Hoya/Pentax - answer to questions about our future

Harald · 03-09-2009, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by solar1

that the making of interpretations of a poorly translated interpretation makes ones gizzards twisted into a gordian knot, for nought.

Taketh thy innards to a restful state of no-mind... all will be clear with time.

Smaller body cant be the FF I am waiting for, can it? Could they combine small FF body and this new lens serie for bigger FF circle? updated FA:s? nope...

If they had said that next one will be semipro, pro, or other way higher level body than K20 it would have been encouraging, but this, never.

losecontrol · 03-10-2009, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by Urmas R.

Their lens road map is in the end (no new lenses planned)...
Their flagship camera is not updated any longer...
I wonder, where does it all end up? I am kind of a worried about all this.

I would be more worry about things that means a little bit more.
like, starving kids, end wars, climate-changes...

Anyone think this kind of "TTTRITW" (try-to-translate-rumours-into-true-words) have going on tooooo far?

This is nothing agains you Urmas so sorry for use your post as a quote!

But, do we want a different type of camera, we should change work from photographer to camera-designer right?

And you guys that still want to be photographer can accept what the market have to offer...or leave it.

I have never seen such an energy and time waisted on something that we don't know nor can controll or change.

Come on folks!

lol101 · 03-10-2009, 02:10 AM

Quote:

I am totally lost now. What does it mean "NO successor to the K20D model"? Ever?

Yes, pretty much like there was never a successor to the LX, the Z1-P of the MZ-S...

Quote:

Their lens road map is in the end (no new lenses planned)...
Their flagship camera is not updated any longer...
I wonder, where does it all end up? I am kind of a worried about all this.

It doesn't end!

It begins... again!

Pentax old timers are quite used to this "style changing", it happens usually when Pentax see that they can no longer make a significant step forward on a given line of product. Their solution is then to make a step... to the side, by offering a "new product line"(see the move from the Z line to the MZ line in the 90's).

Of course, people expecting a D300 (or, God forbids, a D700) camera with the Pentax logo on it will not be happy, and uber fast AF + machine-gun fps will probably not be on the menu, but just wait until we see what's in store, it is always interesting to see what Pentax comes up with...

gazonk · 03-10-2009, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by lol101

It doesn't end!

It begins... again!

Pentax old timers are quite used to this "style changing", it happens usually when Pentax see that they can no longer make a significant step forward on a given line of product. Their solution is then to make a step... to the side, by offering a "new product line"(see the move from the Z line to the MZ line in the 90's).

Of course, people expecting a D300 (or, God forbids, a D700) camera with the Pentax logo on it will not be happy, and uber fast AF + machine-gun fps will probably not be on the menu, but just wait until we see what's in store, it is always interesting to see what Pentax comes up with...

They've done more shocking things before: The US members may think that the (original, film) K-series was long-lived, but the K1000 was really a budget exception, the "real" K-series died a surprisingly short time after its introduction when the M-series was introduced. The KM, KX and K2 had a shockingly short life span for that time.

The DA* 30 disappearing may signal that Pentax wasn't really that happy with the DA* series - the quality issues, the not so fast SDM and so on. It may also signal that they're redoing the lenses for FF. Or both. We'll see. Anyway, I think these hints at what is coming are very promising, and look forward to what's coming this summer. In the mean time, where's that lottery ticket?

losecontrol · 03-10-2009, 02:32 AM

[QUOTE=lol101;518800]uber fast AF + machine-gun fps will probably not be on the menu, QUOTE]

Jasvox · 03-10-2009, 04:51 AM

I had no idea photography attracted so many paranoid, doomsday, grouchy, stick-in-the-ass, argumentative, and closed off people....or maybe it's just the nature of e-forums?

Jason

losecontrol · 03-10-2009, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by Jasvox

I had no idea photography attracted so many paranoid, doomsday, grouchy, stick-in-the-ass, argumentative, and closed off people....or maybe it's just the nature of e-forums?

Jason

yeah...it seams right...

Wait and see does not exist in the e-forum vocabulary

Harald · 03-10-2009, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by Jasvox

I had no idea photography attracted so many paranoid, doomsday, grouchy, stick-in-the-ass, argumentative, and closed off people....or maybe it's just the nature of e-forums?

Jason

And lots of straight forward idiots who do know next to nothing about polite manners.... like you

Being disappointed is normal behaviour, spilling out such a rubbish like you do is....

losecontrol · 03-10-2009, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by Harald

And lots of straight forward idiots who do know next to nothing about polite manners.... like you

Being disappointed is normal behaviour, spilling out such a rubbish like you do is....

you just did the same misstake then?

I felt his words was kind of heavy...but still, it's not all false.

e-forums is a portal that much people use to speak everything else but photography.

lol101 · 03-10-2009, 05:51 AM

Originally posted by Jasvox

I had no idea photography attracted so many paranoid, doomsday, grouchy, stick-in-the-ass, argumentative, and closed off people....or maybe it's just the nature of e-forums?

Jason

Come on, let it all out! Don't hold off!

BTW: in case you didn't notice, you're on a rumor forum... this might explain why people here mainly give their impressions and opinions on (sometimes wild) rumors...

