What would we want from the K30D?

offertonhatter · 04-07-2009, 02:25 PM

I see, whilst scanning the web, that the rumours are forthcoming about the K30D.

However, we as Pentax users, what would we want from the K30D, and probably a range of lenses?

We are to assume that Pentax are not going to release a FF model in the foreseeable, due to the fact that other than the FA limiteds and DFA macro lenses, they have no lens range to support FF.

So, then we are to assume that APS-C or APS-H (most DA lenses will support "H"), will be the sensor of choice.

Personally, i would prefer that Pentax keep to the 14.6mp sensor of the K20D, but of course "market forces" will not allow them to do this. "Why buy a 14.6 K30D when the K20D is already this?" will be the response from the ordinary buyer, "I can get a 15.1mp Canon, which MUST be better as it has more pixels!". It is of course a fact of life - more pixels = better.
We all know that this it not true, but when selling a new camera, it is a fact of life (remember pre K10D, Pentax did this with the *ist series, and look where it got them). And before you mention the Canon EOS 1D mk3 "only having 10mp, remember this model was aimed at a different market, rather than the consumer or pro-sumer market that Pentax supply to.

So, taking this all into consideration, newer model, more pixels (shame) etc, what do we want from the K30D?

For me I would say that the following would be either "must haves" or bonuses

If I can't have the 14.6mp sensor (which is fab in low light BTW), then possibly something in the region of max 18mp (16mp would be better), so that we dont have the noise/IQ issues that so have a problem with compact sensors.
If it is 20+mp, then APS-H would be a better option, and think of the USP, only Canon have APS-H on the 1D mk3.

A brand new shutter, which is quieter and more responsive

A new AF system, ala Nikon, with 51 af points, yet has the ablility to be superior in low light (current Pentax AF is better low light than the EOS40D, I have first hand experience), also faster focusing (SDM is good, but could be better)

increased buffer/write speed. The SD is getting better, but still a lot slower than CF, this might come from faster SDHC cards, but the buffer has to come from Pentax

FPS. This would come with a new shutter, but the current 3fps is no longer good enough in the company that the K20D lives with, 6fps would be better. And if Nikon can increase the fps by 2 when the grip is on the D300/D700, whay can't Pentax?

Articulated screen. This would be a bonus rather than a need, but having a screen than moved out about 45 degrees, like the Sony, rather than the flimsy pull out and rotate of the Panasonic, would be nice.

I suppose that at this late stage, if Pentax are reading this, these mods won't be on the K30D, but maybe the K40D, but there is hope that Pentax are thinking of these.

What would you want?

ll_coffee_lP · 04-07-2009, 02:40 PM

What I would really like is:
- Same size as the K10D (It fits me perfectly)
- Better dynamic range
- Higher ISO with less noise. Maybe 3200?!?
- Faster AF
- Larger screen with higher resolution. Articulating would be a bonus.

c[_]

Male Gorilla · 04-07-2009, 04:18 PM

No mirror and tilt/shift sensor with DR 12.
Everything else may stay the same.

huqedato · 04-07-2009, 04:30 PM

1.Full-frame sensor
2. Full-frame sensor
3. Full-frame sensor
4. Full-frame sensor
5. Full-frame sensor
6. Full-frame sensor
....
100. Full-frame sensor

(and maybe)
101. faster and more accurate AF
102. improved pTTL system

vizjerei · 04-07-2009, 04:42 PM

Faster and more accurate AF
Higher ISO with less noise.
Cheap price.

**krs** · 04-07-2009, 05:01 PM

Improved AF
Higher ISO with less noise

A bit of a repeat - yes - perhaps a common theme?

**RuiC** · 04-07-2009, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by offertonhatter

I see, whilst scanning the web, that the rumours are forthcoming about the K30D ......
......
..... I suppose that at this late stage, if Pentax are reading this, these mods won't be on the K30D, but maybe the K40D, but there is hope that Pentax are thinking of these.

What would you want?

I'm affraid you are a bit late with requests. Pentax is already well ahead of that. Just sit and enjoy your current Pentax bodies while waiting. You won't miss them.

