is this pic of K30D?

emr · 05-13-2009, 12:20 PM

Om81, your signature suggests you know of a Russian speaking forum. If you insist on posting in Russian, perhaps that's the place to do it.

RaduA · 05-13-2009, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by emr

Om81, your signature suggests you know of a Russian speaking forum. If you insist on posting in Russian, perhaps that's the place to do it.

Emr, please don't take away the 15 minutes of fame from this guy ... he like a lot of others on this forum knows the specs of the K-7 but neither has the guts to make them public nor the decency to shut up. He wants YOU to know that he knows ... can't you indulge him? And about the Russian writings so common here the fault is not theirs but of the mods who allowed this way too much. Of course now we'll have some witty, sarcastic or pain rude comments in Russian because I *dared* to say all the above. Sic transit gloria forum!

Radu

Art Vandelay II · 05-13-2009, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by PentaxPoke

So if I am thinking about this properly, if the K-7 has 1.0x magnification and 95% FOV, that would mean the physical size of the viewfinder is at least 5% larger? This is not like adding a viewfinder loop which magnifies the image but reduces FOV. Am I thinking about this correctly?

RiceHigh will be happy to explain this. I believe he wrote an entire article about it

McKajVah · 05-13-2009, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by RaduA

Emr, please don't take away the 15 minutes of fame from this guy ... he like a lot of others on this forum knows the specs of the K-7 but neither has the guts to make them public nor the decency to shut up. He wants YOU to know that he knows ...
Radu

Yeah... and we begg and cry for more info every time.

Mats · 05-13-2009, 01:15 PM

Looking at the rear of K-7 makes me wonder how to select AF sensor, i assume that the AF button doubles as a joystick. That would be a really nice HMI, use joystick to select AF sensor and push it in to activate AF.
/Mats

zipser · 05-13-2009, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Mats

Looking at the rear of K-7 makes me wonder how to select AF sensor, i assume that the AF button doubles as a joystick. That would be a really nice HMI, use joystick to select AF sensor and push it in to activate AF.
/Mats

No. The OK button has 2 functions and changes wb,iso,flash,drive buttons in arrows. If you select AF Select and press OK, then you can choose points with those arrows. i.e. almost the same like in k20 but you have to press ok before choosing points

RBellavance · 05-13-2009, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by zipser

No. The OK button has 2 functions and changes wb,iso,flash,drive buttons in arrows. If you select AF Select and press OK, then you can choose points with those arrows. i.e. almost the same like in k20 but you have to press ok before choosing points

This would be Very Bad, unless the "AF point selection" can somehow be made the default.

Last edited by RBellavance; 05-13-2009 at 01:31 PM.

**ManuH** · 05-13-2009, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by zipser

i.e. almost the same like in k20 but you have to press ok before choosing points

Awful from an usability viewpoint, I select my points all the time.

illdefined · 05-13-2009, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by zipser

No. The OK button has 2 functions and changes wb,iso,flash,drive buttons in arrows. If you select AF Select and press OK, then you can choose points with those arrows. i.e. almost the same like in k20 but you have to press ok before choosing points

thats actually kind of handy, as my AF points would often move by themselves in carrying and handling

Ishpuini · 05-13-2009, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by ManuH

Awful from an usability viewpoint, I select my points all the time.

I tend to agree, but probably I could get used to it fairly quickly. Only problem I can see is my intention to keep the K20D as an alternate body, which would have me push the OK button without reason on the K20D (assuming I would use the K-7 more).

If pressing the OK button could wake up the camera, that would solve a lot. Now I always have to half press the shutter release to wake it up, so that's an extra button to push before AF point selection anyway...

Wim

illdefined · 05-13-2009, 01:39 PM

i still see space on the back for an SR switch...

lol101 · 05-13-2009, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay II

Boo; I hope he's wrong about that. I was hoping for greater than 1x magnification and better than 95% coverage. 1X should still make it the largest APS-C view finder I know of, but that still won't put it quite in the ballpark of FF VF's.

Quick'n'dirty comparison with K20D (using the flash hotshoe as a reference length) shows no discernible differences as to VF exit pupil.

Furthermore, the reduction in size consequences is also to get the rear controls (e-dial, green button and AF button) closer to the VF: bad news for me since I am left-eyed, chances are the controls will play hide and seek under my nose...

Last question, what is the right most button on the 4 way pad doing? I really doesn't look like a drive selector...?

Roberts · 05-13-2009, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by RBellavance

This would be Very Bad, unless the "AF point selection" can somehow be made the default.

That would be good if one can switch between two modes - one mode where arrow buttons work as wb, drive and other function buttons (as labeled on camera) and other mode where arrow buttons work for switching between focus points. And way to switch between modes would be, for example, by pushing and holding Ok button for one or two seconds.

emr · 05-13-2009, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by lol101

Quick'n'dirty comparison with K20D...

Heck, it is quite a bit smaller than a K20D. I wonder if it is too small for a man's hands.

Maffer · 05-13-2009, 01:56 PM

Too small :/ I can only get 4 fingers on K20D without the grip. This would leave it at 3.5 fingers. So folks with large shovel hands will need the grip to be able to hold this.

