is this pic of K30D?

Parallax · 04-20-2009, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

.............................It will have all the updated features through, improved AF, hopefully improved metering, video feature and practically usable LiveView with all those standard LV features.
The body's appearance and design looks promising. Let's see what will happen!

Those are nice, positve, things to say about Pentax. Who are you, and what have you done with RiceHigh?

dopeytree · 04-20-2009, 08:20 AM

All I can say is that I'm not paying €1500 unless the autofocus is much better!, i.e on a Nikon level (51 points) and has a 1x viewfinder however I'm very interested in this new camera!

I guess I'm looking for a Nikon d700 / Canon 5d MK II kind of level camera. I wish Pentax would release details so I can start planing.

I'd also like autofocus during HD video and external sound input. I can't wait for videoing with my old manual f1.7 and then playing with my DA* 50-135mm f/2.8 and seeing what videoing at 18mm is like on the kit lens.

I hope this camera answers my dreams... I've come along way with pentax starting with the *ist DL a about 5 years ago and then the K10D which I still have, I borrowed a k20d last year from Pentax UK and the new prime DA* lens to play with, which was awesome but I thought I'd wait for a better camera and start investing in DA* glass which I'm doing. I'm off to uni in Sept to study Press & Editorial Photography and will need a more pro spec camera i.e pc sync socket, 1x viewfinder, better autofocus, and better high iso (no banding

as I am hoping to carry on working but with bigger clients magazine and papers and bigger bands.

I can't wait for this beast to be unleashed! haha

ogl · 04-20-2009, 08:21 AM

The first in the world FF camera under 1500 euro.

thibs · 04-20-2009, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by dopeytree

I'd also like autofocus during HD video and external sound input.

AF video would be cool, external microphone IMO should be pretty easy to implement if Video is implemented so I guess this one should indeed be included.

thibs · 04-20-2009, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

Yes, exactly.
Tekade is pretty serious and they do this to build a priority shipping list from early preorders (which can be cancelled anyway).
Their price (1500€) is a price Tekade is already able to promise delivery for. The actual price they will ship preorders will (most likely) be lower than this. They charge credit card the day of delivery only

I know Tekade is serious store, they known for that. My point was that the price is a guestimate and you say, probably a max price rather than a realistic price.

lol101 · 04-20-2009, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

Yes, exactly.
Tekade is pretty serious and they do this to build a priority shipping list from early preorders (which can be cancelled anyway).
Their price (1500€) is a price Tekade is already able to promise delivery for. The actual price they will ship preorders will (most likely) be lower than this. They charge credit card the day of delivery only

I expect the price to be more in the €1299 MSRP body only (€1399 with 18-55): that would be in-line with the positioning of the new cam + the price rise that has been affecting all goods from Japan these days.

€1500 body only seems a bit high, except if it really delivers in terms of specs (100% finder +6-8fps +new high precision/velocity AF + 1/8000s X-1/250s shutter + 1080p video and state of the art LV) but franckly I don't think it will.

I expect more like 4/4,5fps, some AF tweaks, maybe a higher magnification VF (that would really be awesome), and still a 1/4000s X-1/180s shutter and 720p video with adequate LV.

Coupled to our usual nice ergonomics, weathersealing and SR, this is already quite some camera we would be looking at, especially if the fit and finish is "quality oriented".

johannol · 04-20-2009, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

Those are nice, positve, things to say about Pentax. Who are you, and what have you done with RiceHigh?

It's only to be more disappointed after !

Enc0der · 04-20-2009, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by thibs

huh people want a camera to suit Limited lenses and cry because it is too expensive althoughthey dunno even what's in.

Is that pathetic? Do you really think you can have a 5dmk2 in shape and bult of an MX and priced like a K-m?

I never said that I want a "5dmk2" camera that will suit limited lenses etc' (to be honest I'm not even sure what this means), but if the camera is priced HIGHER THAN THE NIKON D300, this message describes my feelings perfectly:

Originally posted by Caat

At current exhange rates thats £1332. The D300 is currently available body only for £1099. Assuming that the German site is quoting a body only price then this camera better be damned good.

I was expecting about £900-£1000 launch. If its aiming to be even more expensive than the D300* then it will have to have:

- A new, overhauled, excellent AF system
- At least 5fps
- 1.0x viewfinder
- 720p video with audio
- 1/8000 shutter
- 2.7 or 3.0 inch VGA res screen

Essentially the image quality of the K20D hasn't got anything to worry about in a comparison to the D300 so that needs less improvement but the camera side needs a big overhaul to come up to D300 standards.