RuiC

**rparmar** · 04-07-2009, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by huqedato

1.Full-frame sensor
2. Full-frame sensor
3. Full-frame sensor
4. Full-frame sensor
5. Full-frame sensor
6. Full-frame sensor

I don't get it. If you need full frame, why don't you buy a full-frame camera? There are several on offer. Or skip that crap and go right to a Hasselblad medium format. Nice images there!

kenyee · 04-07-2009, 05:48 PM

Hopefully Pentax has been reading the "Dear Pentax" thread stickied at the top of this forum... ;-)

dan aron · 04-07-2009, 06:25 PM

Bigger and better viewfinder. That's all. K20 is awesome!
And if the sensor must be changed then APS-H.

redpigeons · 04-07-2009, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by rparmar

I don't get it. If you need full frame, why don't you buy a full-frame camera? There are several on offer. Or skip that crap and go right to a Hasselblad medium format. Nice images there!

I think that like most of us he wants to use his great Pentax film lenses. and not Canon's or Nikon's

as for me:
I really wish for HD video!! I know not every one needs it but I really do
.
and I can do with out the tendency to under expose.

Bigger View finder (even thou the current one is excellent)

over all if the K20D would have an HD video

and pentax would have film size fast zoom in production I would be very happy

Angevinn · 04-07-2009, 07:42 PM

1. A Full Frame Sensor or atleast APS-H 1.3 format.
2. HD Video Mode
3. Better AF
4. Better High ISO Performance
5. An Articulating Screen

I believe Pentax can support multiple formats, whether APS EVIL, or FF. I see the market going FF eventually though.

ajuett · 04-07-2009, 07:55 PM

Full frame, great dynamic range, built well, batteries that last a year, small in size and weight... Wait! I have that already, my entire kit is probably cheaper than the tax alone.
Sorry, partial rant to Pentax about current pricing, other-wise, I hit it on the mark ;-)

pdo · 04-07-2009, 08:02 PM

Faster focus
Wireless for tethered shooting in the studio.

SpecialK · 04-07-2009, 08:21 PM

A viewfinder and sensor that are parallel. I'm tired of fixing horizons.

04-07-2009, 02:25 PM	#1
offertonhatter Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: North West UK Posts: 390	What would we want from the K30D? I see, whilst scanning the web, that the rumours are forthcoming about the K30D. However, we as Pentax users, what would we want from the K30D, and probably a range of lenses? We are to assume that Pentax are not going to release a FF model in the foreseeable, due to the fact that other than the FA limiteds and DFA macro lenses, they have no lens range to support FF. So, then we are to assume that APS-C or APS-H (most DA lenses will support "H"), will be the sensor of choice. Personally, i would prefer that Pentax keep to the 14.6mp sensor of the K20D, but of course "market forces" will not allow them to do this. "Why buy a 14.6 K30D when the K20D is already this?" will be the response from the ordinary buyer, "I can get a 15.1mp Canon, which MUST be better as it has more pixels!". It is of course a fact of life - more pixels = better. We all know that this it not true, but when selling a new camera, it is a fact of life (remember pre K10D, Pentax did this with the *ist series, and look where it got them). And before you mention the Canon EOS 1D mk3 "only having 10mp, remember this model was aimed at a different market, rather than the consumer or pro-sumer market that Pentax supply to. So, taking this all into consideration, newer model, more pixels (shame) etc, what do we want from the K30D? For me I would say that the following would be either "must haves" or bonuses If I can't have the 14.6mp sensor (which is fab in low light BTW), then possibly something in the region of max 18mp (16mp would be better), so that we dont have the noise/IQ issues that so have a problem with compact sensors. If it is 20+mp, then APS-H would be a better option, and think of the USP, only Canon have APS-H on the 1D mk3. A brand new shutter, which is quieter and more responsive A new AF system, ala Nikon, with 51 af points, yet has the ablility to be superior in low light (current Pentax AF is better low light than the EOS40D, I have first hand experience), also faster focusing (SDM is good, but could be better) increased buffer/write speed. The SD is getting better, but still a lot slower than CF, this might come from faster SDHC cards, but the buffer has to come from Pentax FPS. This would come with a new shutter, but the current 3fps is no longer good enough in the company that the K20D lives with, 6fps would be better. And if Nikon can increase the fps by 2 when the grip is on the D300/D700, whay can't Pentax? Articulated screen. This would be a bonus rather than a need, but having a screen than moved out about 45 degrees, like the Sony, rather than the flimsy pull out and rotate of the Panasonic, would be nice. I suppose that at this late stage, if Pentax are reading this, these mods won't be on the K30D, but maybe the K40D, but there is hope that Pentax are thinking of these. What would you want?

