is this pic of K30D?

ogl · 05-11-2009, 10:01 AM

DL2 has 5 AF points.

sveinmb · 05-11-2009, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by ogl

DL2 has 5 AF points.

I'm pretty sure this reminds every Norwegian (and perhaps Swedish) guy here of this: Wesensteen - Hos tannlegen

Torphoto · 05-11-2009, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by ryan s

Is not the "1080" resolution the same number, no matter the way it's played back?

I'd rather have a solid 720p cause honestly...out of all the people bitchin here, how many of you reallllllllly have displays that can do 1080 or have clients that would want a vid in 1080?

My TV "only" goes up to 720p but I get some broadcasts in 1080i

My sony bravia supports 1080P so does my Samsung monitor for my tower. I have not had a client ask for 1080P yet as most do not have bluray players to deliver the media BUT I do render video to 1080P and show it on my bluray player and they are wow'ed by it. Irony is most time I have to re-render the video to standard SD and deliver it on a mini dv tape.

I for one would be VERY happy if the K-7 did full 1080p video, tho solid 720P can easily be upconverted to 1080i or even 1080p and if the IQ is good to begin with hold it's own.

I know there are several competing arguments about 1080p vs 1080i vs 720p but I can tell you that IF you have a large ( note the large parts ) 42" or larger true 1080p display you can see the difference between 720P and 1080p, 1080i and 1080P are much more difficult to distinguish as is upscaled 720P from a pristine source. The reason for this is many supposed HD consumer camcorders only deliver 400-600 or so lines or "REAL" resolution vertically if that much. Compare that to the Canon A1 semi pro camcorder that in 1080i delivers close to 1000 lines, the difference is quite obvious when seen.

Jesus · 05-11-2009, 10:48 AM

Testing....................................

Caat · 05-11-2009, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by ogl

D90 has weak video modes, no WR and SR and it's camera a bit lower class than K-7.
But, in some aspects close.

I swear I read a comment by you in one of these thread saying it matches the D300/A700 class cameras and is a bit above them in some areas.

illdefined · 05-11-2009, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Take the ist-dL then, 3 AF points. Doesn't change anything to the argument. So what now ?

we're trying to tell what makes the difference between versions of SAFOX. if its been version VIII since those days, and both the K20 and Km have "VIII" then its not by AF point but something else.

if the AF hardware in the K-7 has changed, why is it still being reported as 'VII'. if its purely software differences, then why is it still 'VIII' since its surely been changed much since its inception. more importantly, why wouldn't the K20 inherit the purported 'much better AF' of the K-7 if thats the case.

just trying to get a sense of what to expect and how much of the hype we're hearing is just that hype.

thibs · 05-11-2009, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by illdefined

we're trying to tell what makes the difference between versions of SAFOX. if its been version VIII since those days, and both the K20 and Km have "VIII" then its not by AF point but something else.

if the AF hardware in the K-7 has changed, why is it still being reported as 'VII'. if its purely software differences, then why is it still 'VIII' since its surely been changed much since its inception. more importantly, why wouldn't the K20 inherit the purported 'much better AF' of the K-7 if thats the case.

just trying to get a sense of what to expect and how much of the hype we're hearing is just that hype.

Yes I know what you try to do, no objection. Thought you were objecting against the validity of my point. Sorry.

According to KMP which is an extremely reliable source, ist-D is SAFOX VIII and K20D is SAFOX VIII.
Seems clear to me. Well maybe not that much. Even if the base system is the same, number of AF points differs (you know that), software can differs (algorithms...), but motor strength as well.

Example, Z1 is known to be the fastest Pentax AF produced until now. But only one narrow AF point. So earlier AF systems can be faster, less complex but beter motor.

dave sz · 05-11-2009, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by Torphoto

tho solid 720P can easily be upconverted to 1080i

why would you do that when 720p is higher quality than 1080i? I'll take 720 progressive over 1080 interlaced anyday...

fejker · 05-11-2009, 01:11 PM

I agree with dave sz ... why have 540 lines, when you can have 720 lines.

Erik · 05-11-2009, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by fejker

I agree with dave sz ... why have 540 lines, when you can have 720 lines.

Because you get 1920 vertical lines instead of 1280, probably. 1080i is actually higher resolution/more data per frame than 720p.

**ManuH** · 05-11-2009, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by thibs

Y
According to KMP which is an extremely reliable source, ist-D is SAFOX VIII and K20D is SAFOX VIII.

