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Kunzite · 02-24-2009, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by deejjjaaaa

but look how Oly can adjust AF (in a consumer level camera) and compare it w/ Pentax... nice job, Oly !

Well, it looks like Olympus had learned from Pentax - as Pentax was first to introduce this feature into an affordable camera, yes, I'm talking about the K20D. Olympus followed with the E30 and now with the E620.
Nice job, Pentax!

ogl · 02-24-2009, 07:43 AM

Fine tuning for zooms and for each AF point are better than K20D's AF adjustment.

To say honest - Olympus can offer better AF, better stabilization, better AF adjustment, fast contrast AF in LV.

Pentax can't offer it now. Wait PMA.

Jasvox · 02-24-2009, 07:59 AM

I stand by my statement about the Oly E620...nothing about it turns me on. Sure the little features are "wow", but the only thing that is impressive is the AF adjustment...but still nothing to make me think for a split second about wanting one.

Jason

Steelski · 02-24-2009, 08:06 AM

Sounds to me like noone here knows how tedious lens adjustment for all 7 sensors would be. That is really a job for a manufacturer to fine tune. All I forsee are people not being able to fine tune it and really messing up the whole process.
It would hoowever be feasable if fine tuning was able to do it itself.
Like having it implemented in LV.
The camera focuses using phase detection, on a tripod, then it switches itself to LV and adjusts to the sharpest point and calculates itself how much of an adjustment should be made.

ogl · 02-24-2009, 08:14 AM

We say not about switch to E620. We say - Pentax, pay attention!!!

whatever7 · 02-24-2009, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Steelski

Sounds to me like noone here knows how tedious lens adjustment for all 7 sensors would be. That is really a job for a manufacturer to fine tune. All I forsee are people not being able to fine tune it and really messing up the whole process.
It would hoowever be feasable if fine tuning was able to do it itself.
Like having it implemented in LV.
The camera focuses using phase detection, on a tripod, then it switches itself to LV and adjusts to the sharpest point and calculates itself how much of an adjustment should be made.

That's a great idea. If the sensor can do liveview, it should have the hardware to phase detection.

Kunzite · 02-24-2009, 08:28 AM

Ogl, how do you know the E620 has better AF and better stabilization?
The AF adjustment is more complex, yes, but still Pentax was first.

soccerjoe5 · 02-24-2009, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by Steelski

Sounds to me like noone here knows how tedious lens adjustment for all 7 sensors would be. That is really a job for a manufacturer to fine tune. All I forsee are people not being able to fine tune it and really messing up the whole process.
It would hoowever be feasable if fine tuning was able to do it itself.
Like having it implemented in LV.
The camera focuses using phase detection, on a tripod, then it switches itself to LV and adjusts to the sharpest point and calculates itself how much of an adjustment should be made.

May be tedious, but it is still provides the user/consumer something

soccerjoe5 · 02-24-2009, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Ogl, how do you know the E620 has better AF and better stabilization?
The AF adjustment is more complex, yes, but still Pentax was first.

I've handled the E-3 and E-30 and their AF is really good. Very fast and reliable especially with their SWD lenses (blistering fast AF!). So I assume the E-620 should have very good AF as well

Kunzite · 02-24-2009, 08:54 AM

I handled the EOS 1DMkII and it's AF is really good (blistering fast!). So can I assume the 1000D have a very good AF as well?

Yes, the E3 is fast - but we're talking about the E620 here; I wasn't impressed by entry level Olympus DSLRs so far. So, can we wait before jumping to conclusions?

ogl · 02-24-2009, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Ogl, how do you know the E620 has better AF and better stabilization?
The AF adjustment is more complex, yes, but still Pentax was first.

All Olympus cameras with IS has better stabilization than Pentax and Sony.
Smaller sensor has advantage in stabilization.

As for AF - I think that it is better. Anyway, E3 and E30 has better AF than K20D.
I think new AF in E620 is not worse.

Pentax was first with AF adjustment in cameras lower USD1300.
Canon offered AF tuning in Canon EOS-1D Mark III before, in 2007, for example.

ogl · 02-24-2009, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I handled the EOS 1DMkII and it's AF is really good (blistering fast!). So can I assume the 1000D have a very good AF as well?

Yes, the E3 is fast - but we're talking about the E620 here; I wasn't impressed by entry level Olympus DSLRs so far. So, can we wait before jumping to conclusions?

E620 has new generation of AF. it's not E520.
Fast in LV and very good in real life.

Kunzite · 02-24-2009, 09:26 AM

See post #31, I was talking about affordable cameras. I know about the Canon.

You know a lot about E620 stabilization&AF; did you had prototypes to play with?

denisv · 02-24-2009, 09:33 AM

Personally, I'm looking forward to the Sigma DP-2.

ogl · 02-24-2009, 09:34 AM

Not me, my friend in U.S.A.

