022, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by photogem

Wrong: You daid "heavely alleviated" which is.
I didn't know that "a point can stand"....

Again: did I use "solved", or imply anywhere that there were *no* issues?
No, I did not.

Would you claim that the supply issues are anywhere close to what they were in 2020/2021? Because they certainly aren't nearly as bad, definitely not in my industry or any where I have contacts.
And, again, name one camera company that has stopped announcing new products because of supply shortages (And Ricoh doesn't count

)

Also, yes, points can stand. I could, however, "the fact remains" or "My argument holds", or "I'm still right", if you'd prefer alternatives

.

OrchidJulie · 11-23-2022, 06:51 AM - **3 Likes**

Gentlemen, let's keep this civil, please. You can certainly agree to disagree.

Just sayin' ...

The thread is drifting way off-topic. Either y'all get back to the original topic or we'll just close this thread.

Moderator

Racer X 69 · 11-23-2022, 08:32 AM

Photography has come a long way from composing and focusing using ground glass to view the scene upside down and backwards using a dark cape to shut out excess light.

The pentaprism revolutionized photography, correcting the image to be upright, turned the right way, and allowing enough light to pass for quick and easy composition, then execution of a photographic image.

**Serkevan** · 11-23-2022, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by Racer X 69

The pentaprism revolutionized photography [...]

I personally find it really *really* nice that the engineers at Pentax focused so much on making the K-3iii's finder better. I'll admit I'll be a bit miffed if the same improvement doesn't make it to the K-1iii. Not that there's anything wrong with the current one, but...

**Rondec** · 11-23-2022, 08:47 AM

If you want a K-3 III performance, you'll need to pay for it. There was absolutely no way that the KF was going to have all of the features of the K-3 III for an 800 dollar price. It wouldn't make sense for Pentax to do that, even if they weren't going to lose money on the cameras with that sort of pricing.

Overall, camera pricing is moving higher. Inflation, plus fewer overall sales (not just for Pentax) combine to make it so that prices have generally climbed.

Still, the viewfinder is very nice (I think that was the subject of this thread) and it will be a very capable camera, even if it doesn't have K-3 III speed of function or auto focus capability.

reh321 · 11-23-2022, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

I personally find it really *really* nice that the engineers at Pentax focused so much on making the K-3iii's finder better. I'll admit I'll be a bit miffed if the same improvement doesn't make it to the K-1iii. Not that there's anything wrong with the current one, but...

Isn’t the K-1’s already “FF”??
Yes, perhaps they can make it brighter, but people are saying that some kind of K-70 replacement was rushed out the door so they could continue working on the K-1iii, which must mean they expect it to require a lot of engineering. I was waiting for a K-70ii with “just” the new processor and data path, and apparently I’ll have to wait and wait to send more money to Pentax. Don’t be so “miffed” - it could be worse!

11-19-2022, 10:17 AM	#48
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by swanlefitte I also think this means a K90 is coming around the corner as soon as this model shows what innovations are wanted or not and what is cost effective to use and not. I don’t understand how it could demonstrate the advantage of certain innovations if it is just a ‘rewarmed’ K-70.{Serkevan expressed the same reservations while I was pressing keys; {it is an obvious question} Last edited by reh321; 11-19-2022 at 10:42 AM.

11-23-2022, 05:54 AM	#54
photogem Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 3,520 Original Poster	Originally posted by Serkevan And that is why I say "alleviated" instead of "solved" The point stands - others are releasing products, even if stock is low and they need some time to fulfill orders. Wrong: You said "heavely alleviated" which is. I didn't know that "a point can stand".... Last edited by photogem; 07-02-2023 at 10:25 AM.

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11-19-2022, 10:11 AM - 2 Likes	#47
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by swanlefitte I also think this means a K90 is coming around the corner as soon as this model shows what innovations are wanted or not and what is cost effective to use and not. But this model has no innovations. It won't show anything the K-70 didn't show already.

11-21-2022, 06:34 PM	#49
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by photogem K-x 580 g with lithium batteries and penta-mirror K-S1 558 g with D-LI109 and penta-prism (and larger display) Seems like you've forgotten: "Just hold a Pentax!" The prism in the K-S1 was in the middle of the camera. But the heft of the K-x was concentrated where the grip is, perfect for one-handed holding.