I don't think we should worry about the marketing names. It reminds me how some people are impressed by a version change in the Digic processor. Wow it has Digic IV. Yeah, so what? Pentax could just change one little thing and market it SAFOX X super or whatever. Or change a lot of things and still call it SAFOX VIII. But I don't care, it's the end result that is really important.

illdefined · 05-11-2009, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by ManuH

I don't think we should worry about the marketing names. It reminds me how some people are impressed by a version change in the Digic processor. Wow it has Digic IV. Yeah, so what? Pentax could just change one little thing and market it SAFOX X super or whatever. Or change a lot of things and still call it SAFOX VIII. But I don't care, it's the end result that is really important.

the worry is why aren't they marketing it as an improvement, is it not different/better enough for even a roman numeral change? if they spent a lot of time on this feature, the engineers should want the marketing team to reflect that in some fashion or another.

i think the DIGICs were actually newer/better chips with real improvements, or at least kept the same performance as the previous DIGIC but with higher MP counts (and therefore more data)

falconeye · 05-11-2009, 03:44 PM

Are we allowed to discuss anything during the wait?

Trend Pentax vs. Olympus for 2008

Flickr Trends

Red is Pentax ...
And this was before the K-7 rumors emerged ...

Red · 05-11-2009, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by fejker

I agree with dave sz ... why have 540 lines, when you can have 720 lines.

1080i does have 1080 lines of resolution it just displays 540 at a time, first frame odd lines 1 thru 1079, second frame even lines 2 thru 1080 but at a speed fast enough for you to see all 1080 lines at the same time. Although that is just on a CRT TV.

No plasma, DLP, LED, LCD TVs/Projectors will display an interlaced video source, it will always convert to the native, progressive resolution. So if it has 1080 lines of resolution, it will display 1080p.

nosnoop · 05-11-2009, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by illdefined

the worry is why aren't they marketing it as an improvement, is it not different/better enough for even a roman numeral change?

Can we perhaps postpone the worry part until the actual specs is out?

05-11-2009, 10:39 AM	#2298
Torphoto Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Trinidad W.I. Photos: Gallery Posts: 612	Originally posted by ryan s Is not the "1080" resolution the same number, no matter the way it's played back? I'd rather have a solid 720p cause honestly...out of all the people bitchin here, how many of you reallllllllly have displays that can do 1080 or have clients that would want a vid in 1080? My TV "only" goes up to 720p but I get some broadcasts in 1080i My sony bravia supports 1080P so does my Samsung monitor for my tower. I have not had a client ask for 1080P yet as most do not have bluray players to deliver the media BUT I do render video to 1080P and show it on my bluray player and they are wow'ed by it. Irony is most time I have to re-render the video to standard SD and deliver it on a mini dv tape. I for one would be VERY happy if the K-7 did full 1080p video, tho solid 720P can easily be upconverted to 1080i or even 1080p and if the IQ is good to begin with hold it's own. I know there are several competing arguments about 1080p vs 1080i vs 720p but I can tell you that IF you have a large ( note the large parts ) 42" or larger true 1080p display you can see the difference between 720P and 1080p, 1080i and 1080P are much more difficult to distinguish as is upscaled 720P from a pristine source. The reason for this is many supposed HD consumer camcorders only deliver 400-600 or so lines or "REAL" resolution vertically if that much. Compare that to the Canon A1 semi pro camcorder that in 1080i delivers close to 1000 lines, the difference is quite obvious when seen. Last edited by Torphoto; 05-11-2009 at 10:46 AM.

05-11-2009, 03:44 PM	#2308
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Trend Pentax vs. Olympus for 2008 Are we allowed to discuss anything during the wait? Trend Pentax vs. Olympus for 2008 Flickr Trends Red is Pentax ... And this was before the K-7 rumors emerged ... Last edited by falconeye; 06-15-2011 at 05:28 AM.

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05-11-2009, 10:01 AM	#2296
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	DL2 has 5 AF points.

05-11-2009, 10:14 AM	#2297
sveinmb Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 127	Originally posted by ogl DL2 has 5 AF points. I'm pretty sure this reminds every Norwegian (and perhaps Swedish) guy here of this: Wesensteen - Hos tannlegen

05-11-2009, 10:48 AM	#2299
Jesus Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sedona Az Posts: 216	Testing....................................

05-11-2009, 10:54 AM	#2300
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by ogl D90 has weak video modes, no WR and SR and it's camera a bit lower class than K-7. But, in some aspects close. I swear I read a comment by you in one of these thread saying it matches the D300/A700 class cameras and is a bit above them in some areas.