02-24-2009, 07:43 AM	#32
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Fine tuning for zooms and for each AF point are better than K20D's AF adjustment. To say honest - Olympus can offer better AF, better stabilization, better AF adjustment, fast contrast AF in LV. Pentax can't offer it now. Wait PMA. Last edited by ogl; 02-24-2009 at 07:52 AM.

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02-24-2009, 07:30 AM	#31
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by deejjjaaaa but look how Oly can adjust AF (in a consumer level camera) and compare it w/ Pentax... nice job, Oly ! Well, it looks like Olympus had learned from Pentax - as Pentax was first to introduce this feature into an affordable camera, yes, I'm talking about the K20D. Olympus followed with the E30 and now with the E620. Nice job, Pentax!

02-24-2009, 07:59 AM	#33
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	I stand by my statement about the Oly E620...nothing about it turns me on. Sure the little features are "wow", but the only thing that is impressive is the AF adjustment...but still nothing to make me think for a split second about wanting one. Jason

02-24-2009, 08:06 AM	#34
Steelski Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Varna Posts: 470	Sounds to me like noone here knows how tedious lens adjustment for all 7 sensors would be. That is really a job for a manufacturer to fine tune. All I forsee are people not being able to fine tune it and really messing up the whole process. It would hoowever be feasable if fine tuning was able to do it itself. Like having it implemented in LV. The camera focuses using phase detection, on a tripod, then it switches itself to LV and adjusts to the sharpest point and calculates itself how much of an adjustment should be made.

02-24-2009, 08:14 AM	#35
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	We say not about switch to E620. We say - Pentax, pay attention!!!

02-24-2009, 08:17 AM	#36
whatever7 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 278	Originally posted by Steelski Sounds to me like noone here knows how tedious lens adjustment for all 7 sensors would be. That is really a job for a manufacturer to fine tune. All I forsee are people not being able to fine tune it and really messing up the whole process. It would hoowever be feasable if fine tuning was able to do it itself. Like having it implemented in LV. The camera focuses using phase detection, on a tripod, then it switches itself to LV and adjusts to the sharpest point and calculates itself how much of an adjustment should be made. That's a great idea. If the sensor can do liveview, it should have the hardware to phase detection.

02-24-2009, 08:28 AM	#37
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Ogl, how do you know the E620 has better AF and better stabilization? The AF adjustment is more complex, yes, but still Pentax was first.

02-24-2009, 08:35 AM	#38
soccerjoe5 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,343	Originally posted by Steelski Sounds to me like noone here knows how tedious lens adjustment for all 7 sensors would be. That is really a job for a manufacturer to fine tune. All I forsee are people not being able to fine tune it and really messing up the whole process. It would hoowever be feasable if fine tuning was able to do it itself. Like having it implemented in LV. The camera focuses using phase detection, on a tripod, then it switches itself to LV and adjusts to the sharpest point and calculates itself how much of an adjustment should be made. May be tedious, but it is still provides the user/consumer something

02-24-2009, 08:38 AM	#39
soccerjoe5 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,343	Originally posted by Kunzite Ogl, how do you know the E620 has better AF and better stabilization? The AF adjustment is more complex, yes, but still Pentax was first. I've handled the E-3 and E-30 and their AF is really good. Very fast and reliable especially with their SWD lenses (blistering fast AF!). So I assume the E-620 should have very good AF as well

02-24-2009, 08:54 AM	#40
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	I handled the EOS 1DMkII and it's AF is really good (blistering fast!). So can I assume the 1000D have a very good AF as well? Yes, the E3 is fast - but we're talking about the E620 here; I wasn't impressed by entry level Olympus DSLRs so far. So, can we wait before jumping to conclusions?

02-24-2009, 09:15 AM	#41
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Kunzite Ogl, how do you know the E620 has better AF and better stabilization? The AF adjustment is more complex, yes, but still Pentax was first. All Olympus cameras with IS has better stabilization than Pentax and Sony. Smaller sensor has advantage in stabilization. As for AF - I think that it is better. Anyway, E3 and E30 has better AF than K20D. I think new AF in E620 is not worse. Pentax was first with AF adjustment in cameras lower USD1300. Canon offered AF tuning in Canon EOS-1D Mark III before, in 2007, for example.

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02-24-2009, 09:18 AM	#42
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Kunzite I handled the EOS 1DMkII and it's AF is really good (blistering fast!). So can I assume the 1000D have a very good AF as well? Yes, the E3 is fast - but we're talking about the E620 here; I wasn't impressed by entry level Olympus DSLRs so far. So, can we wait before jumping to conclusions? E620 has new generation of AF. it's not E520. Fast in LV and very good in real life.

02-24-2009, 09:26 AM	#43
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	See post #31, I was talking about affordable cameras. I know about the Canon. You know a lot about E620 stabilization&AF; did you had prototypes to play with?

02-24-2009, 09:33 AM	#44
denisv Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Slovenia Photos: Gallery Posts: 66	Personally, I'm looking forward to the Sigma DP-2.

02-24-2009, 09:34 AM	#45
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Not me, my friend in U.S.A.