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03-05-2009, 05:05 AM   #16
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I adduce an excuse to MR.*isteve, but it's only my shocking behaviour and it's joke...
Who can understand me - will undestand...

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ogl, even a broken clock will show the correct time, twice a day.
03-05-2009, 05:19 AM   #18
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There are some problems with humor and sarcasm in Romania...
Of maybe the life is very serious there...
I don't know. It's hard to say.
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Or maybe it's just you who makes less and less sense, ogl.

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O, yes! Of course.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Yes. I have information that DMF camera from Pentax could be offered this year.
As for APS-C - I don't have any news.
Do you also have information about the pricing of this 645D ? :
5000 ? 7000? 10000? 15000? More?
How many do you think would afford this system ?
03-05-2009, 11:01 AM   #22
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I will ask my friend. If he can answer me, I'll inform you.
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I will ask my friend. If he can answer me, I'll inform you.
Thanks, I'm just waiting for.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
ogl, even a broken clock will show the correct time, twice a day.
Only if it is stopped. If it is losing time . . .

Edit: The point there is not to be critical of ogl. Pentax's clock is the one that is running slow. I.E. the DA* 60-250mm, 645D etc.

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03-05-2009, 12:47 PM   #25
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"So please tell me something I didnt already know."

How about a little lesson in grammar?

1. Samsung were looking at the micro concept as they said so
2. Pentax were not going FF in the near future as they said so

Apparently you don't know that (when referring to corporations) you should have used the singular as in:

Samsung was; Pentax was not.

I thought you knew everything. How disappointing!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Tom Lusk Quote
"So please tell me something I didnt already know."

How about a little lesson in grammar?

1. Samsung were looking at the micro concept as they said so
2. Pentax were not going FF in the near future as they said so

Apparently you don't know that (when referring to corporations) you should have used the singular as in:

Samsung was; Pentax was not.

I thought you knew everything. How disappointing!
Well, I guarantee that Ogl's English is better than my Russian!
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QuoteQuote:

Originally Posted by Tom Lusk
"So please tell me something I didnt already know."

How about a little lesson in grammar?

1. Samsung were looking at the micro concept as they said so
2. Pentax were not going FF in the near future as they said so

Apparently you don't know that (when referring to corporations) you should have used the singular as in:

Samsung was; Pentax was not.

I thought you knew everything. How disappointing!
Well, Tom is still on my ignore list but since someone was kind enough to reply to his post so I could see his attempt at a dig, I think its fair to ensure no-one is misled by this common misunderstanding.

True, it is often a convention in English, more common in the UK but not specifically restricted to the UK, to use the plural verb following a collective noun, including a company or organisation. However, both plural and singular are grammatically acceptable.

If indeed you are talking about an action taken by or against the company as a whole, the singular is perfectly acceptable. Pentax is losing money implies the entity is losing money, not the individual employees.

If on the other hand you are talking specifically about the members of the company acting as a group, then it is appropriate to use the plural. Pentax are great engineers implies that their engineering prowess is down to the quality of the engineering staff.

However most of the time the plural or singular can be used.

I should also point out that Pentax is not a company either, just a brand name conferred on a division, though the same of course applies.

This is also explained here:

AUE: "company is" and "company are"

I don't know everything, but at least I'm smart enough to understand how little I do know. The rest I look up.
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I should also point out that Pentax is not a company either, just a brand name conferred on a division, though the same of course applies.
Pentax was a company. At least they are a Division of Hoya. Rollei may no longer be a company or exist.
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QuoteOriginally posted by *isteve Quote
Well, Tom is still on my ignore list but since someone was kind enough to reply to his post so I could see his attempt at a dig, I think its fair to ensure no-one is misled by this common misunderstanding.

True, it is often a convention in English, more common in the UK but not specifically restricted to the UK, to use the plural verb following a collective noun, including a company or organisation. However, both plural and singular are grammatically acceptable.

If indeed you are talking about an action taken by or against the company as a whole, the singular is perfectly acceptable. Pentax is losing money implies the entity is losing money, not the individual employees.

If on the other hand you are talking specifically about the members of the company acting as a group, then it is appropriate to use the plural. Pentax are great engineers implies that their engineering prowess is down to the quality of the engineering staff.

However most of the time the plural or singular can be used.

I should also point out that Pentax is not a company either, just a brand name conferred on a division, though the same of course applies.

This is also explained here:

AUE: "company is" and "company are"

I don't know everything, but at least I'm smart enough to understand how little I do know. The rest I look up.
Thanks for the sound explanation. I did not expect grammar lessons here, but it is certainyl very helpful (no, no kidding, I am serious).

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QuoteOriginally posted by *isteve Quote
I don't know everything, but at least I'm smart enough to understand how little I do know. The rest I look up.
Damn, you beat me to this post. I saw Mr Smartypants' ramblings and was eager to get home to post what you just did. It's pretty sad when people don't have anything of value to add and just resort to nitpicking grammar, and even more sad when they can't get it right.
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