* regardless of the fact that the D300 has been out for ages now

p.s.
If the camera will indeed outcome (or even get even) with the D300, I will definitely get one even for that MSRP price.
But to be completely honest, I doubt that.

janneman · 04-20-2009, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by dopeytree

All I can say is that I'm not paying €1500 unless the autofocus is much better!, i.e on a Nikon level (51 points)

51 points? I think the number of AF points we have now is adequate, maybe add a few but if you have 51 and you want to change from one point to the other, on the other side you'll be pressing buttons for ages if you have 51 point...
By the way, 51 crappy points make for crappy focus, it only takes a few good ones to have good AF.

Gus · 04-20-2009, 08:33 AM

We can pretty much expect this to be an APS-C, but I'm hoping for much lower noise levels (similar to the D3x with its new filter technology).

Improved AF and LiveView would definitely be welcome.

Gus · 04-20-2009, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by janneman

51 points? I think the number of AF points we have now is adequate, maybe add a few but if you have 51 and you want to change from one point to the other, on the other side you'll be pressing buttons for ages if you have 51 point...
By the way, 51 crappy points make for crappy focus, it only takes a few good ones to have good AF.

Yep, I think Nikon's 51 is a bit of an overkill, especially when you consider how densely packed all of these points are around the center (although its LiveView mode will focus anywhere within the frame).

Enc0der · 04-20-2009, 08:38 AM

A (much more) improved AF is basically a must... This is by far the weakest side of Pentax for now. AF Speed and Burst mode speed.

emr · 04-20-2009, 08:39 AM

1300-1500€ and APS-C? Hopefully that's not the case because IMHO a camera like that would be doomed today.

Asahiflex · 04-20-2009, 08:42 AM

Re: this Ivyjopy figure. I have checked out his family shots and other photos and noticed that most of the photos contain a tag line with the camera and lens used. In his family shots he did not do that. I'm pretty convinced that all of those shots were made with the new Pentax

lol101 · 04-20-2009, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by emr

1300-1500€ and APS-C? Hopefully that's not the case because IMHO a camera like that would be doomed today.

Well, you can basically bet anything you want it won't be much below 1300€ MSRP since it's the current price for all cameras in its class (look at the launch price of the 50D and wait until you see the price tag attached to the future D400).

Best case scenario, you're looking at a 100€ price increase over the MSRP launch price of the K20 just because of the yen: there goes 1299€!

04-20-2009, 08:26 AM	#486
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by falconeye Yes, exactly. Tekade is pretty serious and they do this to build a priority shipping list from early preorders (which can be cancelled anyway). Their price (1500€) is a price Tekade is already able to promise delivery for. The actual price they will ship preorders will (most likely) be lower than this. They charge credit card the day of delivery only I expect the price to be more in the €1299 MSRP body only (€1399 with 18-55): that would be in-line with the positioning of the new cam + the price rise that has been affecting all goods from Japan these days. €1500 body only seems a bit high, except if it really delivers in terms of specs (100% finder +6-8fps +new high precision/velocity AF + 1/8000s X-1/250s shutter + 1080p video and state of the art LV) but franckly I don't think it will. I expect more like 4/4,5fps, some AF tweaks, maybe a higher magnification VF (that would really be awesome), and still a 1/4000s X-1/180s shutter and 720p video with adequate LV. Coupled to our usual nice ergonomics, weathersealing and SR, this is already quite some camera we would be looking at, especially if the fit and finish is "quality oriented". Last edited by lol101; 04-20-2009 at 08:39 AM.

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04-20-2009, 08:16 AM	#481
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by RiceHigh .............................It will have all the updated features through, improved AF, hopefully improved metering, video feature and practically usable LiveView with all those standard LV features. The body's appearance and design looks promising. Let's see what will happen! Those are nice, positve, things to say about Pentax. Who are you, and what have you done with RiceHigh?

04-20-2009, 08:20 AM	#482
dopeytree Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Somerset, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 619	All I can say is that I'm not paying €1500 unless the autofocus is much better!, i.e on a Nikon level (51 points) and has a 1x viewfinder however I'm very interested in this new camera! I guess I'm looking for a Nikon d700 / Canon 5d MK II kind of level camera. I wish Pentax would release details so I can start planing. I'd also like autofocus during HD video and external sound input. I can't wait for videoing with my old manual f1.7 and then playing with my DA* 50-135mm f/2.8 and seeing what videoing at 18mm is like on the kit lens. I hope this camera answers my dreams... I've come along way with pentax starting with the ist DL a about 5 years ago and then the K10D which I still have, I borrowed a k20d last year from Pentax UK and the new prime DA lens to play with, which was awesome but I thought I'd wait for a better camera and start investing in DA* glass which I'm doing. I'm off to uni in Sept to study Press & Editorial Photography and will need a more pro spec camera i.e pc sync socket, 1x viewfinder, better autofocus, and better high iso (no banding as I am hoping to carry on working but with bigger clients magazine and papers and bigger bands. I can't wait for this beast to be unleashed! haha

04-20-2009, 08:21 AM	#483
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	The first in the world FF camera under 1500 euro.

