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05-11-2009, 10:01 AM   #2296
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DL2 has 5 AF points.

05-11-2009, 10:14 AM   #2297
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DL2 has 5 AF points.
I'm pretty sure this reminds every Norwegian (and perhaps Swedish) guy here of this: Wesensteen - Hos tannlegen
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QuoteOriginally posted by ryan s Quote
Is not the "1080" resolution the same number, no matter the way it's played back?

I'd rather have a solid 720p cause honestly...out of all the people bitchin here, how many of you reallllllllly have displays that can do 1080 or have clients that would want a vid in 1080?

My TV "only" goes up to 720p but I get some broadcasts in 1080i
My sony bravia supports 1080P so does my Samsung monitor for my tower. I have not had a client ask for 1080P yet as most do not have bluray players to deliver the media BUT I do render video to 1080P and show it on my bluray player and they are wow'ed by it. Irony is most time I have to re-render the video to standard SD and deliver it on a mini dv tape.

I for one would be VERY happy if the K-7 did full 1080p video, tho solid 720P can easily be upconverted to 1080i or even 1080p and if the IQ is good to begin with hold it's own.

I know there are several competing arguments about 1080p vs 1080i vs 720p but I can tell you that IF you have a large ( note the large parts ) 42" or larger true 1080p display you can see the difference between 720P and 1080p, 1080i and 1080P are much more difficult to distinguish as is upscaled 720P from a pristine source. The reason for this is many supposed HD consumer camcorders only deliver 400-600 or so lines or "REAL" resolution vertically if that much. Compare that to the Canon A1 semi pro camcorder that in 1080i delivers close to 1000 lines, the difference is quite obvious when seen.

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Testing....................................

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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
D90 has weak video modes, no WR and SR and it's camera a bit lower class than K-7.
But, in some aspects close.
I swear I read a comment by you in one of these thread saying it matches the D300/A700 class cameras and is a bit above them in some areas.
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
Take the ist-dL then, 3 AF points. Doesn't change anything to the argument. So what now ?
we're trying to tell what makes the difference between versions of SAFOX. if its been version VIII since those days, and both the K20 and Km have "VIII" then its not by AF point but something else.

if the AF hardware in the K-7 has changed, why is it still being reported as 'VII'. if its purely software differences, then why is it still 'VIII' since its surely been changed much since its inception. more importantly, why wouldn't the K20 inherit the purported 'much better AF' of the K-7 if thats the case.

just trying to get a sense of what to expect and how much of the hype we're hearing is just that hype.
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QuoteOriginally posted by illdefined Quote
we're trying to tell what makes the difference between versions of SAFOX. if its been version VIII since those days, and both the K20 and Km have "VIII" then its not by AF point but something else.

if the AF hardware in the K-7 has changed, why is it still being reported as 'VII'. if its purely software differences, then why is it still 'VIII' since its surely been changed much since its inception. more importantly, why wouldn't the K20 inherit the purported 'much better AF' of the K-7 if thats the case.

just trying to get a sense of what to expect and how much of the hype we're hearing is just that hype.
Yes I know what you try to do, no objection. Thought you were objecting against the validity of my point. Sorry.

According to KMP which is an extremely reliable source, ist-D is SAFOX VIII and K20D is SAFOX VIII.
Seems clear to me. Well maybe not that much. Even if the base system is the same, number of AF points differs (you know that), software can differs (algorithms...), but motor strength as well.

Example, Z1 is known to be the fastest Pentax AF produced until now. But only one narrow AF point. So earlier AF systems can be faster, less complex but beter motor.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Torphoto Quote

tho solid 720P can easily be upconverted to 1080i
why would you do that when 720p is higher quality than 1080i? I'll take 720 progressive over 1080 interlaced anyday...

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I agree with dave sz ... why have 540 lines, when you can have 720 lines.
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QuoteOriginally posted by fejker Quote
I agree with dave sz ... why have 540 lines, when you can have 720 lines.
Because you get 1920 vertical lines instead of 1280, probably. 1080i is actually higher resolution/more data per frame than 720p.
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
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According to KMP which is an extremely reliable source, ist-D is SAFOX VIII and K20D is SAFOX VIII.
I don't think we should worry about the marketing names. It reminds me how some people are impressed by a version change in the Digic processor. Wow it has Digic IV. Yeah, so what? Pentax could just change one little thing and market it SAFOX X super or whatever. Or change a lot of things and still call it SAFOX VIII. But I don't care, it's the end result that is really important.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ManuH Quote
I don't think we should worry about the marketing names. It reminds me how some people are impressed by a version change in the Digic processor. Wow it has Digic IV. Yeah, so what? Pentax could just change one little thing and market it SAFOX X super or whatever. Or change a lot of things and still call it SAFOX VIII. But I don't care, it's the end result that is really important.
the worry is why aren't they marketing it as an improvement, is it not different/better enough for even a roman numeral change? if they spent a lot of time on this feature, the engineers should want the marketing team to reflect that in some fashion or another.

i think the DIGICs were actually newer/better chips with real improvements, or at least kept the same performance as the previous DIGIC but with higher MP counts (and therefore more data)
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QuoteOriginally posted by fejker Quote
I agree with dave sz ... why have 540 lines, when you can have 720 lines.

1080i does have 1080 lines of resolution it just displays 540 at a time, first frame odd lines 1 thru 1079, second frame even lines 2 thru 1080 but at a speed fast enough for you to see all 1080 lines at the same time. Although that is just on a CRT TV.

No plasma, DLP, LED, LCD TVs/Projectors will display an interlaced video source, it will always convert to the native, progressive resolution. So if it has 1080 lines of resolution, it will display 1080p.
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QuoteOriginally posted by illdefined Quote
the worry is why aren't they marketing it as an improvement, is it not different/better enough for even a roman numeral change?
Can we perhaps postpone the worry part until the actual specs is out?
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