New Tokina 12-24 covers full frame

Supernaut · 02-23-2009, 02:08 PM

Sorry, as Tommy states below, the new Tokina just handles the DX-crop on D3. My mistake. Wishful reading I suppose

I haven't seen this before, but a FF 12-24 Tokina was shown on a swedish foto show this weekend. Please see 1/3 down on this page: Fotomässa 2009 - Göteborg - Fotosidan.se:s Prylblogg - Fotosidan.
It shows the old and the new version on a D3. I didn't see it myself but the author is reliable. The images without further explaination:

Maybe some fuel for the FF speculations? If Tokina can, Pentax could do it

Last edited by Supernaut; 02-24-2009 at 12:18 AM. Reason: I was wrong...

m8o · 02-23-2009, 02:42 PM

aren't many Pentax lenses often re-skined/re-branded Tokina lenses?
p.s. the two photos are taken @ different zooms levels as well; not saying new isn't better, but should obviously compare two images of the same focal length.

Tommy · 02-23-2009, 02:49 PM

The page says that the new version can handle the DX-crop on Nikon FX-cameras.
If you mount a lens designed for APS-C on a Nikon FF camera, the camera detects that it has to crop the image to get a clean image. As I understand it, Nikons FF-cameras can not detect that the old Tokina is designed for APS-C and didn't bother to crop the image. With the new version, the image is croped. Also, if it would have been FF, the lens would have been much bigger.

/Tommy

Wheatfield · 02-23-2009, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by m8o

aren't many Pentax lenses often re-skined/re-branded Tokina lenses?
p.s. the two photos are taken @ different zooms levels as well; not saying new isn't better, but should obviously compare two images of the same focal length.

No.
All of the manufacturers do co-development work on optics, and sometimes this ends up with first party and third party lenses with the same optical formula. However, if it doesn't say Pentax on the nameplate, it doesn't enjoy Pentax SMC coatings, and there may well be other internal build differences.

Todd K. · 02-23-2009, 06:10 PM

The Tokina Lenses my not say Pentax or have SMC coating, but without the SDM motors, they are more reliable.

Dan · 02-23-2009, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by Todd K.

The Tokina Lenses my not say Pentax or have SMC coating, but without the SDM motors, they are more reliable.

The Pentax 12-24mm lens does NOT have an SDM motor. It has the good old-fashioned super-reliable screw drive.

The build quality is very high in every other respect as well. I wish all Pentax zooms were built as well.

Dan

creampuff · 02-23-2009, 08:17 PM

This is great news given the similarities between the Tokina and DA 12-24mm lenses. This opens up the possibility for the lens designers to redesign the rear group to cover a wider image circle for other lenses.

That means the DA range of lenses can be revamped to cover a FF image circle (rename it it DA II or whatever) Not as impossible as it seems looking forward. If it can be done on a wide angle zoom, it is technically feasible to do it for other current DA lenses.

Ole · 02-23-2009, 08:28 PM

As per the Swedish text the lens is not full frame but DX which is equal to APS-C. So it is the old lens with an upgraded chip, so that, in Nikon mount, it can tell the camera to crop down to APS-C.

Supernaut · 02-24-2009, 12:23 AM

Sorry guys! I got too excited I guess. It's still for crop sensors

Just a recognition chip and new multicoating.

zntgrg · 02-24-2009, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by Dan

The Pentax 12-24mm lens does NOT have an SDM motor. It has the good old-fashioned super-reliable screw drive.

The build quality is very high in every other respect as well. I wish all Pentax zooms were built as well.

Dan

Oh my God...after years of "we want ultrasonic motors too" whining, now starts the "give us back ye ol' faithful screw drive" one!

It's tough being Pentax.

joele · 02-24-2009, 03:54 AM

They were probably just showing the version II one which adds in lens motor..

Actually I think in the first pic the model on the left is screw drive and on the right is the in-lens motor..

falconeye · 02-24-2009, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by zntgrg

Oh my God...after years of "we want ultrasonic motors too" whining, now starts the "give us back ye ol' faithful screw drive" one!
It's tough being Pentax.

Users wanted an ultrasonic ring motor, Pentax gave them a micro-ultrasonic motor. It's easy being Pentax. Just listen!

Wheatfield · 02-24-2009, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by zntgrg

Oh my God...after years of "we want ultrasonic motors too" whining, now starts the "give us back ye ol' faithful screw drive" one!

It's tough being Pentax.

This is because what they gave us isn't an improvement over what they had.

