Originally posted by ManuH "often" = not always. A tilt/swivel LCD can also be useful for those who don't want the LCD at all or when you want to protect it while in the bag.
For me I would give up fast fps (not often useful especially when AF-C is not able to follow) for an articulated LCD because my back would be relieved and I would look less funny when trying to get some angles. Here is an example:
I did it with my K-m without looking at the viewfinder, the camera was about 2 inches above the ground. With Liveview and an articulated LCD I could easily have composed the shot.
This is a sweet picture, and a good point. I think we’ll see Liveview and an articulated LCD in the close future. From what I’ve understood, some implementations have been less than ideal though.
Originally posted by Edvinas For you. For me tilt & swivel LCD is not important at all.
Yes, we all have different wishes, so there is bound to be some disappointment.
One thing I would like, is that I hope the K7 will have a built-in mechanical viewfinder shutter, so possible to block out light entering that way. I always loose those small ones that come with the camera.
Originally posted by ManuH Eye opener. As much as I'd like a D700, the size, price and lack of SR are deal breakers. But the size in particular is just too much IMHO. The K20D+grip is already at the limit of weight and size. Just like cars, I prefer them small and efficients. That's why I think the K-7 is good news.
The K7 sounds like good news to me as well, as sometimes I would like a DSLR around the size of the K-m. But still I would prefer sealing, and high-end functionality.
On a discussion at T.O.P. regarding size of Nikon D3, it was stated :
"Oh, on the shoot to carry ratio—just one hint: do not carry the D3 round your neck!! Yes, it's like a chainsaw if you do. The camera was designed to be carried in your hand(s), not round your neck. I usually carry the D3 as a walk-around camera in my hands and I never feel it. Trust me, it is so well designed for your hands that it feels like part of yourself. When you are not shooting, carry the camera in a backpack, not in a shoulder bag."
And Mike replied :
“I think Edwin's on to something here: how you carry a camera has a lot to do with your perception of the size and weight it should be. The D3 with a large zoom is at an uncomfortable transition point—just about too big for a neckstrap. It really does demand another kind of carrying strategy, like Edwin says. It's true that relatively more weight is more comfortable in a backpack, and I know from experience that carrying a camera in the hand all the time is in some ways more comfortable than having it dangling from a strap digging into your neck: I carried a heavy medium-format camera around D.C. for six months and never even owned a strap for it; it was always in one hand. Never bothered me. Of course it does tend to limit what else you can carry, and what else you do with your hands. But it's a good way to make a relatively heavy camera tolerable.
There's probably a "break" or transition point between that method of carrying and carrying with straps. My habit is to carry a camera on a strap hung from one shoulder, which militates for a certain size camera as being most comfortable and handy (and a certain size of lens, too—big lenses make cameras the wrong shape for carrying the camera from one shoulder, unless the lens is long enough to make the whole shebang hang downwards).”
The Online Photographer: Carrying Style Originally posted by lol101 Exactly what I thought...
But hey, if people really want to think that a FF is necessarily a Godzilla machine... why bother?
FF is not inherently bigger than APS-C but Canon and Nikon cameras are generally bigger than Pentax ones.
Just do the same comparison pic with a D300 and a K20...
That's exactly why I would love to see a Pentax FF: it wouldn't look like a D700/D3 anymore than a K7 is going to look like a D300.
I did not mean any negative notion against FF, just noting that it often brings some extra bulk and weight. Here is a picture returning the advantage to Canon :
But you're right. The day we see FF from Pentax, they might have a "better" form factor.
The K20 has a great feel, particularly with grip. But there are sometimes where I can really use the compactness that Pentax offers. So the K7 and then with a pancake, sounds really good.
Originally posted by Art Vandelay II If you're going to put a size comparo photo up and specifically mention lenses then you should probably find a pic with similar lenses. You have a 24-120mm on one and a 35mm prime on another. Mount the Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D on the D700 and it is much more manageable. And again, this is simply a difference in philosophy between Nikon and Pentax, it doesn't mean that FF cameras have to be as large as the the D700 (
the Sony A900 is already smaller for example).
I don't find the A900 much smaller than the other FF cameras :
(And they all weigh close to 1 kg)
Originally posted by Art Vandelay II Here is a diagram comparing the D700 to the APS-C D300:
Their APS-C camera is virtually the exact same size as their FF camera. I personally prefer larger cameras for every day shooting. Large cameras simply fit my hand better and feel nicer to me. I say who cares to metal vs composites vs carbon fiber vs wood debate. I don't care which material is the most effective/modern/renewable/economical. I just care which feels the best when I pick it up; and so far that has been magnesium bodied cameras to me. Pentax simply hasn't made a DSLR that feels as nice as either Oly E-3 or the Sony A900....hopefully the K7 will change that.
I think it's great that Pentax has chosen to make small cameras for people that prefer that, but so long as I'm going to have to carry a back pack anyway the size difference between the D700 and the K20D doesn't mean a thing to me.
Exactly when I'm carrying a backpack, like when mountaineering or hiking, is when I want a small, but high quality DSLR.
Originally posted by Art Vandelay II So give me the one that fits my hand and feels more solid any day of the week. The K7 may fill a nice niche though. So far every single magnesium bodied DSLR has been D300/D700/A900 size. That leaves people with smaller hands out in the cold if they want Canon Rebel size and Canon 50D build quality and features. The K7 can fill that niche. I just hope they can make a view finder to compete.
The thing that makes both the D700 & A900 look large in photos (I still think they are perfectly manageable in person) is that they both have huge honking prisms on top. But to me that makes them so beautiful I couldn't care less what the rest of the camera looks like, because I know that means once I put my eye up to the view finder I'm going to see an engulfing view. And again, to reiterate, that is the single biggest advantage 35mm offers. It's not the IQ, the resolution, the high ISO, the dynamic range, none of that; it's the view finder. It makes composing photos an easier and more enjoyable experience. It's very hard to look through an APS-C view finder after only a short test of a full frame camera at your local store.
I follow you most of the way. Actually I really like the VF of the Nikon D300. Best crop VF, IMO. The Olympus E3 disappointed me here.
But the picture of D700 and K20, shows an important aspect to me. With a K-series DSLR equipped with a pancake, I can throw in a large pocket. This is simply not possible with a FF cam.