Very often, when a change is on the horizon but still unclear, people will gather and talk their anxiety out by trying to guess the outcome... now they just write it up on the internet. No harm done (and no obligation to read either...).

AlexanderMayorov · 03-10-2009, 05:53 AM

I dont know what to say.Ive been waiting for FF almost since isDL. Im sure that new model will be good and very usable,but with my big fingers Im not sure if it will be good with K200D-like body.
In case I will improve my photography I may think to hybrid my brant to Pentkon(Pentax(Crop) + Nikon (FF)).

But lets wait and see.....

Jasvox · 03-10-2009, 06:00 AM

perhaps I should have inserted some humourous inflection via a smiley face...RELAX everyone.

Jason

RMabo · 03-10-2009, 06:26 AM

The DA Star 30 is re-scheduled for the new lens serie.
New lens serie will be APS-C, so not 24x36.
Why a new lens serie? Because it will have new autofocus SDM compatible with contrast detect AF. A new name is needed to avoid confusing with the older AF lenses that is not compatible with contrast detect AF system.

The new bodies will offer contrast detect AF for a fast live view function and video mode with full realtime autofocus.

Note that contrast detect AF only will work with SDM lenses, not screwdriven lenses.
New bodies will of course has support for both the new contrast detect AF and the old phase detection AF to work with old lenses.

But only the new lens lineup can take advantage of the new live AF without back- or front focus problems. Contrast detect AF needs a re-design of the in-lens motors.

I believe the consumer lenses, like the 18-55 II, 50-200 and 55-300 will be the first lenses to come in new versions for the contrast detect AF - with the new lens name. And the 30 as a nice standard lens with f/1.4.

Perhaps the new lens serie will be called DV, where V stands for Video.

regken · 03-10-2009, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by RMabo

Perhaps the new lens serie will be called DV, where V stands for Video.

Roland,
I so enjoy your never ending optimism in regards to the next best thing from Pentax. Hope you are right. What is the time frame on this, late summer announcement? Available in the fall? If you are right I could be back to one system by next summer.

MrApollinax · 03-10-2009, 07:14 AM

Not to derail the thread but can someone explain to me why Video capture is such an important feature for a DSLR? I've been trying to wrap my head around it and I still can't figure it out

??? I would much rather have a digital HD Camcorder than use my DSLR as a video camcorder. Am I alone with this sentiment?

03-10-2009, 12:36 AM	#32
losecontrol Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Gnesta, Sweden Posts: 373	Come on! Originally posted by Urmas R. Their lens road map is in the end (no new lenses planned)... Their flagship camera is not updated any longer... I wonder, where does it all end up? I am kind of a worried about all this. I would be more worry about things that means a little bit more. like, starving kids, end wars, climate-changes... Anyone think this kind of "TTTRITW" (try-to-translate-rumours-into-true-words) have going on tooooo far? This is nothing agains you Urmas so sorry for use your post as a quote! But, do we want a different type of camera, we should change work from photographer to camera-designer right? And you guys that still want to be photographer can accept what the market have to offer...or leave it. I have never seen such an energy and time waisted on something that we don't know nor can controll or change. Come on folks!

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03-09-2009, 03:32 PM	#31
Harald Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 259	Originally posted by solar1 that the making of interpretations of a poorly translated interpretation makes ones gizzards twisted into a gordian knot, for nought. Taketh thy innards to a restful state of no-mind... all will be clear with time. Smaller body cant be the FF I am waiting for, can it? Could they combine small FF body and this new lens serie for bigger FF circle? updated FA:s? nope... If they had said that next one will be semipro, pro, or other way higher level body than K20 it would have been encouraging, but this, never.

03-10-2009, 02:10 AM	#33
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Quote: I am totally lost now. What does it mean "NO successor to the K20D model"? Ever? Yes, pretty much like there was never a successor to the LX, the Z1-P of the MZ-S... Quote: Their lens road map is in the end (no new lenses planned)... Their flagship camera is not updated any longer... I wonder, where does it all end up? I am kind of a worried about all this. It doesn't end! It begins... again! Pentax old timers are quite used to this "style changing", it happens usually when Pentax see that they can no longer make a significant step forward on a given line of product. Their solution is then to make a step... to the side, by offering a "new product line"(see the move from the Z line to the MZ line in the 90's). Of course, people expecting a D300 (or, God forbids, a D700) camera with the Pentax logo on it will not be happy, and uber fast AF + machine-gun fps will probably not be on the menu, but just wait until we see what's in store, it is always interesting to see what Pentax comes up with...