02-23-2009, 02:08 PM	#1
Supernaut Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: West Coast , Sweden Posts: 467	New Tokina 12-24 covers full frame Sorry, as Tommy states below, the new Tokina just handles the DX-crop on D3. My mistake. Wishful reading I suppose I haven't seen this before, but a FF 12-24 Tokina was shown on a swedish foto show this weekend. Please see 1/3 down on this page: Fotomässa 2009 - Göteborg - Fotosidan.se:s Prylblogg - Fotosidan. It shows the old and the new version on a D3. I didn't see it myself but the author is reliable. The images without further explaination: Maybe some fuel for the FF speculations? If Tokina can, Pentax could do it Last edited by Supernaut; 02-24-2009 at 12:18 AM. Reason: I was wrong...

02-23-2009, 02:49 PM	#3
Tommy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 195	Not FF The page says that the new version can handle the DX-crop on Nikon FX-cameras. If you mount a lens designed for APS-C on a Nikon FF camera, the camera detects that it has to crop the image to get a clean image. As I understand it, Nikons FF-cameras can not detect that the old Tokina is designed for APS-C and didn't bother to crop the image. With the new version, the image is croped. Also, if it would have been FF, the lens would have been much bigger. /Tommy

02-23-2009, 06:10 PM	#5
Todd K. Guest	It may not say Pentax but The Tokina Lenses my not say Pentax or have SMC coating, but without the SDM motors, they are more reliable.

02-23-2009, 06:31 PM	#6
Dan Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 325	No SDM in the Pentax 12-24 Originally posted by Todd K. The Tokina Lenses my not say Pentax or have SMC coating, but without the SDM motors, they are more reliable. The Pentax 12-24mm lens does NOT have an SDM motor. It has the good old-fashioned super-reliable screw drive. The build quality is very high in every other respect as well. I wish all Pentax zooms were built as well. Dan

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02-23-2009, 02:42 PM	#2
m8o Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 40°-55'-44" N / 73°-24'-07" W [on LI] Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,092	aren't many Pentax lenses often re-skined/re-branded Tokina lenses? p.s. the two photos are taken @ different zooms levels as well; not saying new isn't better, but should obviously compare two images of the same focal length.

02-23-2009, 02:55 PM	#4
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by m8o aren't many Pentax lenses often re-skined/re-branded Tokina lenses? p.s. the two photos are taken @ different zooms levels as well; not saying new isn't better, but should obviously compare two images of the same focal length. No. All of the manufacturers do co-development work on optics, and sometimes this ends up with first party and third party lenses with the same optical formula. However, if it doesn't say Pentax on the nameplate, it doesn't enjoy Pentax SMC coatings, and there may well be other internal build differences.

02-23-2009, 08:17 PM	#7
creampuff Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,953	This is great news given the similarities between the Tokina and DA 12-24mm lenses. This opens up the possibility for the lens designers to redesign the rear group to cover a wider image circle for other lenses. That means the DA range of lenses can be revamped to cover a FF image circle (rename it it DA II or whatever) Not as impossible as it seems looking forward. If it can be done on a wide angle zoom, it is technically feasible to do it for other current DA lenses.

02-23-2009, 08:28 PM	#8
Ole Administrator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,408	As per the Swedish text the lens is not full frame but DX which is equal to APS-C. So it is the old lens with an upgraded chip, so that, in Nikon mount, it can tell the camera to crop down to APS-C.

02-24-2009, 12:23 AM	#9
Supernaut Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: West Coast , Sweden Posts: 467 Original Poster	Sorry guys! I got too excited I guess. It's still for crop sensors Just a recognition chip and new multicoating.

02-24-2009, 02:59 AM	#10
zntgrg Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Verona, Italy Posts: 202	Originally posted by Dan The Pentax 12-24mm lens does NOT have an SDM motor. It has the good old-fashioned super-reliable screw drive. The build quality is very high in every other respect as well. I wish all Pentax zooms were built as well. Dan Oh my God...after years of "we want ultrasonic motors too" whining, now starts the "give us back ye ol' faithful screw drive" one! It's tough being Pentax.

02-24-2009, 03:54 AM	#11
joele Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,308	They were probably just showing the version II one which adds in lens motor.. Actually I think in the first pic the model on the left is screw drive and on the right is the in-lens motor..

02-24-2009, 06:05 AM	#12
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by zntgrg Oh my God...after years of "we want ultrasonic motors too" whining, now starts the "give us back ye ol' faithful screw drive" one! It's tough being Pentax. Users wanted an ultrasonic ring motor, Pentax gave them a micro-ultrasonic motor. It's easy being Pentax. Just listen!

02-24-2009, 06:46 AM	#13
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by zntgrg Oh my God...after years of "we want ultrasonic motors too" whining, now starts the "give us back ye ol' faithful screw drive" one! It's tough being Pentax. This is because what they gave us isn't an improvement over what they had.