Rumour: K3D, 22 Mp, square sensor

Mister Guy · 02-21-2009, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

Only if you shoot with your lens off.

But now I understand why Pentax has put a new accessory on their Japanese web site: A blender / food processor with a K-mount bayonet where the knives ought to be. So, they must be serious about it!

Actually no, a whirling sensor like that would be the ultimate in "in body stabilization". With enough weight to it, it'd have a gyroscopic effect of resisting any movement, making it stabilization that actually stabilized the body!

Kameraten · 02-22-2009, 09:48 AM

I'm a little surprised that the obvious point about the square having to be less than 23x23 to fit in the circle didn't come up earlier. Maybe worried

But let's not forget that the square picture would not be the only output. There would be at least three formats to choose from without flipping the camera, I can easily see how there could be five. Or six – why not have a circle? Fisheyes have been doing those all the time.
I could also see that at least a raw shooter would have the option to choose the format while post processing.
If you combine this with probably doing away with the pentaprism entirely and thus not having to worry about the bigger mirror etc – I think it looks quite feasible. If it has an improved AF-system I will get one.

pingflood · 02-22-2009, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Kameraten

I'm a little surprised that the obvious point about the square having to be less than 23x23 to fit in the circle didn't come up earlier. Maybe worried

But let's not forget that the square picture would not be the only output. There would be at least three formats to choose from without flipping the camera, I can easily see how there could be five. Or six – why not have a circle? Fisheyes have been doing those all the time.
I could also see that at least a raw shooter would have the option to choose the format while post processing.
If you combine this with probably doing away with the pentaprism entirely and thus not having to worry about the bigger mirror etc – I think it looks quite feasible. If it has an improved AF-system I will get one.

IMHO using anything less than the entire sensor is doing yourself a disservice. It's like the stupid APS cameras where the 'panoramic' mode did nothing but crop out useful negative area.

jct us101 · 02-23-2009, 01:34 AM

I'm so confused, is this still a current rumor or not?

awo425 · 02-23-2009, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by jct us101

I'm so confused, is this still a current rumor or not?

I don't think it was ever a rumor, just somebody's wish.

designinme_1976 · 02-26-2009, 11:43 PM

This is my first post, but I have to chime in on this. I think a square sensor would be horrible. Square format is boring, less dynamic than rectangular. If all of your photos were in square.. you would soon be cropping them to some for of a rectangle to produce a more dynamic image. Go to an art gallery, tell me how man paintings you see that are a perfect square? There is a reason for that..

Kameraten · 02-27-2009, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by designinme_1976

If all of your photos were in square.. you would soon be cropping them

Yes, but the sensor could nevertheless be square. Throwing away some of the pixels is no worse than throwing away some of the image circle. The advantage would be the possibility to switch to portrait without flipping the camera.
A whole lot of the most demanding pictures for magazines and private customers too are in portrait format. To be able to get them with the camera in the most practical position would be great.
And if you think this would be a terrible feature to have, you could just never use it

elkarrde · 02-27-2009, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by designinme_1976

Go to an art gallery, tell me how man paintings you see that are a perfect square? There is a reason for that..

on the other side, go to a photography gallery, you'll see a lots of perfect square photos. there is a reason for that - the most of medium format cameras are shooting in square 6×6 cm format.

eurostar · 02-27-2009, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by Kameraten

Yes, but the sensor could nevertheless be square. Throwing away some of the pixels is no worse than throwing away some of the image circle. The advantage would be the possibility to switch to portrait without flipping the camera.

Sure, but the problem is that you have to pay for a portion of the sensor that gets no use.

frank · 02-27-2009, 02:28 AM

Heard there would be at least a new camera to update K20D in the Summer, but probably won't be called as K30D

ewalk · 02-27-2009, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by frank

Heard there would be at least a new camera to update K20D in the Summer, but probably won't be called as K30D

Well, if they add video, better AF, and slightly better ISO performance, I'm not sure if that would warrant a new name - it's like a K20 Super

ftpaddict · 02-27-2009, 03:18 AM

Originally posted by ewalk

Well, if they add video, better AF, and slightly better ISO performance, I'm not sure if that would warrant a new name - it's like a K20 Super

If it includes an upgraded sensor, new AF chips and video functions, it's is very worthy of the K30D moniker.

soccerjoe5 · 02-27-2009, 03:32 AM

I sure hope they add:

1. Better LCD like the ones being used in the new Samsung P&S cameras
2. HDMI output for studio work
3. Maybe a faster output for shooting tethered? It's so slow when I shoot with the Pentax Remote Assistant
4. Backlit buttons. That's such an outdoor thing, perfect for Pentax. If they can do it on the E-620 I believe a K30D should have it.
5. Usual stuff: Faster AF, FPS, Better ISO
6. More responsive user interface. While it's a small thing, taking 3-4 seconds after a shot to see the shot on the LCD is a big thing when shooting hundreds of portraits
7. Better Flash sync speed
8. Bigger VF please (big VFs are just awesome)

I personally wouldn't mind skipping video to keep the cost down, but video would be very neat.

madisonphotogrl · 02-27-2009, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by jeffkrol

Nikon is over to the right of Panasonic...
Square sensor...hmmmmm

Where is the PMA? Is it in WI?

jeffkrol · 02-27-2009, 11:45 AM

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02-22-2009, 09:48 AM	#122
Kameraten Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 214	Not a bad idea at all I'm a little surprised that the obvious point about the square having to be less than 23x23 to fit in the circle didn't come up earlier. Maybe worried But let's not forget that the square picture would not be the only output. There would be at least three formats to choose from without flipping the camera, I can easily see how there could be five. Or six – why not have a circle? Fisheyes have been doing those all the time. I could also see that at least a raw shooter would have the option to choose the format while post processing. If you combine this with probably doing away with the pentaprism entirely and thus not having to worry about the bigger mirror etc – I think it looks quite feasible. If it has an improved AF-system I will get one.

