Will Pentax release any entry-level, weather sealed lenses?

EricT · 01-31-2009, 12:17 PM

If Pentax wants to position themselves as an "outdoor" brand, wouldn't it make sense to have some weather-sealed lenses in the lower price ranges as well? Of course they would need to be a bit more expensive than the current kit lenses, but without SDM, and with slower/variable aperture, I believe the price could still be reasonable.
Weather-sealing is a big part of the reason why I chose Pentax in the first place, but all the issues with the DA* 16-50 (especially on the K10D, which I have) makes me hesitant to invest in it. I would be all over a cheaper weather-sealed lens.

Maybe I should start saving for the upcoming DA* 30, should be easier to make a decent prime lens design.

Jonson PL · 01-31-2009, 12:39 PM

Weathersealing lenses are often reserved for top quality and fast lenses, which are usually expensive to begin with. 17-70/4 should have a bit around the mount, but else it will be reserved for f/2.8 zooms and STAR primes.
Entry-level lenses cannot be priced competitively, if they should incorporate sealing. Many top quality Nikon lenses are not sealed, and even some Canon L lenses neither, and no Sony lenses. So just having it available; is a big plus.

Lower quality lenses are not built with the same tight tolerances, so not sure it would be possible.

stevebrot · 01-31-2009, 12:39 PM

Probably not entry level.

It should be noted that the DA* lenses are actually pretty moderately-priced for pro-quality glass. Compare prices to similar weather-sealed offerings from the competition and you will feel fortunate to have purchased Pentax.

Steve

(Still too poor to own any * glass...)

**GaryM** · 01-31-2009, 01:12 PM

Keep in mind that a sealed body is a good thing to have, even with an un-sealed lens. There are a lot more electronics in a body than a lens, and more entry points too.

frogger · 01-31-2009, 01:12 PM

For the most part, the pro level glass from competitors is designed to work on full frame as well, which requires higher quality optics for best results?

er1kksen · 01-31-2009, 01:14 PM

I'm hoping for it. The Olympus mid-lower tier normal zoom, the 14-54 2.8-3.5, is weathersealed and going for under $400, and their other mid-tier lenses (and obviously their upper-level lenses) are all weathersealed to an excellent degree. It's not as if it can't be done.

I fully believe that an entry-level weathersealed lens could be priced competitively because it would be in a seperate mini-class of its own: If they made a sealed version of the current kit lens I bet they could sell it just fine at ~$150.

lol101 · 01-31-2009, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by EricT

If Pentax wants to position themselves as an "outdoor" brand, wouldn't it make sense to have some weather-sealed lenses in the lower price ranges as well? Of course they would need to be a bit more expensive than the current kit lenses, but without SDM, and with slower/variable aperture, I believe the price could still be reasonable.
Weather-sealing is a big part of the reason why I chose Pentax in the first place, but all the issues with the DA* 16-50 (especially on the K10D, which I have) makes me hesitant to invest in it. I would be all over a cheaper weather-sealed lens.

Maybe I should start saving for the upcoming DA* 30, should be easier to make a decent prime lens design.

What I am hoping for is good quality, reasonably priced primes: not "limited" nor DA*... just "normal" lenses for the average Joe who wants quality but no fancy stuff.... just like 90% of the old FA primes used to be.

NorthPentax · 01-31-2009, 02:35 PM

Weather sealing is great and it costs.

I would rather see all zoom lenses buildt like the DA*50-135mm without the "*".
It has to be possible to make 16-50/2.8 and 17-70/4 with IF and "IZ"= innerzoom.
Don't know what they call it?
If there's no part of the lens that moves in or out and have the same dimension at 16mm and 50mm, then it's easy to weatherseal it yourself with a lenscover or some plastic.

DA 17-70mm f/4 and DA*50-135mm f/2.8

Almost identical in size.

EricT · 01-31-2009, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by lol101

What I am hoping for is good quality, reasonably priced primes: not "limited" nor DA*... just "normal" lenses for the average Joe who wants quality but no fancy stuff.... just like 90% of the old FA primes used to be.

Don't you think that the average Joe probably prefers zooms? But I agree that decent quality, weather-sealed primes would be great!

EricT · 01-31-2009, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Probably not entry level.

It should be noted that the DA* lenses are actually pretty moderately-priced for pro-quality glass. Compare prices to similar weather-sealed offerings from the competition and you will feel fortunate to have purchased Pentax.

Steve

(Still too poor to own any * glass...)

