PMA 2009 rumors on Pentax

Graydon · 01-04-2009, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Alfisti

This is what $hits me to tears, I even pre-focused where I thought i'd fire the shutter but as soon as I asked the AF to hit the spot it f!@#ing shudders and squarks and carries on like a stuck pig ... everythign except lock focus on a snail like moving target with BUCKETS of contrast to work with.

I have to say I'm surprised; I haven't tried wedding photography, but K20D and the FA 77 will lock focus quite rapidly on walking people, sometimes when I'm walking, too. (Yay shake reduction.)

I do usually have the ISO range tightly restricted and the focus set on center spot for that, admittedly. If the camera is trying to optimize ISO and shutter, it often can't get the focus lock for long enough before one of the other two changes.

Alfisti · 01-04-2009, 03:56 PM

Yeah I do the same except I am using the 100D. I'd love a 20D but have this thing about carrying bricks

Kunzite · 01-04-2009, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by ytterbium

Could it be that Pentax starts making their lenses in Canon and Nikon mounts, especially primes and limited's and discontinue their DSLR's.
Just a mad thought.

Pentax is about to launch a new set of DSLRs and you're asking if they'll become a 3rd-party maker?
Yep, just a mad thought. Sorry, folks, as much as you'd like Pentax dead, it ain't gonna happen.

RaduA · 01-04-2009, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Alfisti

Yeah I do the same except I am using the 100D. I'd love a 20D but have this thing about carrying bricks

What about the K-m then? You'll even use the same batteries you have for the K100D ...

Radu

Graydon · 01-04-2009, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Alfisti

Yeah I do the same except I am using the 100D. I'd love a 20D but have this thing about carrying bricks

Whereas I wouldn't want the K20D to be any smaller.

Autofocus is apparently getting better with each new design; presumably the mid-range in the K-m body will be a joy and delight in this respect.

jct us101 · 01-04-2009, 05:03 PM

Even though they're not going to go full frame (even though some of us can hope they were just kidding), something in the range of the 5D and the D700 or the A900 would be great from Pentax. The only problem is that most of the features that it would have are already in the K20D, just not as advanced, but not worthy of such a higher price point.

vinzer · 01-04-2009, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by sflights

Even though they're not going to go full frame (even though some of us can hope they were just kidding), something in the range of the 5D and the D700 or the A900 would be great from Pentax. The only problem is that most of the features that it would have are already in the K20D, just not as advanced, but not worthy of such a higher price point.

I think a lot of working pros who still use a Pentax (shock!) would be plenty happy with a Kxx model with a bigger 100% VF, 5-6 FPS, and faster AF, even if the sensor remains APS-C.

Full-frame wishers would never be satisfied until they get the full-frame sensor they wanted, even if the next Kxx has 15 FPS and 100 AF points.

**barondla** · 01-04-2009, 05:45 PM

Want NightShot night vision like Sony camcorders (especially that first model). Looking thru clothes has niche written all over it.

Won't need much advertising. Just hand one to one of the network news shows. Pentax can ask forgiveness later.
thanks
barondla

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Alfisti · 01-04-2009, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by RaduA

What about the K-m then? You'll even use the same batteries you have for the K100D ...
Radu

Sadly they neutered it. I can't select my AF point, no top LCD and a lack of direct buttons.

I just want a DS with a Lion battery, revised AF, 3in screen, the 14mp sensor and direct buttons for WB and ISo and i'll shut up forever

thePiRaTE!! · 01-04-2009, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by vinzer

I think a lot of working pros who still use a Pentax (shock!) would be plenty happy with a Kxx model with a bigger 100% VF, 5-6 FPS, and faster AF, even if the sensor remains APS-C.

Full-frame wishers would never be satisfied until they get the full-frame sensor they wanted, even if the next Kxx has 15 FPS and 100 AF points.

Its true. I think the C, N and S have all caught onto that by making a FF 'budget' model, under their pro lines.

K.

lol101 · 01-05-2009, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by vinzer

I think a lot of working pros who still use a Pentax (shock!) would be plenty happy with a Kxx model with a bigger 100% VF, 5-6 FPS, and faster AF, even if the sensor remains APS-C.

Full-frame wishers would never be satisfied until they get the full-frame sensor they wanted, even if the next Kxx has 15 FPS and 100 AF points.

The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that it would be easier for Pentax to do a high-res, low fps (3-4) FF ala 5DII than a fast AF/high fps APS-C camera ala D300.

Frankly, I think they lack the technical know-how about how to make these uber AF systems because, unlike Canon or Nikon, they just don't have the experience from decades of developing pro AF systems.

Plus it would be more in line with the emphasis Pentax has alway put on IQ before shear performances.
How about a 32MP (same pixel density as K20) weathersealed stabilized FF with 3fps and a 14MP crop mode to APS-C plus some kind of sRaw at 8MP using raw pixel binning for clean high ISO?

**Matthew** · 01-05-2009, 04:54 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Pentax is about to launch a new set of DSLRs and you're asking if they'll become a 3rd-party maker?
Yep, just a mad thought. Sorry, folks, as much as you'd like Pentax dead, it ain't gonna happen.

