New dSLR camera body patent?

Red · 01-13-2009, 01:44 PM

Single-lens-reflex digital camera - Patent 7471891

Just published on 12-30-08 under the Hoya name. Looks different than all Pentax bodies I've seen, not that they would have a perfect drawing anyway. But it is interesting.

Abstract:

Quote:

A single-lens-reflex digital camera in which an optical image of an object that is to be photographed via a photographing lens is reflected by a main mirror to be formed on a focusing screen so that the optical image is viewed through a viewfinder while the main mirror is retracted from an optical path of the photographing lens to capture an image of the object by an image pickup device, the single-lens-reflex digital camera includes an electroluminescent display provided on the focusing screen, wherein the electroluminescent display displays at least the object image captured by the image pickup device. The single-lens-reflex digital camera is configured to allow the object image displayed by the electroluminescent display and the optical image formed on the focusing screen to be viewed through the viewfinder.

pingflood · 01-13-2009, 01:47 PM

So it sounds like the viewfinder can both view the optical image and have some sort of "live view" or review functionality via an LCD...

MrApollinax · 01-13-2009, 01:50 PM

Pingflood is correct. From the summary of the patent:

"The present invention provides an SLR camera which is designed and configured to allow a live digital image to be viewed through a viewfinder without employing a complicated structure and without requiring a complicated control for switching between an optical image and a live digital image."

konraDarnok · 01-13-2009, 01:52 PM

Which would be useful for video.

Does the new Canon with video use the viewfinder for filming? Or is it shown on the rear LCD?

TDN · 01-13-2009, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Red

Looks different than all Pentax bodies I've seen, not that they would have a perfect drawing anyway. But it is interesting.

Images are of a *ist D body.

MrApollinax · 01-13-2009, 02:04 PM

Interestingly enough the patent calls out for compensation for lenses with floating stabilizing elements as well.

mk07138 · 01-13-2009, 02:22 PM

I think we should also notice that the filing date is 2006 for the US and 2005 for Japan. The publication date may be 12-30-2008, but according to this link it was filed back a few years ago.

nostatic · 01-13-2009, 02:54 PM

sounds like a G1 to me

stevebrot · 01-13-2009, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by mk07138

I think we should also notice that the filing date is 2006 for the US and 2005 for Japan. The publication date may be 12-30-2008, but according to this link it was filed back a few years ago.

Translation...This is very old news.

Steve

clawhammer · 01-13-2009, 11:24 PM

I remember a similar 'live-view-in-viewfinder' concept was floated around during the rumor mill run-up to the K20.

George Lama · 01-13-2009, 11:58 PM

There's definitely a difference between the patent application date and the patent issue date. Here are others I found doing a quick search. Many of these were just issued by the patent office:

Anti-shake apparatus - US Patent 7477291 Full Text
Optical image stabilizer - US Patent 7477840 Full Text
Manual operational member positioning on rotatable grip of digital camera - US Patent 7477318 Full Text
Pivot shaft mechanism, and a pivot shaft mechanism of a camera for pivoting a rotatable grip on a camera body - US Patent 7477316 Full Text
Remote-control device for digital camera - US Patent 7477293 Full Text

Tons more here
Hoya Corporation - US Patent Assignee - PatentStorm

Philippos · 01-15-2009, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by clawhammer

I remember a similar 'live-view-in-viewfinder' concept was floated around during the rumor mill run-up to the K20.

It wasn't similar. This was the one.

All this stuff and hype like a 17MPx 16:9 sensor and a gazillion other rumoured ultraspecs raised expectations for the K20 so much, that when the K20 was released and it was what it is (an improved K10) many felt dissapointed.

I don't buy this anymore and my advice is never to do so yourself. So far, both the K10 and the K20 have been great cameras but underappreciated just because people got to expect so much because of this never ending rumour mill.

**Douglas_of_Sweden** · 01-15-2009, 08:09 AM

Isn't it quite interresting that Hoya took patent on a DSLR construction back in 2006? They must have had ambitions to go into DSLR production long before they baught Pentax, and yet, it is usually claimed that Hoya baught Pentax mainly for the medical division?!?

**RuiC** · 01-15-2009, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by Douglas_of_Sweden

Isn't it quite interresting that Hoya took patent on a DSLR construction back in 2006? They must have had ambitions to go into DSLR production long before they baught Pentax, and yet, it is usually claimed that Hoya baught Pentax mainly for the medical division?!?

Nope! What happens is that with the acquisition of Pentax by Hoya, all the transfer administrative flow passes through all Patents property reissues with the new owner, so you can check all, but all Pentax patents now are held by Hoya.

regards
Rui

**Douglas_of_Sweden** · 01-15-2009, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by RuiC

Nope! What happens is that with the acquisition of Pentax by Hoya, all the transfer administrative flow passes through all Patents property reissues with the new owner, so you can check all, but all Pentax patents now are held by Hoya.

regards
Rui

So you mean it was first filed by Pentax in 2006 and then published under Hoyas name in 2008 or 2009? How can you see that?

