Originally posted by er1kksen The sensor and shutter do require greater thickness than a film body, admittedly, but I do think they could be made thinner in that respect than they are today. imo, the current thickness of the main body portion is already in the "coat-pocketable" range. It's that danged grip that snags on everything and gets in the way.
It is true, the grip and the xxxx built-in flash (OK sometimes I have use for it) makes the whole camera more bulky. Still I would like to loose another 10mm in depth (which of course require the grip to go as well), but I suspect it is impossible with digital (with current technology at least).
Originally posted by er1kksen I've never played with an MX or Super A, but I do know that my modern plastic DSLR has twice the volume of my old Olympus OM-2, but only half the weight. Maybe the MX and Super A are considerably lighter than that, I guess.
I think OM2 corresponds quite well to MX, and it was basically Olympus and Pentax who went the furthest in trying to make compact SLRs. The compact cameras from Pentax of this period was ~500g, while the last film bodies in the late 90's and early 2000's from Pentax was from 300-400g, in comparison to the k200D and K20D that are between 600 and 700g (+bateries), same roughly as the old K-line cameras. So your olympus cameras appears to show roughly the same trend, right? (see thread with figures:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-film-slr-discussion/45970-why-my-d...at-pocket.html).
Originally posted by Ratmagiclady Lightness is, frankly, overrated. Great till you get somewhere, then when you go to shoot, all of a sudden you need high tech SR and/ or ballast.. and maybe a grip... for a steady shot, anyway, with anything longish. Small and solid works fine. Before cameras needed AAs or big batteries to run, people wondered why you had to put a winder on just to *have* a grip.
I agreed that lightness is overrated. A camera can be too light. But I'm not asking for lightness, I'm asking for smallness.
I don't need a grip for a steady shot. I need a viewfinder that makes me keep the camera and my arms close to my body. And with something longish this is even more true except that left hand can slide below the lens. Why must the grip be large as a small fist? The B grip for the LX is enough, protroud about 10mm, and the Super-A/Program-A came with a small removeable grip that protrouded about 5 mm, enough to improve
my grip on the camera body. But yes, I have worn out two winders on my Super-A/Program-A, but they were optional. I could decide when I needed them. But the digital cameras all have built in grips that are much larger than what is always needed (I'm talking the built in grip now, not the DBG's). A more compact Pentax DSLR, yes it would be nice if it had no clumpsy grip by default (a extra battery grip could add a vertical grip in front of the right side of the camera, like on the winders ME and ME II and the motor drive A). But the grip is there to make room for the battery!