This is true. For instance the Nikon 17-55 has similar features to the 16-50 and costs $1200, compared to $700.
However, I'd like to see some lower-quality glass in a weather-sealed design, if that makes sense...say a 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6, without SDM. But it may confuse buyers, and attract them away from the higher-end glass, I guess. Currently, SDM and weather-sealing is the only thing that separates the 16-50 from the Tamron 17-50, for instance, which is a lot cheaper.

whatever7 · 01-31-2009, 04:53 PM

That goes against Pentax's 1) compact 2) rockbottom entry level bodies principles that have been with Pentax for decades and decades, much longer than this weather sealed bulletin point.

Fototim · 01-31-2009, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by Jonson PL

Weathersealing lenses are often reserved for top quality and fast lenses, which are usually expensive to begin with. 17-70/4 should have a bit around the mount, but else it will be reserved for f/2.8 zooms and STAR primes.

Is there a law against a light and compact, sealed, silent * lenses?

Something in the line of a 20-50/4 would be nice I think, probably considerably less expensive than the 16-50/2,8. Should be doable with 58mm filter size, and weight under 300-350g.

I have the 16-50, it is nice, but it is a big lump of glass. IMO to hefty for hiking.

Acliffalay · 02-01-2009, 12:20 PM

I would love them to make a 18-135mm sealed lens with SDM as a multipurpose travel lens, so I could use it along side the 30mm da*.
In fact, given that I live in the UK, regardless of going on holiday a weather sealed lens in my budget would be great!

axl · 02-02-2009, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by lol101

What I am hoping for is good quality, reasonably priced primes: not "limited" nor DA*... just "normal" lenses for the average Joe who wants quality but no fancy stuff.... just like 90% of the old FA primes used to be.

Totaly agree here!
I'm fed up with DA* and ltd lenses being the only new options from Pentax! FAs were/are good but their availability in UK is poor. You only can get 35/2 and 50/1.4. Every new prime released or planned for APS-C is * or ltd. I know they are great but I can't really justify such expenses on my hobby!
It would really be great to be able to buy DA prime for normal price...
BR

Eruditass · 07-17-2009, 11:26 AM

what are the advantages / shortcomings of a system where one has a weather-resistant body but not weather-resistant lens, and also a non weather-sealed body (km) and weather-resistant lens when compared to a completely resistant and a non-resistant system?

01-31-2009, 12:17 PM	#1
EricT Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 484	Will Pentax release any entry-level, weather sealed lenses? If Pentax wants to position themselves as an "outdoor" brand, wouldn't it make sense to have some weather-sealed lenses in the lower price ranges as well? Of course they would need to be a bit more expensive than the current kit lenses, but without SDM, and with slower/variable aperture, I believe the price could still be reasonable. Weather-sealing is a big part of the reason why I chose Pentax in the first place, but all the issues with the DA* 16-50 (especially on the K10D, which I have) makes me hesitant to invest in it. I would be all over a cheaper weather-sealed lens. Maybe I should start saving for the upcoming DA* 30, should be easier to make a decent prime lens design.

01-31-2009, 02:35 PM	#8
NorthPentax Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: No(r)way Photos: Gallery Posts: 179	Weather sealing is great and it costs. I would rather see all zoom lenses buildt like the DA50-135mm without the "". It has to be possible to make 16-50/2.8 and 17-70/4 with IF and "IZ"= innerzoom. Don't know what they call it? If there's no part of the lens that moves in or out and have the same dimension at 16mm and 50mm, then it's easy to weatherseal it yourself with a lenscover or some plastic. DA 17-70mm f/4 and DA50-135mm f/2.8 Almost identical in size. Last edited by NorthPentax; 01-31-2009 at 04:36 PM.*

01-31-2009, 06:21 PM	#12
Fototim Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 268	Originally posted by Jonson PL Weathersealing lenses are often reserved for top quality and fast lenses, which are usually expensive to begin with. 17-70/4 should have a bit around the mount, but else it will be reserved for f/2.8 zooms and STAR primes. Is there a law against a light and compact, sealed, silent * lenses? Something in the line of a 20-50/4 would be nice I think, probably considerably less expensive than the 16-50/2,8. Should be doable with 58mm filter size, and weight under 300-350g. I have the 16-50, it is nice, but it is a big lump of glass. IMO to hefty for hiking. Last edited by Fototim; 02-02-2009 at 06:38 AM.

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01-31-2009, 12:39 PM	#2
Jonson PL Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Copenhagen Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,842	Weathersealing lenses are often reserved for top quality and fast lenses, which are usually expensive to begin with. 17-70/4 should have a bit around the mount, but else it will be reserved for f/2.8 zooms and STAR primes. Entry-level lenses cannot be priced competitively, if they should incorporate sealing. Many top quality Nikon lenses are not sealed, and even some Canon L lenses neither, and no Sony lenses. So just having it available; is a big plus. Lower quality lenses are not built with the same tight tolerances, so not sure it would be possible.