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04-07-2009, 02:40 PM	#2
ll_coffee_lP Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,972	What I would really like is: - Same size as the K10D (It fits me perfectly) - Better dynamic range - Higher ISO with less noise. Maybe 3200?!? - Faster AF - Larger screen with higher resolution. Articulating would be a bonus. c[_]

04-07-2009, 04:18 PM	#3
Male Gorilla New Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 20	No mirror and tilt/shift sensor with DR 12. Everything else may stay the same.

04-07-2009, 04:30 PM	#4
huqedato Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: France, EU Posts: 97	1.Full-frame sensor 2. Full-frame sensor 3. Full-frame sensor 4. Full-frame sensor 5. Full-frame sensor 6. Full-frame sensor .... 100. Full-frame sensor (and maybe) 101. faster and more accurate AF 102. improved pTTL system

04-07-2009, 04:42 PM	#5
vizjerei Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,418	Faster and more accurate AF Higher ISO with less noise. Cheap price.

04-07-2009, 05:01 PM	#6
krs Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: St. Louis, MO Photos: Gallery Posts: 395	Improved AF Higher ISO with less noise A bit of a repeat - yes - perhaps a common theme?

04-07-2009, 05:33 PM	#7
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by offertonhatter I see, whilst scanning the web, that the rumours are forthcoming about the K30D ...... ...... ..... I suppose that at this late stage, if Pentax are reading this, these mods won't be on the K30D, but maybe the K40D, but there is hope that Pentax are thinking of these. What would you want? I'm affraid you are a bit late with requests. Pentax is already well ahead of that. Just sit and enjoy your current Pentax bodies while waiting. You won't miss them. RuiC

04-07-2009, 05:47 PM	#8
rparmar Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,819	Originally posted by huqedato 1.Full-frame sensor 2. Full-frame sensor 3. Full-frame sensor 4. Full-frame sensor 5. Full-frame sensor 6. Full-frame sensor I don't get it. If you need full frame, why don't you buy a full-frame camera? There are several on offer. Or skip that crap and go right to a Hasselblad medium format. Nice images there!

04-07-2009, 05:48 PM	#9
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	Hopefully Pentax has been reading the "Dear Pentax" thread stickied at the top of this forum... ;-)

04-07-2009, 06:25 PM	#10
dan aron Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 55	Bigger and better viewfinder. That's all. K20 is awesome! And if the sensor must be changed then APS-H.

04-07-2009, 07:23 PM	#11
redpigeons Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 943	Originally posted by rparmar I don't get it. If you need full frame, why don't you buy a full-frame camera? There are several on offer. Or skip that crap and go right to a Hasselblad medium format. Nice images there! I think that like most of us he wants to use his great Pentax film lenses. and not Canon's or Nikon's as for me: I really wish for HD video!! I know not every one needs it but I really do . and I can do with out the tendency to under expose. Bigger View finder (even thou the current one is excellent) over all if the K20D would have an HD video and pentax would have film size fast zoom in production I would be very happy

04-07-2009, 07:42 PM	#12
Angevinn Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago, Ill. Posts: 204	1. A Full Frame Sensor or atleast APS-H 1.3 format. 2. HD Video Mode 3. Better AF 4. Better High ISO Performance 5. An Articulating Screen I believe Pentax can support multiple formats, whether APS EVIL, or FF. I see the market going FF eventually though.

04-07-2009, 07:55 PM	#13
ajuett Inactive Account Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 1,100	Full frame, great dynamic range, built well, batteries that last a year, small in size and weight... Wait! I have that already, my entire kit is probably cheaper than the tax alone. Sorry, partial rant to Pentax about current pricing, other-wise, I hit it on the mark ;-)

04-07-2009, 08:02 PM	#14
pdo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Westminster CA Posts: 264	Faster focus Wireless for tethered shooting in the studio.

04-07-2009, 08:21 PM	#15
SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,481	A viewfinder and sensor that are parallel. I'm tired of fixing horizons.