05-13-2009, 01:44 PM	#2562
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by Art Vandelay II Boo; I hope he's wrong about that. I was hoping for greater than 1x magnification and better than 95% coverage. 1X should still make it the largest APS-C view finder I know of, but that still won't put it quite in the ballpark of FF VF's. Quick'n'dirty comparison with K20D (using the flash hotshoe as a reference length) shows no discernible differences as to VF exit pupil. Furthermore, the reduction in size consequences is also to get the rear controls (e-dial, green button and AF button) closer to the VF: bad news for me since I am left-eyed, chances are the controls will play hide and seek under my nose... Last question, what is the right most button on the 4 way pad doing? I really doesn't look like a drive selector...? Attached Images

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05-13-2009, 12:20 PM	#2551
emr Guest	Om81, your signature suggests you know of a Russian speaking forum. If you insist on posting in Russian, perhaps that's the place to do it.

05-13-2009, 12:42 PM	#2552
RaduA Guest	Originally posted by emr Om81, your signature suggests you know of a Russian speaking forum. If you insist on posting in Russian, perhaps that's the place to do it. Emr, please don't take away the 15 minutes of fame from this guy ... he like a lot of others on this forum knows the specs of the K-7 but neither has the guts to make them public nor the decency to shut up. He wants YOU to know that he knows ... can't you indulge him? And about the Russian writings so common here the fault is not theirs but of the mods who allowed this way too much. Of course now we'll have some witty, sarcastic or pain rude comments in Russian because I dared to say all the above. Sic transit gloria forum! Radu

05-13-2009, 01:11 PM	#2553
Art Vandelay II Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 886	Originally posted by PentaxPoke So if I am thinking about this properly, if the K-7 has 1.0x magnification and 95% FOV, that would mean the physical size of the viewfinder is at least 5% larger? This is not like adding a viewfinder loop which magnifies the image but reduces FOV. Am I thinking about this correctly? RiceHigh will be happy to explain this. I believe he wrote an entire article about it

05-13-2009, 01:13 PM	#2554
McKajVah Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 26	Originally posted by RaduA Emr, please don't take away the 15 minutes of fame from this guy ... he like a lot of others on this forum knows the specs of the K-7 but neither has the guts to make them public nor the decency to shut up. He wants YOU to know that he knows ... Radu Yeah... and we begg and cry for more info every time.

05-13-2009, 01:15 PM	#2555
Mats Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 60	Looking at the rear of K-7 makes me wonder how to select AF sensor, i assume that the AF button doubles as a joystick. That would be a really nice HMI, use joystick to select AF sensor and push it in to activate AF. /Mats

05-13-2009, 01:20 PM	#2556
zipser New Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: World Posts: 13	Originally posted by Mats Looking at the rear of K-7 makes me wonder how to select AF sensor, i assume that the AF button doubles as a joystick. That would be a really nice HMI, use joystick to select AF sensor and push it in to activate AF. /Mats No. The OK button has 2 functions and changes wb,iso,flash,drive buttons in arrows. If you select AF Select and press OK, then you can choose points with those arrows. i.e. almost the same like in k20 but you have to press ok before choosing points

05-13-2009, 01:24 PM	#2557
RBellavance Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Near Montréal, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,716	Originally posted by zipser No. The OK button has 2 functions and changes wb,iso,flash,drive buttons in arrows. If you select AF Select and press OK, then you can choose points with those arrows. i.e. almost the same like in k20 but you have to press ok before choosing points This would be Very Bad, unless the "AF point selection" can somehow be made the default. Last edited by RBellavance; 05-13-2009 at 01:31 PM.

05-13-2009, 01:27 PM	#2558
ManuH Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,249	Originally posted by zipser i.e. almost the same like in k20 but you have to press ok before choosing points Awful from an usability viewpoint, I select my points all the time.

05-13-2009, 01:36 PM	#2559
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by zipser No. The OK button has 2 functions and changes wb,iso,flash,drive buttons in arrows. If you select AF Select and press OK, then you can choose points with those arrows. i.e. almost the same like in k20 but you have to press ok before choosing points thats actually kind of handy, as my AF points would often move by themselves in carrying and handling

05-13-2009, 01:36 PM	#2560
Ishpuini Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,727	Originally posted by ManuH Awful from an usability viewpoint, I select my points all the time. I tend to agree, but probably I could get used to it fairly quickly. Only problem I can see is my intention to keep the K20D as an alternate body, which would have me push the OK button without reason on the K20D (assuming I would use the K-7 more). If pressing the OK button could wake up the camera, that would solve a lot. Now I always have to half press the shutter release to wake it up, so that's an extra button to push before AF point selection anyway... Wim

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05-13-2009, 01:39 PM	#2561
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	i still see space on the back for an SR switch...

05-13-2009, 01:45 PM	#2563
Roberts Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Latvia Photos: Gallery Posts: 127	Originally posted by RBellavance This would be Very Bad, unless the "AF point selection" can somehow be made the default. That would be good if one can switch between two modes - one mode where arrow buttons work as wb, drive and other function buttons (as labeled on camera) and other mode where arrow buttons work for switching between focus points. And way to switch between modes would be, for example, by pushing and holding Ok button for one or two seconds.

05-13-2009, 01:47 PM	#2564
emr Guest	Originally posted by lol101 Quick'n'dirty comparison with K20D... Heck, it is quite a bit smaller than a K20D. I wonder if it is too small for a man's hands.

05-13-2009, 01:56 PM	#2565
Maffer Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 308	Too small :/ I can only get 4 fingers on K20D without the grip. This would leave it at 3.5 fingers. So folks with large shovel hands will need the grip to be able to hold this.