is this pic of K30D?

tcdk · 04-29-2009, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by dopeytree

P.s for anyone interested here's some info on the codecs avi: Audio Video Interleave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and H.264: H.264/MPEG-4 AVC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Note the dates they were created.

Avi - 1992

H.264 - 2003

Enough said?

You are comparing pears and apples (not pun intended). mov and avi are multimedia container file formats.

H.264 is a compression codec.

It's like saying a V8 engine is better then a Bentley...

(anyway, I wonder if any video software will be included and if lightroom will soon support at least copying in video files as part of import)

Torphoto · 04-29-2009, 04:57 AM

Mpeg4 is also a tough codec to edit in hd, the other reason is loss, achd and mpeg4 are known for bad compression artifacts vs other formats. Avi would consume more space but it
Also easier to process, what I hope they do is allow the camera to record until the card is full or 1 hour which ever comes first. Well maybe at least 30 min of video like the 5dII

Only time will tell but I was looking at upgrading my panny dvc30 to hd this year, maybe I won't have to in a way, my rode video mic will fit the hotshoe easy.

falconeye · 04-29-2009, 04:58 AM

Originally posted by whatever7

I find nothing can handle qt very well

As others have said, you confuse a program (QT) with a media format.

MP4 / AVC aka H.264 (.mp4) is the current standard HD video format, as broadcast, as played by most current media boxes (or PS3

), BluRay, etc. pp.

It is also providing the best image quality at a given bitrate.

That Apple pioneered to support this format in their QT software doesn't make it less valuable. To the contrary.

Originally posted by dopeytree

How many people here even have a Full HD Screen (1920x1080) at home (TV's don't count!) for example mine's 1440x900

How can anybody NOT have a 1920 screen on their desk? They only cost $139 ...
The Dell Online Store: Build Your System

dopeytree · 04-29-2009, 05:14 AM

Originally posted by tcdk

You are comparing pears and apples (not pun intended). mov and avi are multimedia container file formats.

H.264 is a compression codec.

It's like saying a V8 engine is better then a Bentley...

(anyway, I wonder if any video software will be included and if lightroom will soon support at least copying in video files as part of import)

it all depends on what level of compression you use.

Originally posted by falconeye

As others have said, you confuse a program (QT) with a media format.

MP4 / AVC aka H.264 (.mp4) is the current standard HD video format, as broadcast, as played by most current media boxes (or PS3

), BluRay, etc. pp.

It is also providing the best image quality at a given bitrate.

That Apple pioneered to support this format in their QT software doesn't make it less valuable. To the contrary.

How can anybody NOT have a 1920 screen on their desk? They only cost $139 ...
The Dell Online Store: Build Your System

Sorry I meant laptops and I will get my hands on a decent external screen soon hopefully I'm hoping for a 24" or even 30"

Last edited by dopeytree; 04-29-2009 at 05:33 AM.

Edvinas · 04-29-2009, 05:19 AM

Originally posted by Torphoto

now someone also convince Pentax NOT to do mov files, we want avi

MOV is definitely better than AVI, however it is proprietary Apple format and lacks good support in non Mac OS X operating systems.

Matroska would be the best choice (open standard multimedia container), however most manufacturers are ignoring open/free standards and choosing proprietary closed formats...

dopeytree · 04-29-2009, 05:25 AM

Did you know quicktime it self can be used for cut and paste edits? it can also convert between nearly all of the video codecs? you may need quicktime pro for it to function but it works very well! it's also has an open image sequence function in which you pick the frame rate which is how I made these two videos using k10d:

YouTube - Strobes

YouTube - High Speed Photography

FYI The canon 5d mk II shoot video at:

1920 x 1080 (16:9) up to 12 mins (Quicktime 1080p H.264; 38.6 Mbits/sec)
• 640 x 480 (4:3) up to 24 mins (Quicktime 480p H.264; 17.3 Mbits/sec)
• Max file size 4 GB
• Quicktime MOV format (H.264 video, PCM sound)
• 30 fps

I don't think 38.6 Mbits/sec is going to have chunky artefacts eh?

Asahiflex · 04-29-2009, 05:27 AM

Didn't the Pentax Optios create movies in MOV format?

Edvinas · 04-29-2009, 05:28 AM

I have suspicion that many forum members already have K-7 photos

Interesting, who is going to post them first?

