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**Cerebum** · 05-28-2023, 02:31 PM

Assuming the film camera happens (and I am pretty confident it will) I wonder if we will get a Pentax film. As I am speculating, what would we prefer? Grainy or smooth, contrasty or benign, fast or slow?

Wheatfield · 05-28-2023, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by Cerebum

My absolute favourite though is ilford XP2. It is supposed to be developed in C41 chemicals but I shoot mine at 200 and develop it in ID-11, utterly gorgeous

Be aware that when you process a colour film in B&W chemistry you are not removing the colour couplers and unresolved dyes that the bleach removes in C-41. This does have an effect on image longevity.

**Cerebum** · 05-28-2023, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

Be aware that when you process a colour film in B&W chemistry you are not removing the colour couplers and unresolved dyes that the bleach removes in C-41. This does have an effect on image longevity.

Yeah I know. That's the down side and it is a pretty major one for anyone who archives negatives. I don't keep mine so I am OK in that regard but it is a very good point.

reh321 · 05-29-2023, 06:11 AM

Online, my local photo store describes some of the modern B&W films as giving a feel sort of like digital. I’m not quite sure what they mean by that - I guess I will understand that after I’ve used each.

**BigMackCam** · 05-29-2023, 06:33 AM

Originally posted by reh321

Online, my local photo store describes some of the modern B&W films as giving a feel sort of like digital. I’m not quite sure what they mean by that - I guess I will understand that after I’ve used each.

They're probably talking about tabular-grain ("T-grain") films.

I do, however, think that a lot of folks who use a hybrid workflow - digitising rather than darkroom-printing their films - have a tendency to over-do the post-processing (especially sharpening), and that can lead to digital-like results... or, rather, results that don't reflect the character of the film as much as they otherwise might...

reh321 · 05-29-2023, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

They're probably talking about tabular-grain ("T-grain") films.

I do, however, think that a lot of folks who use a hybrid workflow - digitising rather than darkroom-printing their films - have a tendency to over-do the post-processing (especially sharpening), and that can lead to digital-like results... or, rather, results that don't reflect the character of the film as much as they otherwise might...

Any idea whether I should expect to see a difference on a, say 2400 dpi, scan? I adjust levels, but little else.

lotech · 05-31-2023, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Cerebum

Assuming the film camera happens (and I am pretty confident it will) I wonder if we will get a Pentax film. As I am speculating, what would we prefer? Grainy or smooth, contrasty or benign, fast or slow?

That's what I am hoping to see ! Remember the Polaroid DIY 35mm processor ? I wished someone in kickstarter will make it a come back, and hopefully someone can come up with an environmental friendly film emulsion that can be processed easily at home, keep day dreaming

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05-28-2023, 02:31 PM	#106
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,829	Assuming the film camera happens (and I am pretty confident it will) I wonder if we will get a Pentax film. As I am speculating, what would we prefer? Grainy or smooth, contrasty or benign, fast or slow?

05-28-2023, 07:49 PM	#107
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,986	Originally posted by Cerebum My absolute favourite though is ilford XP2. It is supposed to be developed in C41 chemicals but I shoot mine at 200 and develop it in ID-11, utterly gorgeous Be aware that when you process a colour film in B&W chemistry you are not removing the colour couplers and unresolved dyes that the bleach removes in C-41. This does have an effect on image longevity.

05-28-2023, 10:50 PM	#108
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,829	Originally posted by Wheatfield Be aware that when you process a colour film in B&W chemistry you are not removing the colour couplers and unresolved dyes that the bleach removes in C-41. This does have an effect on image longevity. Yeah I know. That's the down side and it is a pretty major one for anyone who archives negatives. I don't keep mine so I am OK in that regard but it is a very good point.

05-29-2023, 06:11 AM	#109
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Online, my local photo store describes some of the modern B&W films as giving a feel sort of like digital. I’m not quite sure what they mean by that - I guess I will understand that after I’ve used each.

05-29-2023, 06:33 AM	#110
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,695	Originally posted by reh321 Online, my local photo store describes some of the modern B&W films as giving a feel sort of like digital. I’m not quite sure what they mean by that - I guess I will understand that after I’ve used each. They're probably talking about tabular-grain ("T-grain") films. I do, however, think that a lot of folks who use a hybrid workflow - digitising rather than darkroom-printing their films - have a tendency to over-do the post-processing (especially sharpening), and that can lead to digital-like results... or, rather, results that don't reflect the character of the film as much as they otherwise might...

05-29-2023, 07:14 AM	#111
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by BigMackCam They're probably talking about tabular-grain ("T-grain") films. I do, however, think that a lot of folks who use a hybrid workflow - digitising rather than darkroom-printing their films - have a tendency to over-do the post-processing (especially sharpening), and that can lead to digital-like results... or, rather, results that don't reflect the character of the film as much as they otherwise might... Any idea whether I should expect to see a difference on a, say 2400 dpi, scan? I adjust levels, but little else.

05-31-2023, 05:52 PM	#112
lotech Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,312	Originally posted by Cerebum Assuming the film camera happens (and I am pretty confident it will) I wonder if we will get a Pentax film. As I am speculating, what would we prefer? Grainy or smooth, contrasty or benign, fast or slow? That's what I am hoping to see ! Remember the Polaroid DIY 35mm processor ? I wished someone in kickstarter will make it a come back, and hopefully someone can come up with an environmental friendly film emulsion that can be processed easily at home, keep day dreaming