PENTAX to Exhibit Reference Products at Photo Imaging Expo 2009 in Japan

ghelary · 03-24-2009, 09:17 AM

This 645 beast will be for renting shops (most Pros rent their medium format)

My only hope is that this camera will be available for renting in Paris (not that likely that they will want to add another system on their shelves) then maybe I'll rent it to try it for an important job (like my syster's wedding this summer, if available by then)

By no way, I'll have enough use of such a pricey beast (either it is 10k or 40k) before it becomes obsolette. For this range of equipment renting is definitively the way to go.

Regards,
Guillaume

thibs · 03-24-2009, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

The way I see it is that it's possibly SDM only, making AF impossible on older 645 bodies.

Now, *that* would be pretty stupid from them. Doing that in consumer space, why not but in pro market?

cousinsane · 03-24-2009, 10:31 AM

Nice! I will pick one up when I hit my mid-life crisis.

gazonk · 03-24-2009, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by thibs

Now, *that* would be pretty stupid from them. Doing that in consumer space, why not but in pro market?

I was about to comment that myself, but I think we both misunderstood: He meant that the new lens won't autofocus on the old bodies!

thibs · 03-24-2009, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by gazonk

I was about to comment that myself, but I think we both misunderstood: He meant that the new lens won't autofocus on the old bodies!

Oh, then it may be acceptable. If the lens does not cover '645 full frame' anyway...

Elton · 03-24-2009, 03:55 PM

Very very nice!

Hopefully in a couple of years I'll be making enough money to pick up this beauty, in the mean time I hope the rental shops of London get it...

BTW, has anybody else noticed the high shutter speed of 1/1000? I've never seen that before on a MF. Wonder what the max speed is? But more importantly what the flash sync is? 1/500 would be nice... Hopefully the new set of lenses will have a buildt in shutter.

Interesting buttons as well, I wonder if the two blanc ones mean there are any secret functions that they don't want to tell us about yet?

Cambo · 03-25-2009, 09:12 AM

I hope they sell out quickly and mass market them so us regular folks can afford one.

Ben - are you getting one? C'mon, moneybags!

Cheers,
Cameron

thibs · 03-25-2009, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Elton

Very very nice!

Hopefully in a couple of years I'll be making enough money to pick up this beauty, in the mean time I hope the rental shops of London get it...

BTW, has anybody else noticed the high shutter speed of 1/1000? I've never seen that before on a MF. Wonder what the max speed is? But more importantly what the flash sync is? 1/500 would be nice... Hopefully the new set of lenses will have a buildt in shutter.

Interesting buttons as well, I wonder if the two blanc ones mean there are any secret functions that they don't want to tell us about yet?

Flash sync on MF isn't a big issue, just find a lens with built-in shutter and it's done.

losecontrol · 03-26-2009, 12:45 AM

Mirror lock up button.

At least

por fin

Till slut

Elton · 03-26-2009, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Flash sync on MF isn't a big issue, just find a lens with built-in shutter and it's done.

Well, that was what I said. I hope the new lenses have a buildt in shutter. And flash sync on a MF is a big issue for me. I would have a hard time justifying a camera that couldn't sync faster than 1/30s as the 645NII. That would make outdoor use of flash in sunlight impossible.

Even if the new lenses have a buildt in shutter or not I would like the camera itself to have a faster sync speed than the previous 645 from Pentax.

Sean Nelson · 03-26-2009, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by Elton

I would have a hard time justifying a camera that couldn't sync faster than 1/30s as the 645NII.

Wow, is it really that slow? Back in the early 70's my Bronica S2A synced at 1/40s, and that was a 6x6 camera so they couldn't get away with a shorter run for the shutter curtain by having it traverse the narrower dimension of the film.

Elton · 03-27-2009, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Sean Nelson

Wow, is it really that slow? Back in the early 70's my Bronica S2A synced at 1/40s, and that was a 6x6 camera so they couldn't get away with a shorter run for the shutter curtain by having it traverse the narrower dimension of the film.