02-26-2009, 11:43 PM	#126
designinme_1976 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dayton Ohio Posts: 132	Square sensor This is my first post, but I have to chime in on this. I think a square sensor would be horrible. Square format is boring, less dynamic than rectangular. If all of your photos were in square.. you would soon be cropping them to some for of a rectangle to produce a more dynamic image. Go to an art gallery, tell me how man paintings you see that are a perfect square? There is a reason for that..

02-27-2009, 12:49 AM	#127
Kameraten Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 214	From a square Originally posted by designinme_1976 If all of your photos were in square.. you would soon be cropping them Yes, but the sensor could nevertheless be square. Throwing away some of the pixels is no worse than throwing away some of the image circle. The advantage would be the possibility to switch to portrait without flipping the camera. A whole lot of the most demanding pictures for magazines and private customers too are in portrait format. To be able to get them with the camera in the most practical position would be great. And if you think this would be a terrible feature to have, you could just never use it

02-27-2009, 11:45 AM	#135
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02-21-2009, 07:15 AM	#121
Mister Guy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 244	Originally posted by falconeye Only if you shoot with your lens off. But now I understand why Pentax has put a new accessory on their Japanese web site: A blender / food processor with a K-mount bayonet where the knives ought to be. So, they must be serious about it! Actually no, a whirling sensor like that would be the ultimate in "in body stabilization". With enough weight to it, it'd have a gyroscopic effect of resisting any movement, making it stabilization that actually stabilized the body!

02-22-2009, 10:18 AM	#123
pingflood Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Borås, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,169	Originally posted by Kameraten I'm a little surprised that the obvious point about the square having to be less than 23x23 to fit in the circle didn't come up earlier. Maybe worried But let's not forget that the square picture would not be the only output. There would be at least three formats to choose from without flipping the camera, I can easily see how there could be five. Or six – why not have a circle? Fisheyes have been doing those all the time. I could also see that at least a raw shooter would have the option to choose the format while post processing. If you combine this with probably doing away with the pentaprism entirely and thus not having to worry about the bigger mirror etc – I think it looks quite feasible. If it has an improved AF-system I will get one. IMHO using anything less than the entire sensor is doing yourself a disservice. It's like the stupid APS cameras where the 'panoramic' mode did nothing but crop out useful negative area.

02-23-2009, 01:34 AM	#124
jct us101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 3,793	I'm so confused, is this still a current rumor or not?

02-23-2009, 08:59 AM	#125
awo425 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 481	Originally posted by jct us101 I'm so confused, is this still a current rumor or not? I don't think it was ever a rumor, just somebody's wish.

02-27-2009, 01:48 AM	#128
elkarrde Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Zagreb, Croatia Posts: 387	Originally posted by designinme_1976 Go to an art gallery, tell me how man paintings you see that are a perfect square? There is a reason for that.. on the other side, go to a photography gallery, you'll see a lots of perfect square photos. there is a reason for that - the most of medium format cameras are shooting in square 6×6 cm format.

02-27-2009, 02:06 AM	#129
eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	Originally posted by Kameraten Yes, but the sensor could nevertheless be square. Throwing away some of the pixels is no worse than throwing away some of the image circle. The advantage would be the possibility to switch to portrait without flipping the camera. Sure, but the problem is that you have to pay for a portion of the sensor that gets no use.

02-27-2009, 02:28 AM	#130
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202	Heard there would be at least a new camera to update K20D in the Summer, but probably won't be called as K30D

02-27-2009, 02:48 AM	#131
ewalk Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 316	Originally posted by frank Heard there would be at least a new camera to update K20D in the Summer, but probably won't be called as K30D Well, if they add video, better AF, and slightly better ISO performance, I'm not sure if that would warrant a new name - it's like a K20 Super

02-27-2009, 03:18 AM	#132
ftpaddict Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yurp Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,666	Originally posted by ewalk Well, if they add video, better AF, and slightly better ISO performance, I'm not sure if that would warrant a new name - it's like a K20 Super If it includes an upgraded sensor, new AF chips and video functions, it's is very worthy of the K30D moniker.

02-27-2009, 03:32 AM	#133
soccerjoe5 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,343	I sure hope they add: 1. Better LCD like the ones being used in the new Samsung P&S cameras 2. HDMI output for studio work 3. Maybe a faster output for shooting tethered? It's so slow when I shoot with the Pentax Remote Assistant 4. Backlit buttons. That's such an outdoor thing, perfect for Pentax. If they can do it on the E-620 I believe a K30D should have it. 5. Usual stuff: Faster AF, FPS, Better ISO 6. More responsive user interface. While it's a small thing, taking 3-4 seconds after a shot to see the shot on the LCD is a big thing when shooting hundreds of portraits 7. Better Flash sync speed 8. Bigger VF please (big VFs are just awesome) I personally wouldn't mind skipping video to keep the cost down, but video would be very neat.

02-27-2009, 09:38 AM	#134
madisonphotogrl Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 270	Originally posted by jeffkrol Nikon is over to the right of Panasonic... Square sensor...hmmmmm Where is the PMA? Is it in WI?