Hoya already sells lenses for other brands through the Tokina badge. Same lenses also sold with SMC Pentax badge.

ogl · 01-05-2009, 05:00 AM

HOYA's glass is in ALL SONY Zeiss lenses.

vinzer · 01-05-2009, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by lol101

The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that it would be easier for Pentax to do a high-res, low fps (3-4) FF ala 5DII than a fast AF/high fps APS-C camera ala D300.

Frankly, I think they lack the technical know-how about how to make these uber AF systems because, unlike Canon or Nikon, they just don't have the experience from decades of developing pro AF systems.

Plus it would be more in line with the emphasis Pentax has alway put on IQ before shear performances.
How about a 32MP (same pixel density as K20) weathersealed stabilized FF with 3fps and a 14MP crop mode to APS-C plus some kind of sRaw at 8MP using raw pixel binning for clean high ISO?

Well, I was hoping those dudes over at Samsung could help out with AF R&D aside from researching sensor tech, though I'm not at all sure who should be experts with AF algorithms. The FPS issue, though, is something Pentax could address. I believe they used to have motor drives that go 4 FPS at least, so they know some about managing shutters and all that with higher FPS counts than they do now. The FPS issue probably rests more on the possibly not-that-fast image processing pipeline Pentax uses (or a smaller buffer) rather than a mechanical limitation.

But I'm not one to shoot much action and sports, anyway, so I'm okay with your idea. Others have need for better performance, though.

whatever7 · 01-05-2009, 06:33 AM

Originally posted by lol101

The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that it would be easier for Pentax to do a high-res, low fps (3-4) FF ala 5DII than a fast AF/high fps APS-C camera ala D300.

Frankly, I think they lack the technical know-how about how to make these uber AF systems because, unlike Canon or Nikon, they just don't have the experience from decades of developing pro AF systems.

Plus it would be more in line with the emphasis Pentax has alway put on IQ before shear performances.
How about a 32MP (same pixel density as K20) weathersealed stabilized FF with 3fps and a 14MP crop mode to APS-C plus some kind of sRaw at 8MP using raw pixel binning for clean high ISO?

32mp is way too high. How can you gaurantee better high ISO if the pixel density is the same as the K20D.

Although that would get a lot of new users into K mount.

01-05-2009, 01:55 AM	#101
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by vinzer I think a lot of working pros who still use a Pentax (shock!) would be plenty happy with a Kxx model with a bigger 100% VF, 5-6 FPS, and faster AF, even if the sensor remains APS-C. Full-frame wishers would never be satisfied until they get the full-frame sensor they wanted, even if the next Kxx has 15 FPS and 100 AF points. The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that it would be easier for Pentax to do a high-res, low fps (3-4) FF ala 5DII than a fast AF/high fps APS-C camera ala D300. Frankly, I think they lack the technical know-how about how to make these uber AF systems because, unlike Canon or Nikon, they just don't have the experience from decades of developing pro AF systems. Plus it would be more in line with the emphasis Pentax has alway put on IQ before shear performances. How about a 32MP (same pixel density as K20) weathersealed stabilized FF with 3fps and a 14MP crop mode to APS-C plus some kind of sRaw at 8MP using raw pixel binning for clean high ISO? Last edited by lol101; 01-05-2009 at 02:07 AM.

01-05-2009, 04:54 AM	#102
Matthew Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hawkesbury Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,896	Hoya is a 3rd-party maker Originally posted by Kunzite Pentax is about to launch a new set of DSLRs and you're asking if they'll become a 3rd-party maker? Yep, just a mad thought. Sorry, folks, as much as you'd like Pentax dead, it ain't gonna happen. Hoya already sells lenses for other brands through the Tokina badge. Same lenses also sold with SMC Pentax badge.

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01-04-2009, 03:43 PM	#91
Graydon Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery Posts: 30	Originally posted by Alfisti This is what $hits me to tears, I even pre-focused where I thought i'd fire the shutter but as soon as I asked the AF to hit the spot it f!@#ing shudders and squarks and carries on like a stuck pig ... everythign except lock focus on a snail like moving target with BUCKETS of contrast to work with. I have to say I'm surprised; I haven't tried wedding photography, but K20D and the FA 77 will lock focus quite rapidly on walking people, sometimes when I'm walking, too. (Yay shake reduction.) I do usually have the ISO range tightly restricted and the focus set on center spot for that, admittedly. If the camera is trying to optimize ISO and shutter, it often can't get the focus lock for long enough before one of the other two changes.

01-04-2009, 03:56 PM	#92
Alfisti Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toronto (for now) Posts: 1,748	Yeah I do the same except I am using the 100D. I'd love a 20D but have this thing about carrying bricks

01-04-2009, 04:21 PM	#93
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by ytterbium Could it be that Pentax starts making their lenses in Canon and Nikon mounts, especially primes and limited's and discontinue their DSLR's. Just a mad thought. Pentax is about to launch a new set of DSLRs and you're asking if they'll become a 3rd-party maker? Yep, just a mad thought. Sorry, folks, as much as you'd like Pentax dead, it ain't gonna happen.