Vaikis_ · 04-29-2009, 05:31 AM

not me

unkabin · 04-29-2009, 05:35 AM

I've seen only one sketchy mention of flash. Still pttl. Such a disappointment. It's just such crap. I've heard enough about slivers of something light colored somewhere in the frame, or a reflection, or how concerned Pentax is about blown highlights. I recently shot my first event with a Pentax, and the flash metering is absolutely, positively subpar. I've shot events with both Canon and Sony. Both were far, far better.

Pentax, where is pttl II? This is not an extravagant request. This is meat and potatoes here.

Edvinas · 04-29-2009, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by Vaikis_

not me

Bet tu jas turi, ane?

frank · 04-29-2009, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by Edvinas

I have suspicion that many forum members already have K-7 photos

Interesting, who is going to post them first?

Guess you are one of them? Wanna be the first one

gazonk · 04-29-2009, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

Didn't the Pentax Optios create movies in MOV format?

Most record in MOV (i.e. my W10), but some (i.e. the A40) record in DIVX.

Vaikis_ · 04-29-2009, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by Edvinas

Bet tu jas turi, ane?

is kur ?

zinau tik tiek, kiek rusai is tuscio i kiaura pripilste

sorry, didn't recivied yet

Torphoto · 04-29-2009, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by dopeytree

Did you know quicktime it self can be used for cut and paste edits? it can also convert between nearly all of the video codecs? you may need quicktime pro for it to function but it works very well! it's also has an open image sequence function in which you pick the frame rate which is how I made these two videos using k10d:

YouTube - Strobes

YouTube - High Speed Photography

FYI The canon 5d mk II shoot video at:

1920 x 1080 (16:9) up to 12 mins (Quicktime 1080p H.264; 38.6 Mbits/sec)
• 640 x 480 (4:3) up to 24 mins (Quicktime 480p H.264; 17.3 Mbits/sec)
• Max file size 4 GB
• Quicktime MOV format (H.264 video, PCM sound)
• 30 fps

I don't think 38.6 Mbits/sec is going to have chunky artefacts eh?

Well we don't knw if the k7 will do 38 mps video now do we? They can also skip the 640x480 and give is 720x480 full sd at 25 mps as well :d

I wonder if the rear lcd will letter box in video mode tho.

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04-29-2009, 04:53 AM	#1381
tcdk Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 279	Originally posted by dopeytree P.s for anyone interested here's some info on the codecs avi: Audio Video Interleave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and H.264: H.264/MPEG-4 AVC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Note the dates they were created. Avi - 1992 H.264 - 2003 Enough said? You are comparing pears and apples (not pun intended). mov and avi are multimedia container file formats. H.264 is a compression codec. It's like saying a V8 engine is better then a Bentley... (anyway, I wonder if any video software will be included and if lightroom will soon support at least copying in video files as part of import)

04-29-2009, 04:57 AM	#1382
Torphoto Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Trinidad W.I. Photos: Gallery Posts: 612	Mpeg4 is also a tough codec to edit in hd, the other reason is loss, achd and mpeg4 are known for bad compression artifacts vs other formats. Avi would consume more space but it Also easier to process, what I hope they do is allow the camera to record until the card is full or 1 hour which ever comes first. Well maybe at least 30 min of video like the 5dII Only time will tell but I was looking at upgrading my panny dvc30 to hd this year, maybe I won't have to in a way, my rode video mic will fit the hotshoe easy.

04-29-2009, 04:58 AM	#1383
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by whatever7 I find nothing can handle qt very well As others have said, you confuse a program (QT) with a media format. MP4 / AVC aka H.264 (.mp4) is the current standard HD video format, as broadcast, as played by most current media boxes (or PS3 ), BluRay, etc. pp. It is also providing the best image quality at a given bitrate. That Apple pioneered to support this format in their QT software doesn't make it less valuable. To the contrary. Originally posted by dopeytree How many people here even have a Full HD Screen (1920x1080) at home (TV's don't count!) for example mine's 1440x900 How can anybody NOT have a 1920 screen on their desk? They only cost $139 ... The Dell Online Store: Build Your System

04-29-2009, 05:14 AM	#1384
dopeytree Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Somerset, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 619	Originally posted by tcdk You are comparing pears and apples (not pun intended). mov and avi are multimedia container file formats. H.264 is a compression codec. It's like saying a V8 engine is better then a Bentley... (anyway, I wonder if any video software will be included and if lightroom will soon support at least copying in video files as part of import) it all depends on what level of compression you use. Originally posted by falconeye As others have said, you confuse a program (QT) with a media format. MP4 / AVC aka H.264 (.mp4) is the current standard HD video format, as broadcast, as played by most current media boxes (or PS3 ), BluRay, etc. pp. It is also providing the best image quality at a given bitrate. That Apple pioneered to support this format in their QT software doesn't make it less valuable. To the contrary. How can anybody NOT have a 1920 screen on their desk? They only cost $139 ... The Dell Online Store: Build Your System Sorry I meant laptops and I will get my hands on a decent external screen soon hopefully I'm hoping for a 24" or even 30" Last edited by dopeytree; 04-29-2009 at 05:33 AM.