01-13-2009, 01:44 PM	#1
Red Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Suwanee, GA USA Posts: 153	New dSLR camera body patent? Single-lens-reflex digital camera - Patent 7471891 Just published on 12-30-08 under the Hoya name. Looks different than all Pentax bodies I've seen, not that they would have a perfect drawing anyway. But it is interesting. Abstract: Quote: A single-lens-reflex digital camera in which an optical image of an object that is to be photographed via a photographing lens is reflected by a main mirror to be formed on a focusing screen so that the optical image is viewed through a viewfinder while the main mirror is retracted from an optical path of the photographing lens to capture an image of the object by an image pickup device, the single-lens-reflex digital camera includes an electroluminescent display provided on the focusing screen, wherein the electroluminescent display displays at least the object image captured by the image pickup device. The single-lens-reflex digital camera is configured to allow the object image displayed by the electroluminescent display and the optical image formed on the focusing screen to be viewed through the viewfinder.

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01-13-2009, 01:47 PM	#2
pingflood Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Borås, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,169	So it sounds like the viewfinder can both view the optical image and have some sort of "live view" or review functionality via an LCD...

01-13-2009, 01:50 PM	#3
MrApollinax Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Minnesota Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,529	Pingflood is correct. From the summary of the patent: "The present invention provides an SLR camera which is designed and configured to allow a live digital image to be viewed through a viewfinder without employing a complicated structure and without requiring a complicated control for switching between an optical image and a live digital image."

01-13-2009, 01:52 PM	#4
konraDarnok Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Photos: Albums Posts: 969	Which would be useful for video. Does the new Canon with video use the viewfinder for filming? Or is it shown on the rear LCD?

01-13-2009, 01:59 PM	#5
TDN Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Gallery Posts: 96	Originally posted by Red Looks different than all Pentax bodies I've seen, not that they would have a perfect drawing anyway. But it is interesting. Images are of a *ist D body.

01-13-2009, 02:04 PM	#6
MrApollinax Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Minnesota Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,529	Interestingly enough the patent calls out for compensation for lenses with floating stabilizing elements as well.

01-13-2009, 02:22 PM	#7
mk07138 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Frostburg Maryland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 151	I think we should also notice that the filing date is 2006 for the US and 2005 for Japan. The publication date may be 12-30-2008, but according to this link it was filed back a few years ago.

01-13-2009, 02:54 PM	#8
nostatic Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: socal Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,575	sounds like a G1 to me

01-13-2009, 02:58 PM	#9
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by mk07138 I think we should also notice that the filing date is 2006 for the US and 2005 for Japan. The publication date may be 12-30-2008, but according to this link it was filed back a few years ago. Translation...This is very old news. Steve

01-13-2009, 11:24 PM	#10
clawhammer Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Logan, Utah Photos: Gallery Posts: 971	I remember a similar 'live-view-in-viewfinder' concept was floated around during the rumor mill run-up to the K20.

01-13-2009, 11:58 PM	#11
George Lama Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Buffalo/Rochester, NY Photos: Albums Posts: 1,133	There's definitely a difference between the patent application date and the patent issue date. Here are others I found doing a quick search. Many of these were just issued by the patent office: Anti-shake apparatus - US Patent 7477291 Full Text Optical image stabilizer - US Patent 7477840 Full Text Manual operational member positioning on rotatable grip of digital camera - US Patent 7477318 Full Text Pivot shaft mechanism, and a pivot shaft mechanism of a camera for pivoting a rotatable grip on a camera body - US Patent 7477316 Full Text Remote-control device for digital camera - US Patent 7477293 Full Text Tons more here Hoya Corporation - US Patent Assignee - PatentStorm

01-15-2009, 06:54 AM	#12
Philippos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Volos - Greece Posts: 178	Originally posted by clawhammer I remember a similar 'live-view-in-viewfinder' concept was floated around during the rumor mill run-up to the K20. It wasn't similar. This was the one. All this stuff and hype like a 17MPx 16:9 sensor and a gazillion other rumoured ultraspecs raised expectations for the K20 so much, that when the K20 was released and it was what it is (an improved K10) many felt dissapointed. I don't buy this anymore and my advice is never to do so yourself. So far, both the K10 and the K20 have been great cameras but underappreciated just because people got to expect so much because of this never ending rumour mill.

01-15-2009, 08:09 AM	#13
Douglas_of_Sweden Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Stockholm Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,374	Isn't it quite interresting that Hoya took patent on a DSLR construction back in 2006? They must have had ambitions to go into DSLR production long before they baught Pentax, and yet, it is usually claimed that Hoya baught Pentax mainly for the medical division?!?

01-15-2009, 08:28 AM	#14
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by Douglas_of_Sweden Isn't it quite interresting that Hoya took patent on a DSLR construction back in 2006? They must have had ambitions to go into DSLR production long before they baught Pentax, and yet, it is usually claimed that Hoya baught Pentax mainly for the medical division?!? Nope! What happens is that with the acquisition of Pentax by Hoya, all the transfer administrative flow passes through all Patents property reissues with the new owner, so you can check all, but all Pentax patents now are held by Hoya. regards Rui

01-15-2009, 08:32 AM	#15
Douglas_of_Sweden Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Stockholm Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,374	Originally posted by RuiC Nope! What happens is that with the acquisition of Pentax by Hoya, all the transfer administrative flow passes through all Patents property reissues with the new owner, so you can check all, but all Pentax patents now are held by Hoya. regards Rui So you mean it was first filed by Pentax in 2006 and then published under Hoyas name in 2008 or 2009? How can you see that?