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01-02-2009, 09:56 PM   #1
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so let's assume better AF, more FPS, higher clean ISO and maybe FF

Seems there is a consistent call (whine?) for:

better AF
more FPS
higher clean ISO

and maybe FF

So...let's say Pentax grants your wish and builds you this camera (the K30d). How much are you willing to pay for it. Seriously. Tomorrow. What dollar figure will you plunk down for such a beast assuming it is the real deal? And no "gee, if I won the lottery." Serious buyers.

And if you wouldn't buy it for a reasonable price (consider that the competition is all around $3K for that), do you still want them to build it?

01-02-2009, 10:52 PM   #2
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If I want full frame then I would have jump on the Canon 5D wagon. If Pentax wanted to compete with the big boy on FF then they'd have to release a FF camera for under 2K in order for it to be competitive. And then what about lense.
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Pentax FF at $3K will be a sales disaster. Some Pentax users here should learn that Canon 5D
can be purchased new for $1700 or even less, and 5DMK2 will be selling at $2500 in a month or 2. It is year 2009 , not 2006.
I will pay up to $2K for a decent FF Pentax camera with good low light performance (usable ISO 3200-6400) and accurate AF. FPS is not an issue for me.
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Around $3,000?

5D B&H $1,999 w/ free delivery

5D Mark II $2,699 w/free delivery

D700 $2,319 w/free delivery and sitting in my B&H shopping cart....

taunting me, tempting me....

So why the $3,000 price point?

I agree its 2009 now. The longer Pentax waits the lower the admission price for prosumer full frame goes.

Once I added two brand new 5D in 2008:

$2050 & $1,750

I lost interest in waiting for Pentax to roadmap up some future full frame K Mount dslr talking points.

Whats my Full frame Fantasy?

Before end of this year (2009) I'll likely buy a D700 and 14-24mm 2.8 and then do a head to head comparision between this Nikon Combo and my 5D and 16-35mm 2.8 L II and tamron eos 14mm 2.8. Hopefully the Tamron Eos will prove redundant and I can recoup some bucks from it.


In the meantime when I want to shoot some old K Mount glass I'll grab my K20D. It is an exceptional camera with all my old glass inhand. I wish my 5D had some of its many cool features and weathersealing. I think alot of Pentaxians are overlooking K20D. It is a very nice camera, one I have no problem calling Pentax' Flagship

With Pentax taking just 1.6% of Japan's dslr market share in 2008 it should

"Be Interesting" in 2009 to see what rolls out.

PMA is March 3rd 2009 & all will be revealed, or at least roadmapped:

Just 60 Days Away








QuoteOriginally posted by nostatic Quote
Seems there is a consistent call (whine?) for:

better AF
more FPS
higher clean ISO

and maybe FF

So...let's say Pentax grants your wish and builds you this camera (the K30d). How much are you willing to pay for it. Seriously. Tomorrow. What dollar figure will you plunk down for such a beast assuming it is the real deal? And no "gee, if I won the lottery." Serious buyers.

And if you wouldn't buy it for a reasonable price (consider that the competition is all around $3K for that), do you still want them to build it?


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5D B&H $1,999 w/ free delivery

5D Mark II $2,699 w/free delivery

D700 $2,319 w/free delivery and sitting in my B&H shopping cart....

taunting me, tempting me....

So why the $3,000 price point?

D700 shows $2999 less $300 rebate (which may disappear soon). Maybe you have some secret deal?

5D is an old model so it is heavily discounted.

5DMkII is $2699 and backordered

Sony a900 is $2999

$3K is an arbitrary number I threw out as that is the current MSRP of the main players.

Why are they taunting and tempting you if you've already got 2 FF bodies? I agree that the K20d is a great camera, and gets lost in the FF shuffle by many here.
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Because of the kind of photography I do, all I really care for is better AF, faster and more accurate. Everything else would be a bonus.

Would I go for a FF? Not likely for a few reasons:

1) Pentax would have to (re)develop a full like of new AF/SDM FF lenses for this new FF camera. It could be done, even if they adopt existing lines and 3rd party lenses, but considering how long they've taken to come out with DA and DA* lenses, how much longer would it take to provide a complete line of glass to support this new camera?