Looks like I had it wrong, according to this page PHOTOgraphic Magazine Online: Pentax 645nii the 645N II has a 1/60s flash sync.

Still I find it to be a bit to long. I'm not sure what the fastet sync speed on a existing 645 is, but I see the Contax 645 has 1/125s and the top of the line new Hasselblad, the H3DII can sync all the way up to 1/800, but as I understand that is because all the lenses have their on shutter.

My personal belief is that on a medium format the sync speed should at least be 1/500s - and if that is not possible with a shutter in the camera, then all the lenses available should have a leaf shutter inside.

cheesehead · 03-27-2009, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Elton

My personal belief is that on a medium format the sync speed should at least be 1/500s - and if that is not possible with a shutter in the camera, then all the lenses available should have a leaf shutter inside.

It SHOULD be 1/500

And I believe the new 645D with that shutter should cost $1000

and come with an automatic upgrade everytime a new sensor comes out.

If you want it, you can pay the extra $$ for that leaf shutter lens. Let me buy my regular lenses (I'll get a couple of them for , and if I REALLY NEED that fast a sync I'll buy one too.

Elton · 03-27-2009, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by cheesehead

It SHOULD be 1/500

And I believe the new 645D with that shutter should cost $1000

and come with an automatic upgrade everytime a new sensor comes out.

If you want it, you can pay the extra $$ for that leaf shutter lens. Let me buy my regular lenses (I'll get a couple of them for , and if I REALLY NEED that fast a sync I'll buy one too.

But if they have two lines of lenses, one with and one without leaf shutters, then they could justify the leaf lenses being very expensive. With just one line though they could all be "cheap"... =)

thibs · 03-27-2009, 10:37 PM

Bleh, I suppose 645D is PPTL compatible so HS sync is present.
Of course it lowers the flash power but still, it should allow more flexibility IMO

03-24-2009, 03:55 PM	#21
Elton Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 34	Sexy! Very very nice! Hopefully in a couple of years I'll be making enough money to pick up this beauty, in the mean time I hope the rental shops of London get it... BTW, has anybody else noticed the high shutter speed of 1/1000? I've never seen that before on a MF. Wonder what the max speed is? But more importantly what the flash sync is? 1/500 would be nice... Hopefully the new set of lenses will have a buildt in shutter. Interesting buttons as well, I wonder if the two blanc ones mean there are any secret functions that they don't want to tell us about yet?

03-25-2009, 09:12 AM	#22
Cambo Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,016	Nice! I hope they sell out quickly and mass market them so us regular folks can afford one. Ben - are you getting one? C'mon, moneybags! Cheers, Cameron

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03-24-2009, 09:17 AM	#16
ghelary Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 613	This 645 beast will be for renting shops (most Pros rent their medium format) My only hope is that this camera will be available for renting in Paris (not that likely that they will want to add another system on their shelves) then maybe I'll rent it to try it for an important job (like my syster's wedding this summer, if available by then) By no way, I'll have enough use of such a pricey beast (either it is 10k or 40k) before it becomes obsolette. For this range of equipment renting is definitively the way to go. Regards, Guillaume

03-24-2009, 09:56 AM	#17
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Asahiflex The way I see it is that it's possibly SDM only, making AF impossible on older 645 bodies. Now, that would be pretty stupid from them. Doing that in consumer space, why not but in pro market?

03-24-2009, 10:31 AM	#18
cousinsane Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: madison Posts: 239	Nice! I will pick one up when I hit my mid-life crisis.

03-24-2009, 12:21 PM	#19
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by thibs Now, that would be pretty stupid from them. Doing that in consumer space, why not but in pro market? I was about to comment that myself, but I think we both misunderstood: He meant that the new lens won't autofocus on the old bodies!

03-24-2009, 01:25 PM	#20
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by gazonk I was about to comment that myself, but I think we both misunderstood: He meant that the new lens won't autofocus on the old bodies! Oh, then it may be acceptable. If the lens does not cover '645 full frame' anyway...