01-04-2009, 04:38 PM	#94
RaduA Guest	Originally posted by Alfisti Yeah I do the same except I am using the 100D. I'd love a 20D but have this thing about carrying bricks What about the K-m then? You'll even use the same batteries you have for the K100D ... Radu

01-04-2009, 04:59 PM	#95
Graydon Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery Posts: 30	Originally posted by Alfisti Yeah I do the same except I am using the 100D. I'd love a 20D but have this thing about carrying bricks Whereas I wouldn't want the K20D to be any smaller. Autofocus is apparently getting better with each new design; presumably the mid-range in the K-m body will be a joy and delight in this respect.

01-04-2009, 05:03 PM	#96
jct us101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 3,793	Even though they're not going to go full frame (even though some of us can hope they were just kidding), something in the range of the 5D and the D700 or the A900 would be great from Pentax. The only problem is that most of the features that it would have are already in the K20D, just not as advanced, but not worthy of such a higher price point.

01-04-2009, 05:13 PM	#97
vinzer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,399	Originally posted by sflights Even though they're not going to go full frame (even though some of us can hope they were just kidding), something in the range of the 5D and the D700 or the A900 would be great from Pentax. The only problem is that most of the features that it would have are already in the K20D, just not as advanced, but not worthy of such a higher price point. I think a lot of working pros who still use a Pentax (shock!) would be plenty happy with a Kxx model with a bigger 100% VF, 5-6 FPS, and faster AF, even if the sensor remains APS-C. Full-frame wishers would never be satisfied until they get the full-frame sensor they wanted, even if the next Kxx has 15 FPS and 100 AF points.

01-04-2009, 05:45 PM	#98
barondla Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: midwest, United States Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,714	Want NightShot night vision like Sony camcorders (especially that first model). Looking thru clothes has niche written all over it. Won't need much advertising. Just hand one to one of the network news shows. Pentax can ask forgiveness later. thanks barondla Check out POINT & SHOOT CONTEST #13 WINNERS in P&S forum. Enter #14. Any brand camera. Ends soon. Enter now!

01-04-2009, 06:10 PM	#99
Alfisti Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toronto (for now) Posts: 1,748	Originally posted by RaduA What about the K-m then? You'll even use the same batteries you have for the K100D ... Radu Sadly they neutered it. I can't select my AF point, no top LCD and a lack of direct buttons. I just want a DS with a Lion battery, revised AF, 3in screen, the 14mp sensor and direct buttons for WB and ISo and i'll shut up forever

01-04-2009, 11:50 PM	#100
thePiRaTE!! Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Calgary, AB Photos: Gallery Posts: 942	Originally posted by vinzer I think a lot of working pros who still use a Pentax (shock!) would be plenty happy with a Kxx model with a bigger 100% VF, 5-6 FPS, and faster AF, even if the sensor remains APS-C. Full-frame wishers would never be satisfied until they get the full-frame sensor they wanted, even if the next Kxx has 15 FPS and 100 AF points. Its true. I think the C, N and S have all caught onto that by making a FF 'budget' model, under their pro lines. K.

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01-05-2009, 05:00 AM	#103
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01-05-2009, 05:48 AM	#104
vinzer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,399	Originally posted by lol101 The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that it would be easier for Pentax to do a high-res, low fps (3-4) FF ala 5DII than a fast AF/high fps APS-C camera ala D300. Frankly, I think they lack the technical know-how about how to make these uber AF systems because, unlike Canon or Nikon, they just don't have the experience from decades of developing pro AF systems. Plus it would be more in line with the emphasis Pentax has alway put on IQ before shear performances. How about a 32MP (same pixel density as K20) weathersealed stabilized FF with 3fps and a 14MP crop mode to APS-C plus some kind of sRaw at 8MP using raw pixel binning for clean high ISO? Well, I was hoping those dudes over at Samsung could help out with AF R&D aside from researching sensor tech, though I'm not at all sure who should be experts with AF algorithms. The FPS issue, though, is something Pentax could address. I believe they used to have motor drives that go 4 FPS at least, so they know some about managing shutters and all that with higher FPS counts than they do now. The FPS issue probably rests more on the possibly not-that-fast image processing pipeline Pentax uses (or a smaller buffer) rather than a mechanical limitation. But I'm not one to shoot much action and sports, anyway, so I'm okay with your idea. Others have need for better performance, though.

01-05-2009, 06:33 AM	#105
whatever7 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 278	Originally posted by lol101 The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that it would be easier for Pentax to do a high-res, low fps (3-4) FF ala 5DII than a fast AF/high fps APS-C camera ala D300. Frankly, I think they lack the technical know-how about how to make these uber AF systems because, unlike Canon or Nikon, they just don't have the experience from decades of developing pro AF systems. Plus it would be more in line with the emphasis Pentax has alway put on IQ before shear performances. How about a 32MP (same pixel density as K20) weathersealed stabilized FF with 3fps and a 14MP crop mode to APS-C plus some kind of sRaw at 8MP using raw pixel binning for clean high ISO? 32mp is way too high. How can you gaurantee better high ISO if the pixel density is the same as the K20D. Although that would get a lot of new users into K mount.