01-31-2009, 12:39 PM	#3
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Probably not entry level. It should be noted that the DA* lenses are actually pretty moderately-priced for pro-quality glass. Compare prices to similar weather-sealed offerings from the competition and you will feel fortunate to have purchased Pentax. Steve (Still too poor to own any * glass...)

01-31-2009, 01:12 PM	#4
GaryM Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Montclair, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 426	Keep in mind that a sealed body is a good thing to have, even with an un-sealed lens. There are a lot more electronics in a body than a lens, and more entry points too.

01-31-2009, 01:12 PM	#5
frogger Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto, ON, CA Posts: 162	For the most part, the pro level glass from competitors is designed to work on full frame as well, which requires higher quality optics for best results?

01-31-2009, 01:14 PM	#6
er1kksen Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Forestville, NY Photos: Albums Posts: 1,801	I'm hoping for it. The Olympus mid-lower tier normal zoom, the 14-54 2.8-3.5, is weathersealed and going for under $400, and their other mid-tier lenses (and obviously their upper-level lenses) are all weathersealed to an excellent degree. It's not as if it can't be done. I fully believe that an entry-level weathersealed lens could be priced competitively because it would be in a seperate mini-class of its own: If they made a sealed version of the current kit lens I bet they could sell it just fine at ~$150.

01-31-2009, 02:34 PM	#7
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by EricT If Pentax wants to position themselves as an "outdoor" brand, wouldn't it make sense to have some weather-sealed lenses in the lower price ranges as well? Of course they would need to be a bit more expensive than the current kit lenses, but without SDM, and with slower/variable aperture, I believe the price could still be reasonable. Weather-sealing is a big part of the reason why I chose Pentax in the first place, but all the issues with the DA* 16-50 (especially on the K10D, which I have) makes me hesitant to invest in it. I would be all over a cheaper weather-sealed lens. Maybe I should start saving for the upcoming DA* 30, should be easier to make a decent prime lens design. What I am hoping for is good quality, reasonably priced primes: not "limited" nor DA*... just "normal" lenses for the average Joe who wants quality but no fancy stuff.... just like 90% of the old FA primes used to be.

01-31-2009, 03:37 PM	#9
EricT Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 484 Original Poster	Originally posted by lol101 What I am hoping for is good quality, reasonably priced primes: not "limited" nor DA*... just "normal" lenses for the average Joe who wants quality but no fancy stuff.... just like 90% of the old FA primes used to be. Don't you think that the average Joe probably prefers zooms? But I agree that decent quality, weather-sealed primes would be great!

01-31-2009, 03:46 PM	#10
EricT Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 484 Original Poster	Originally posted by stevebrot Probably not entry level. It should be noted that the DA* lenses are actually pretty moderately-priced for pro-quality glass. Compare prices to similar weather-sealed offerings from the competition and you will feel fortunate to have purchased Pentax. Steve (Still too poor to own any * glass...) This is true. For instance the Nikon 17-55 has similar features to the 16-50 and costs $1200, compared to $700. However, I'd like to see some lower-quality glass in a weather-sealed design, if that makes sense...say a 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6, without SDM. But it may confuse buyers, and attract them away from the higher-end glass, I guess. Currently, SDM and weather-sealing is the only thing that separates the 16-50 from the Tamron 17-50, for instance, which is a lot cheaper.

01-31-2009, 04:53 PM	#11
whatever7 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 278	That goes against Pentax's 1) compact 2) rockbottom entry level bodies principles that have been with Pentax for decades and decades, much longer than this weather sealed bulletin point.

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Acliffalay Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southampton UK Posts: 80	I would love them to make a 18-135mm sealed lens with SDM as a multipurpose travel lens, so I could use it along side the 30mm da*. In fact, given that I live in the UK, regardless of going on holiday a weather sealed lens in my budget would be great!

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02-02-2009, 03:57 AM	#14
axl Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nove Zamky, Slovakia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,183	Originally posted by lol101 What I am hoping for is good quality, reasonably priced primes: not "limited" nor DA... just "normal" lenses for the average Joe who wants quality but no fancy stuff.... just like 90% of the old FA primes used to be. Totaly agree here! I'm fed up with DA and ltd lenses being the only new options from Pentax! FAs were/are good but their availability in UK is poor. You only can get 35/2 and 50/1.4. Every new prime released or planned for APS-C is * or ltd. I know they are great but I can't really justify such expenses on my hobby! It would really be great to be able to buy DA prime for normal price... BR

07-17-2009, 11:26 AM	#15
Eruditass Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,207	what are the advantages / shortcomings of a system where one has a weather-resistant body but not weather-resistant lens, and also a non weather-sealed body (km) and weather-resistant lens when compared to a completely resistant and a non-resistant system?