11-21-2022, 09:01 PM	#50
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by lytrytyr Seems like you've forgotten: "Just hold a Pentax!" The prism in the K-S1 was in the middle of the camera. But the heft of the K-x was concentrated where the grip is, perfect for one-handed holding. I hate holding a camera with just one hand. I have been using a good solid two-handed hold for at least fifty years; “balancing lenses” has never been an issue with me, and I have no expectation of that’s changing.

11-22-2022, 02:42 PM	#51
RobG Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Canberra Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,888	Originally posted by Serkevan The chip shortage has been heavily alleviated by now - everyone is releasing chip-based things again. I am seeing delays of 6-12 months on AV and network equipment, so there's still issues with chip supply.

11-23-2022, 01:09 AM - 1 Like	#52
photogem Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 3,520 Original Poster	Originally posted by RobG Originally posted by Serkevan The chip shortage has been heavily alleviated by now - everyone is releasing chip-based things again. Nikon just came out with an APS-C entry-level camera. Canon made two APS-C models this year, so on and so forth. I am seeing delays of 6-12 months on AV and network equipment, so there's still issues with chip supply. Very true

11-23-2022, 03:01 AM	#53
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by RobG I am seeing delays of 6-12 months on AV and network equipment, so there's still issues with chip supply. And that is why I say "alleviated" instead of "solved" The point stands - others are releasing products, even if stock is low and they need some time to fulfill orders.

11-23-2022, 06:16 AM	#55
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by photogem Wrong: You daid "heavely alleviated" which is. I didn't know that "a point can stand".... Again: did I use "solved", or imply anywhere that there were no issues? No, I did not. Would you claim that the supply issues are anywhere close to what they were in 2020/2021? Because they certainly aren't nearly as bad, definitely not in my industry or any where I have contacts. And, again, name one camera company that has stopped announcing new products because of supply shortages (And Ricoh doesn't count ) Also, yes, points can stand. I could, however, "the fact remains" or "My argument holds", or "I'm still right", if you'd prefer alternatives .

11-23-2022, 06:51 AM - 3 Likes	#56
OrchidJulie Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Magic City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,931	Gentlemen, let's keep this civil, please. You can certainly agree to disagree. Just sayin' ... The thread is drifting way off-topic. Either y'all get back to the original topic or we'll just close this thread. Moderator

11-23-2022, 08:32 AM	#57
Racer X 69 Moderator Man With A Camera Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: The Great Pacific Northwet, in the Land Between Canada and Mexico Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,065	Photography has come a long way from composing and focusing using ground glass to view the scene upside down and backwards using a dark cape to shut out excess light. The pentaprism revolutionized photography, correcting the image to be upright, turned the right way, and allowing enough light to pass for quick and easy composition, then execution of a photographic image.

11-23-2022, 08:42 AM	#58
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Racer X 69 The pentaprism revolutionized photography [...] I personally find it really really nice that the engineers at Pentax focused so much on making the K-3iii's finder better. I'll admit I'll be a bit miffed if the same improvement doesn't make it to the K-1iii. Not that there's anything wrong with the current one, but...

11-19-2022, 09:11 AM	#46
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11-23-2022, 08:47 AM	#59
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	If you want a K-3 III performance, you'll need to pay for it. There was absolutely no way that the KF was going to have all of the features of the K-3 III for an 800 dollar price. It wouldn't make sense for Pentax to do that, even if they weren't going to lose money on the cameras with that sort of pricing. Overall, camera pricing is moving higher. Inflation, plus fewer overall sales (not just for Pentax) combine to make it so that prices have generally climbed. Still, the viewfinder is very nice (I think that was the subject of this thread) and it will be a very capable camera, even if it doesn't have K-3 III speed of function or auto focus capability.

11-23-2022, 08:56 AM	#60
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by Serkevan I personally find it really really nice that the engineers at Pentax focused so much on making the K-3iii's finder better. I'll admit I'll be a bit miffed if the same improvement doesn't make it to the K-1iii. Not that there's anything wrong with the current one, but... Isn’t the K-1’s already “FF”?? Yes, perhaps they can make it brighter, but people are saying that some kind of K-70 replacement was rushed out the door so they could continue working on the K-1iii, which must mean they expect it to require a lot of engineering. I was waiting for a K-70ii with “just” the new processor and data path, and apparently I’ll have to wait and wait to send more money to Pentax. Don’t be so “miffed” - it could be worse!