03-10-2009, 02:18 AM	#34
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by lol101 It doesn't end! It begins... again! Pentax old timers are quite used to this "style changing", it happens usually when Pentax see that they can no longer make a significant step forward on a given line of product. Their solution is then to make a step... to the side, by offering a "new product line"(see the move from the Z line to the MZ line in the 90's). Of course, people expecting a D300 (or, God forbids, a D700) camera with the Pentax logo on it will not be happy, and uber fast AF + machine-gun fps will probably not be on the menu, but just wait until we see what's in store, it is always interesting to see what Pentax comes up with... They've done more shocking things before: The US members may think that the (original, film) K-series was long-lived, but the K1000 was really a budget exception, the "real" K-series died a surprisingly short time after its introduction when the M-series was introduced. The KM, KX and K2 had a shockingly short life span for that time. The DA* 30 disappearing may signal that Pentax wasn't really that happy with the DA* series - the quality issues, the not so fast SDM and so on. It may also signal that they're redoing the lenses for FF. Or both. We'll see. Anyway, I think these hints at what is coming are very promising, and look forward to what's coming this summer. In the mean time, where's that lottery ticket?

03-10-2009, 02:32 AM	#35
losecontrol Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Gnesta, Sweden Posts: 373	[QUOTE=lol101;518800]uber fast AF + machine-gun fps will probably not be on the menu, QUOTE]

03-10-2009, 04:51 AM	#36
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	I had no idea photography attracted so many paranoid, doomsday, grouchy, stick-in-the-ass, argumentative, and closed off people....or maybe it's just the nature of e-forums? Jason

03-10-2009, 05:24 AM	#37
losecontrol Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Gnesta, Sweden Posts: 373	Originally posted by Jasvox I had no idea photography attracted so many paranoid, doomsday, grouchy, stick-in-the-ass, argumentative, and closed off people....or maybe it's just the nature of e-forums? Jason yeah...it seams right... Wait and see does not exist in the e-forum vocabulary

03-10-2009, 05:32 AM	#38
Harald Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 259	Originally posted by Jasvox I had no idea photography attracted so many paranoid, doomsday, grouchy, stick-in-the-ass, argumentative, and closed off people....or maybe it's just the nature of e-forums? Jason And lots of straight forward idiots who do know next to nothing about polite manners.... like you Being disappointed is normal behaviour, spilling out such a rubbish like you do is....

03-10-2009, 05:36 AM	#39
losecontrol Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Gnesta, Sweden Posts: 373	Originally posted by Harald And lots of straight forward idiots who do know next to nothing about polite manners.... like you Being disappointed is normal behaviour, spilling out such a rubbish like you do is.... you just did the same misstake then? I felt his words was kind of heavy...but still, it's not all false. e-forums is a portal that much people use to speak everything else but photography.

03-10-2009, 05:51 AM	#40
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by Jasvox I had no idea photography attracted so many paranoid, doomsday, grouchy, stick-in-the-ass, argumentative, and closed off people....or maybe it's just the nature of e-forums? Jason Come on, let it all out! Don't hold off! BTW: in case you didn't notice, you're on a rumor forum... this might explain why people here mainly give their impressions and opinions on (sometimes wild) rumors... Very often, when a change is on the horizon but still unclear, people will gather and talk their anxiety out by trying to guess the outcome... now they just write it up on the internet. No harm done (and no obligation to read either...).

03-10-2009, 05:53 AM	#41
AlexanderMayorov Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Istanbul Photos: Gallery Posts: 466	I dont know what to say.Ive been waiting for FF almost since isDL. Im sure that new model will be good and very usable,but with my big fingers Im not sure if it will be good with K200D-like body. In case I will improve my photography I may think to hybrid my brant to Pentkon(Pentax(Crop) + Nikon (FF)). But lets wait and see.....

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03-10-2009, 06:00 AM	#42
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	perhaps I should have inserted some humourous inflection via a smiley face...RELAX everyone. Jason

03-10-2009, 06:26 AM	#43
RMabo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 845	The DA Star 30 is re-scheduled for the new lens serie. New lens serie will be APS-C, so not 24x36. Why a new lens serie? Because it will have new autofocus SDM compatible with contrast detect AF. A new name is needed to avoid confusing with the older AF lenses that is not compatible with contrast detect AF system. The new bodies will offer contrast detect AF for a fast live view function and video mode with full realtime autofocus. Note that contrast detect AF only will work with SDM lenses, not screwdriven lenses. New bodies will of course has support for both the new contrast detect AF and the old phase detection AF to work with old lenses. But only the new lens lineup can take advantage of the new live AF without back- or front focus problems. Contrast detect AF needs a re-design of the in-lens motors. I believe the consumer lenses, like the 18-55 II, 50-200 and 55-300 will be the first lenses to come in new versions for the contrast detect AF - with the new lens name. And the 30 as a nice standard lens with f/1.4. Perhaps the new lens serie will be called DV, where V stands for Video.

03-10-2009, 06:58 AM	#44
regken Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangor, Maine Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,377	Originally posted by RMabo Perhaps the new lens serie will be called DV, where V stands for Video. Roland, I so enjoy your never ending optimism in regards to the next best thing from Pentax. Hope you are right. What is the time frame on this, late summer announcement? Available in the fall? If you are right I could be back to one system by next summer.

03-10-2009, 07:14 AM	#45
MrApollinax Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Minnesota Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,529	Not to derail the thread but can someone explain to me why Video capture is such an important feature for a DSLR? I've been trying to wrap my head around it and I still can't figure it out ??? I would much rather have a digital HD Camcorder than use my DSLR as a video camcorder. Am I alone with this sentiment?