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02-10-2009, 06:10 PM   #1
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FF still too early for Pentax

Noticed this at dpreview regarding a Nikon interview:
Robert Cristina offers some context: "The main target is D40/D60/D90 owners. They make up 80% of our DSLR sales and there wasn't really an inexpensive prime lens for them. So far, the lens offering for that market has included some really good zooms, but this offers them something they were missing.".................."DX is not over," Drean says: "we plan to increase the offering. The prime lenses were definitely something that was missing."

35mm F1.8 for DX? What is Nikon up to?: Digital Photography Review
Food for thought or arguement.......

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ok a moth ago this lens might have make me buy a Nikon
still I doubt its going to be anything near my 31mm ha ha

sure they have 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 that we don't.

its the last time I am going writ about my wish for a good Pentax zooms/ sorry about that just hoping that some one that makes the decisions will see that and maybe maybe make a change

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I fail to see why Nikon offering a crop sensor lens has anything to do with Pentax producing a FF sensor camera.
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I'm impressed with the $199 launch price

Here's some more info on it and some pixs via D3 full frame and a lessor DX dslr. From my favorite nikon rumor site. They had it as a rumor last week, if you scroll down.

The $199 launch price will make it a must have for alot of those dx aps-c dslr owners.

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QuoteOriginally posted by redpigeons Quote
ok a moth ago this lens might have make me buy a Nikon
still I doubt its going to be anything near my 31mm ha ha

sure they have 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 that we don't.

its the last time I am going writ about my wish for a good Pentax zooms/ sorry about that just hoping that some one that makes the decisions will see that and maybe maybe make a change


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QuoteOriginally posted by KungPOW Quote
I fail to see why Nikon offering a crop sensor lens has anything to do with Pentax producing a FF sensor camera.
Here's a hint: it has to do with Nikon saying that 'crop sensor' cameras make up 80% of their sales. And they weren't even including the D300.
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is there any glass, or is the whole thing plastic?
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QuoteOriginally posted by GaryM Quote
Here's a hint: it has to do with Nikon saying that 'crop sensor' cameras make up 80% of their sales. And they weren't even including the D300.

and Olympus sells 100% 4/3....

For a company to sell 80% aps-c, stange they would have 3 models out of 9 that are FF.
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QuoteOriginally posted by nostatic Quote
is there any glass, or is the whole thing plastic?
and I heard the barrels are made from recycles Coke bottles and AA batteries.

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QuoteOriginally posted by KungPOW Quote
and Olympus sells 100% 4/3....

For a company to sell 80% aps-c, stange they would have 3 models out of 9 that are FF.


and crop sensors make up 100% of pentax dslr sales...



i also fail to see what the OP has to do with pentax and FF !!???
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I guess it means that for now crop frame still controlling the market so new crop lenses still coming out.
that is if you trust the camera manufactures. as I see it they just as much can sell us these lenses now and next year new lenses. we are not going to get a break for our pockets any time soon.
we choose a damn of a hobby
for those of you that doing this for a living good luck
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That Nikon lens is just simply affordable. Really tempting to own one for 199 US dollars.

But the sample images are not that encouraging though...

Pentax does not have to go FF. As long as there is good noise control with the pentax colour and contrast in its image rendering. Sensor size not that important. I have yet seen a bokeh that is really stunning simple because the image was taken on a FF.
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QuoteOriginally posted by KungPOW Quote
For a company to sell 80% aps-c, stange they would have 3 models out of 9 that are FF.
Not really. The FF cameras are targeted at the pro market. APS-C cameras will continue to sell much better because most people don't need a pro body, and even though most want them, they aren't nearly as affordable. The pro/rich amateur market will never be as large as the regular old hobbyist market, and Nikon addresses that with APS-C cameras, and now affordable primes aimed at use on that format.

Plus, from what I know the D3x is essentially the same camera as the D3 with a new sensor and some other minor improvements. So, it's not like they invested a lot in R&D, yet they charge $3000, or something like that, more than they do for the D3.

On the topic at hand, I don't think this announcement says anything about the future of Pentax product design. It does seem to reinforce the idea that APS-C will not doom them, and FF is not the only option for staying afloat in the DSLR market.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Votesh Quote
Not really. The FF cameras are targeted at the pro market. APS-C cameras will continue to sell much better because most people don't need a pro body, and even though most want them, they aren't nearly as affordable.
I am highly skeptical that "most want them". Most people I talk to want a small camera. Even the K2000 is too big.
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and crop sensors make up 100% of pentax dslr sales...



i also fail to see what the OP has to do with pentax and FF !!???
What financial basis is there to sell (if lucky) 10% of your 5% market share?
10,000,000 DSLR's sold 08. For the sake of argument Nikon has 50% market share.
AT BEST they sell 1 mil FF cameras, and I would bet it is closer to 500000 at most.
Pentax sells 300000 cameras, at best that would be 60,000 FF. There is little economic sense to start a ff line....
even in good economic times.........
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NPICS1/cipa.press090127_e.pdf
12,510 est of how many nikon D700's were sold in Japan in 08.


Seems most of this is a repeat of the "vote FF" thread. Sorry people for subjecting you to this reality again

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I was debating putting this link up as well, then thought about the 80% *of sales* number.
It's not 80% *of profit* which would be a much more interesting number...
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