05-11-2009, 11:03 AM	#2301
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by thibs Take the ist-dL then, 3 AF points. Doesn't change anything to the argument. So what now ? we're trying to tell what makes the difference between versions of SAFOX. if its been version VIII since those days, and both the K20 and Km have "VIII" then its not by AF point but something else. if the AF hardware in the K-7 has changed, why is it still being reported as 'VII'. if its purely software differences, then why is it still 'VIII' since its surely been changed much since its inception. more importantly, why wouldn't the K20 inherit the purported 'much better AF' of the K-7 if thats the case. just trying to get a sense of what to expect and how much of the hype we're hearing is just that hype.

05-11-2009, 11:52 AM	#2302
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by illdefined we're trying to tell what makes the difference between versions of SAFOX. if its been version VIII since those days, and both the K20 and Km have "VIII" then its not by AF point but something else. if the AF hardware in the K-7 has changed, why is it still being reported as 'VII'. if its purely software differences, then why is it still 'VIII' since its surely been changed much since its inception. more importantly, why wouldn't the K20 inherit the purported 'much better AF' of the K-7 if thats the case. just trying to get a sense of what to expect and how much of the hype we're hearing is just that hype. Yes I know what you try to do, no objection. Thought you were objecting against the validity of my point. Sorry. According to KMP which is an extremely reliable source, ist-D is SAFOX VIII and K20D is SAFOX VIII. Seems clear to me. Well maybe not that much. Even if the base system is the same, number of AF points differs (you know that), software can differs (algorithms...), but motor strength as well. Example, Z1 is known to be the fastest Pentax AF produced until now. But only one narrow AF point. So earlier AF systems can be faster, less complex but beter motor.

05-11-2009, 12:06 PM	#2303
dave sz Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: carpentersville, IL Posts: 693	Originally posted by Torphoto tho solid 720P can easily be upconverted to 1080i why would you do that when 720p is higher quality than 1080i? I'll take 720 progressive over 1080 interlaced anyday...

05-11-2009, 01:11 PM	#2304
fejker Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Slovenia Photos: Gallery Posts: 258	I agree with dave sz ... why have 540 lines, when you can have 720 lines.

05-11-2009, 03:25 PM	#2305
Erik Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Umeå, Sweden Posts: 755	Originally posted by fejker I agree with dave sz ... why have 540 lines, when you can have 720 lines. Because you get 1920 vertical lines instead of 1280, probably. 1080i is actually higher resolution/more data per frame than 720p.

05-11-2009, 03:25 PM	#2306
ManuH Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,249	Originally posted by thibs Y According to KMP which is an extremely reliable source, ist-D is SAFOX VIII and K20D is SAFOX VIII. I don't think we should worry about the marketing names. It reminds me how some people are impressed by a version change in the Digic processor. Wow it has Digic IV. Yeah, so what? Pentax could just change one little thing and market it SAFOX X super or whatever. Or change a lot of things and still call it SAFOX VIII. But I don't care, it's the end result that is really important.

05-11-2009, 03:35 PM	#2307
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by ManuH I don't think we should worry about the marketing names. It reminds me how some people are impressed by a version change in the Digic processor. Wow it has Digic IV. Yeah, so what? Pentax could just change one little thing and market it SAFOX X super or whatever. Or change a lot of things and still call it SAFOX VIII. But I don't care, it's the end result that is really important. the worry is why aren't they marketing it as an improvement, is it not different/better enough for even a roman numeral change? if they spent a lot of time on this feature, the engineers should want the marketing team to reflect that in some fashion or another. i think the DIGICs were actually newer/better chips with real improvements, or at least kept the same performance as the previous DIGIC but with higher MP counts (and therefore more data)

05-11-2009, 04:19 PM	#2309
Red Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Suwanee, GA USA Posts: 153	Originally posted by fejker I agree with dave sz ... why have 540 lines, when you can have 720 lines. 1080i does have 1080 lines of resolution it just displays 540 at a time, first frame odd lines 1 thru 1079, second frame even lines 2 thru 1080 but at a speed fast enough for you to see all 1080 lines at the same time. Although that is just on a CRT TV. No plasma, DLP, LED, LCD TVs/Projectors will display an interlaced video source, it will always convert to the native, progressive resolution. So if it has 1080 lines of resolution, it will display 1080p.

05-11-2009, 04:20 PM	#2310
nosnoop Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,299	Originally posted by illdefined the worry is why aren't they marketing it as an improvement, is it not different/better enough for even a roman numeral change? Can we perhaps postpone the worry part until the actual specs is out?