04-29-2009, 05:19 AM	#1385
Edvinas Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kaunas Posts: 1,458	Originally posted by Torphoto now someone also convince Pentax NOT to do mov files, we want avi MOV is definitely better than AVI, however it is proprietary Apple format and lacks good support in non Mac OS X operating systems. Matroska would be the best choice (open standard multimedia container), however most manufacturers are ignoring open/free standards and choosing proprietary closed formats...

04-29-2009, 05:25 AM	#1386
dopeytree Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Somerset, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 619	Did you know quicktime it self can be used for cut and paste edits? it can also convert between nearly all of the video codecs? you may need quicktime pro for it to function but it works very well! it's also has an open image sequence function in which you pick the frame rate which is how I made these two videos using k10d: YouTube - Strobes YouTube - High Speed Photography FYI The canon 5d mk II shoot video at: 1920 x 1080 (16:9) up to 12 mins (Quicktime 1080p H.264; 38.6 Mbits/sec) • 640 x 480 (4:3) up to 24 mins (Quicktime 480p H.264; 17.3 Mbits/sec) • Max file size 4 GB • Quicktime MOV format (H.264 video, PCM sound) • 30 fps I don't think 38.6 Mbits/sec is going to have chunky artefacts eh?

04-29-2009, 05:27 AM	#1387
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Didn't the Pentax Optios create movies in MOV format?

04-29-2009, 05:28 AM	#1388
Edvinas Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kaunas Posts: 1,458	I have suspicion that many forum members already have K-7 photos Interesting, who is going to post them first?

04-29-2009, 05:31 AM	#1389
Vaikis_ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 213	not me

04-29-2009, 05:35 AM	#1390
unkabin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Moorhead, MN Posts: 176	I've seen only one sketchy mention of flash. Still pttl. Such a disappointment. It's just such crap. I've heard enough about slivers of something light colored somewhere in the frame, or a reflection, or how concerned Pentax is about blown highlights. I recently shot my first event with a Pentax, and the flash metering is absolutely, positively subpar. I've shot events with both Canon and Sony. Both were far, far better. Pentax, where is pttl II? This is not an extravagant request. This is meat and potatoes here.

04-29-2009, 05:35 AM	#1391
Edvinas Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kaunas Posts: 1,458	Originally posted by Vaikis_ not me Bet tu jas turi, ane?

04-29-2009, 05:37 AM	#1392
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202	Originally posted by Edvinas I have suspicion that many forum members already have K-7 photos Interesting, who is going to post them first? Guess you are one of them? Wanna be the first one

04-29-2009, 05:43 AM	#1393
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Asahiflex Didn't the Pentax Optios create movies in MOV format? Most record in MOV (i.e. my W10), but some (i.e. the A40) record in DIVX.

04-29-2009, 05:50 AM	#1394
Vaikis_ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 213	Originally posted by Edvinas Bet tu jas turi, ane? is kur ? zinau tik tiek, kiek rusai is tuscio i kiaura pripilste sorry, didn't recivied yet

04-29-2009, 05:53 AM	#1395
Torphoto Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Trinidad W.I. Photos: Gallery Posts: 612	Originally posted by dopeytree Did you know quicktime it self can be used for cut and paste edits? it can also convert between nearly all of the video codecs? you may need quicktime pro for it to function but it works very well! it's also has an open image sequence function in which you pick the frame rate which is how I made these two videos using k10d: YouTube - Strobes YouTube - High Speed Photography FYI The canon 5d mk II shoot video at: 1920 x 1080 (16:9) up to 12 mins (Quicktime 1080p H.264; 38.6 Mbits/sec) • 640 x 480 (4:3) up to 24 mins (Quicktime 480p H.264; 17.3 Mbits/sec) • Max file size 4 GB • Quicktime MOV format (H.264 video, PCM sound) • 30 fps I don't think 38.6 Mbits/sec is going to have chunky artefacts eh? Well we don't knw if the k7 will do 38 mps video now do we? They can also skip the 640x480 and give is 720x480 full sd at 25 mps as well :d I wonder if the rear lcd will letter box in video mode tho.