03-25-2009, 09:40 AM	#23
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Elton Very very nice! Hopefully in a couple of years I'll be making enough money to pick up this beauty, in the mean time I hope the rental shops of London get it... BTW, has anybody else noticed the high shutter speed of 1/1000? I've never seen that before on a MF. Wonder what the max speed is? But more importantly what the flash sync is? 1/500 would be nice... Hopefully the new set of lenses will have a buildt in shutter. Interesting buttons as well, I wonder if the two blanc ones mean there are any secret functions that they don't want to tell us about yet? Flash sync on MF isn't a big issue, just find a lens with built-in shutter and it's done.

03-26-2009, 12:45 AM	#24
losecontrol Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Gnesta, Sweden Posts: 373	Mirror lock up button. At least por fin Till slut

03-26-2009, 09:45 AM	#25
Elton Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 34	Originally posted by thibs Flash sync on MF isn't a big issue, just find a lens with built-in shutter and it's done. Well, that was what I said. I hope the new lenses have a buildt in shutter. And flash sync on a MF is a big issue for me. I would have a hard time justifying a camera that couldn't sync faster than 1/30s as the 645NII. That would make outdoor use of flash in sunlight impossible. Even if the new lenses have a buildt in shutter or not I would like the camera itself to have a faster sync speed than the previous 645 from Pentax.

03-26-2009, 12:28 PM	#26
Sean Nelson Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 353	Originally posted by Elton I would have a hard time justifying a camera that couldn't sync faster than 1/30s as the 645NII. Wow, is it really that slow? Back in the early 70's my Bronica S2A synced at 1/40s, and that was a 6x6 camera so they couldn't get away with a shorter run for the shutter curtain by having it traverse the narrower dimension of the film.

03-27-2009, 03:10 PM	#27
Elton Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 34	Originally posted by Sean Nelson Wow, is it really that slow? Back in the early 70's my Bronica S2A synced at 1/40s, and that was a 6x6 camera so they couldn't get away with a shorter run for the shutter curtain by having it traverse the narrower dimension of the film. Looks like I had it wrong, according to this page PHOTOgraphic Magazine Online: Pentax 645nii the 645N II has a 1/60s flash sync. Still I find it to be a bit to long. I'm not sure what the fastet sync speed on a existing 645 is, but I see the Contax 645 has 1/125s and the top of the line new Hasselblad, the H3DII can sync all the way up to 1/800, but as I understand that is because all the lenses have their on shutter. My personal belief is that on a medium format the sync speed should at least be 1/500s - and if that is not possible with a shutter in the camera, then all the lenses available should have a leaf shutter inside.

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03-27-2009, 04:04 PM	#28
cheesehead Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Western Wisconsin Posts: 26	Originally posted by Elton My personal belief is that on a medium format the sync speed should at least be 1/500s - and if that is not possible with a shutter in the camera, then all the lenses available should have a leaf shutter inside. It SHOULD be 1/500 And I believe the new 645D with that shutter should cost $1000 and come with an automatic upgrade everytime a new sensor comes out. If you want it, you can pay the extra $$ for that leaf shutter lens. Let me buy my regular lenses (I'll get a couple of them for , and if I REALLY NEED that fast a sync I'll buy one too.

03-27-2009, 04:50 PM	#29
Elton Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 34	Originally posted by cheesehead It SHOULD be 1/500 And I believe the new 645D with that shutter should cost $1000 and come with an automatic upgrade everytime a new sensor comes out. If you want it, you can pay the extra $$ for that leaf shutter lens. Let me buy my regular lenses (I'll get a couple of them for , and if I REALLY NEED that fast a sync I'll buy one too. But if they have two lines of lenses, one with and one without leaf shutters, then they could justify the leaf lenses being very expensive. With just one line though they could all be "cheap"... =)

03-27-2009, 10:37 PM	#30
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Bleh, I suppose 645D is PPTL compatible so HS sync is present. Of course it lowers the flash power but still, it should allow more flexibility IMO