They might also have to drop SD cards because even the 133-150X SD cards might not be fast enough to drop massive RAW files at 3-5FPS without quickly choking. Compact Flash cards have UDMA 300X cards, rated at sustained transfers of 45 MB/s. Current SD cards don't even come close.

How long before they drop the current grip and battery in favor of more robust solutions?

2) Need - As much as I would like to have a reason to need a FF camera, I just don't. I do however have 3 film cameras, 2 Canons and a Pentax, that I could always use should the FF bug bite.

3) Price - forget it - I would have to have many more gigs and charge a lot more to be able to afford a whole new system, and my wife will not let me sell myself at the street corner.

4) I just bought the K20D and should be in my grubby paws by next week
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Around 1k would be an ok price for the updated unit, round D300 level, I'd pay that.
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If its announced it wouldn't be announced with the price. Kind of like the A900, all sing and dance for a year until we see an actual preview.

The only over priced Pentax body in the recent year was the K20D, I trust Pentax to have sensible price.

But it won't be announced this year, because its coming Photokina 2010.

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QuoteOriginally posted by whatever7 Quote
If its announced it wouldn't be announced with the price. Kind of like the A900, all sing and dance for a year until we see an actual preview.

The only over priced Pentax body in the recent year was the K20D, I trust Pentax to have sensible price.

But it won't be announced this year, because its coming Photokina 2010.

With Hoya taking over, Pentax have been overpricing every new products they have just, or about to be release: 60-250mm@$1500, DA* 55m F1.4@$800. I had to pickup my jaw looking at those ridiculous prices.
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The street price may be different, you know? Let's wait for the products to reach the market, see what they're capable of, wait (again) for the price to settle down a bit and then say if they are overpriced or not.
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No. It would be a big mistake.
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I'd pay around $800 about 6 months after it's release. (save the FF)

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Put D700 in your shopping cart and see what happens

I don't think I'm getting a magical price. Click D700 into your shopping cart and tell me the price.

My Nikon buddy got his for $2,250. So I'm waiting for price to drift further down. I'm assuming once 5D Mark II is instock everywhere D700 will drop to $2,000 to compete.

As far as 5D MarkII I had it in my shopping cart yesterday morning for a couple hours until it went out of stock again. Its that popular eventhough its priced at $2699 launch. It was (((quite))) tempting, but I've really been drawn toward adding D700 to my system with their 14-24/2.8 instead of 5D Mark II

Let me know if you B&H cart price shows anything different than $2,319 on D700.

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QuoteOriginally posted by nostatic Quote
D700 shows $2999 less $300 rebate (which may disappear soon). Maybe you have some secret deal?

5D is an old model so it is heavily discounted.

5DMkII is $2699 and backordered

Sony a900 is $2999

$3K is an arbitrary number I threw out as that is the current MSRP of the main players.

Why are they taunting and tempting you if you've already got 2 FF bodies? I agree that the K20d is a great camera, and gets lost in the FF shuffle by many here.
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if FF, it has to be under $2K MSRP because it has to come in under the "advanced amateur" segment (it won't be in the pro segment where the 5DmkII and the D3 are), so it'll have to be priced between the D300 and D700 because it's not a "name brand".

If there's no FF, I'd agree w/ $800 street price 6 months after release...probably MSRP between the D90 and D300. Even the 50D is selling for only $1K nowadays...
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QuoteOriginally posted by nostatic Quote
Seems there is a consistent call (whine?) for:

better AF
more FPS
higher clean ISO

and maybe FF

So...let's say Pentax grants your wish and builds you this camera (the K30d). How much are you willing to pay for it. Seriously. Tomorrow. What dollar figure will you plunk down for such a beast assuming it is the real deal? And no "gee, if I won the lottery." Serious buyers.

And if you wouldn't buy it for a reasonable price (consider that the competition is all around $3K for that), do you still want them to build it?
I bought my 5D for €1650 in june.

D700 and 5DMkII will be available for around €2000 by next summer, maybe sooner.

So by the time the (not very likely) Pentax FF arrives, it will be under the €2000 price tag MSRP.

I'll buy my next FF camera (with whatever logo on it) at or under the €1500 price mark (so in 2010 probably...)
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