04-20-2009, 08:23 AM	#484
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by dopeytree I'd also like autofocus during HD video and external sound input. AF video would be cool, external microphone IMO should be pretty easy to implement if Video is implemented so I guess this one should indeed be included.

04-20-2009, 08:24 AM	#485
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by falconeye Yes, exactly. Tekade is pretty serious and they do this to build a priority shipping list from early preorders (which can be cancelled anyway). Their price (1500€) is a price Tekade is already able to promise delivery for. The actual price they will ship preorders will (most likely) be lower than this. They charge credit card the day of delivery only I know Tekade is serious store, they known for that. My point was that the price is a guestimate and you say, probably a max price rather than a realistic price.

04-20-2009, 08:27 AM	#487
johannol New Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: France / Brest Posts: 1	Originally posted by Parallax Those are nice, positve, things to say about Pentax. Who are you, and what have you done with RiceHigh? It's only to be more disappointed after !

04-20-2009, 08:30 AM	#488
Enc0der Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 107	Originally posted by thibs huh people want a camera to suit Limited lenses and cry because it is too expensive althoughthey dunno even what's in. Is that pathetic? Do you really think you can have a 5dmk2 in shape and bult of an MX and priced like a K-m? I never said that I want a "5dmk2" camera that will suit limited lenses etc' (to be honest I'm not even sure what this means), but if the camera is priced HIGHER THAN THE NIKON D300, this message describes my feelings perfectly: Originally posted by Caat At current exhange rates thats £1332. The D300 is currently available body only for £1099. Assuming that the German site is quoting a body only price then this camera better be damned good. I was expecting about £900-£1000 launch. If its aiming to be even more expensive than the D300* then it will have to have: - A new, overhauled, excellent AF system - At least 5fps - 1.0x viewfinder - 720p video with audio - 1/8000 shutter - 2.7 or 3.0 inch VGA res screen Essentially the image quality of the K20D hasn't got anything to worry about in a comparison to the D300 so that needs less improvement but the camera side needs a big overhaul to come up to D300 standards. * regardless of the fact that the D300 has been out for ages now p.s. If the camera will indeed outcome (or even get even) with the D300, I will definitely get one even for that MSRP price. But to be completely honest, I doubt that.

04-20-2009, 08:32 AM	#489
janneman Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 908	Originally posted by dopeytree All I can say is that I'm not paying €1500 unless the autofocus is much better!, i.e on a Nikon level (51 points) 51 points? I think the number of AF points we have now is adequate, maybe add a few but if you have 51 and you want to change from one point to the other, on the other side you'll be pressing buttons for ages if you have 51 point... By the way, 51 crappy points make for crappy focus, it only takes a few good ones to have good AF.

04-20-2009, 08:33 AM	#490
Gus Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 71	We can pretty much expect this to be an APS-C, but I'm hoping for much lower noise levels (similar to the D3x with its new filter technology). Improved AF and LiveView would definitely be welcome.

04-20-2009, 08:38 AM	#491
Gus Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 71	Originally posted by janneman 51 points? I think the number of AF points we have now is adequate, maybe add a few but if you have 51 and you want to change from one point to the other, on the other side you'll be pressing buttons for ages if you have 51 point... By the way, 51 crappy points make for crappy focus, it only takes a few good ones to have good AF. Yep, I think Nikon's 51 is a bit of an overkill, especially when you consider how densely packed all of these points are around the center (although its LiveView mode will focus anywhere within the frame).

04-20-2009, 08:38 AM	#492
Enc0der Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 107	A (much more) improved AF is basically a must... This is by far the weakest side of Pentax for now. AF Speed and Burst mode speed.

04-20-2009, 08:39 AM	#493
emr Guest	1300-1500€ and APS-C? Hopefully that's not the case because IMHO a camera like that would be doomed today.

04-20-2009, 08:42 AM	#494
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Re: this Ivyjopy figure. I have checked out his family shots and other photos and noticed that most of the photos contain a tag line with the camera and lens used. In his family shots he did not do that. I'm pretty convinced that all of those shots were made with the new Pentax

04-20-2009, 08:43 AM	#495
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by emr 1300-1500€ and APS-C? Hopefully that's not the case because IMHO a camera like that would be doomed today. Well, you can basically bet anything you want it won't be much below 1300€ MSRP since it's the current price for all cameras in its class (look at the launch price of the 50D and wait until you see the price tag attached to the future D400). Best case scenario, you're looking at a 100€ price increase over the MSRP launch price of the K20 just because of the yen: there goes 1299€!